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I like Leonard Fornette for our pick. We need a playmaker to help whoever our starting QB will be in 2017. When was the last time an opposing DC had to gameplan around one of our offensive players?
I hate the draft because the Jets normally F it up completely. I'm taking this off season off from following the Jets.
I don't know enough about most of the players to really form an opinion. Fournette looks like a good player so would be useful but as others have said - behind our OL he may not flourish.
I would like to see us invest in Offense for once in the first round as opposed to Defense!!
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I would like to see us invest in Offense for once in the first round as opposed to Defense!!
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- Ryan Ramczyk tackle Wisconsin but even if he enters the draft one of the Top 5 ahead of us would take him...
- As well rounded Dalvin Cook is, a top 6 selection may be too high for him...
- The best interior lineman Dan Feeney from Indiana is rated mid first but his versatility might vault his status higher...
- No quarterback this year should be selected in the Top 10, but we know that isn't how it works nowadays...
- This year like years past defensive players are climbing the boards: DE, CB, LB, are there but do we need any?
For me it comes down to two people unless Ramczyk declares; Reuben Foster, MLB Alabama & Dan Feeney, OG Indiana are our two needs... This is of course we lose Brian Winters to free agency and how they feel about Brent Qvale and/or Dakota Dozier taking over as starter... Also a young replacement for David Harris to pair up with Darron Lee... Ramczyk was the constant at left tackle for Wisconsin this year but looks like he may return to sew up his technique and resume with a second season at left tackle for the badgers...
Of course I would love to see Macc manipulate the draft and trade down once maybe twice to accumulate more second and third round selections to bolster our current core roster but unless a team is willing to jump up or make a substantial move for a prospect in this draft could be a stretch...
Some team is going to fall in love with Trubisky and take him top 5 because he's a QB and crap teams are desperate to find "the guy".
I'm pretty confident Macc wouldn't take him at 6. You've got evaluate Petty and Hackenberg to see what's there. As much as the o-line is a big priority, id love a big play offensive player on this team like Dalvin Cook, or a #1 type WR. I think it's time to move on from Marshall. Latest rumors are that he was a major cause of the discord in the locker room.
I'm pretty confident Macc wouldn't take him at 6. You've got evaluate Petty and Hackenberg to see what's there. As much as the o-line is a big priority, id love a big play offensive player on this team like Dalvin Cook, or a #1 type WR. I think it's time to move on from Marshall. Latest rumors are that he was a major cause of the discord in the locker room.
I'd be reluctant to go guard that early. For one, 6 is very early for a guard. But even if it wasn't, it is not the biggest need on the OL. Winters is legit, and Carpenter has not been bad. I would look LT first, then C.
I'm not opposed to taking Feeney. Hell, I played guard in college. But I wouldn't do it at #6. Later first, perhaps, but only if a legit LT was not available. Guard and RT, to me, are not the need positions on this OL right now.
As for defensive needs, of the three listed, I would really only look hard at a CB. Six seems early for Iowa's King, and as impressive as Peppers is, I don't know if he has a true position in the NFL. If Marlon Humphrey declared, that would be quite intriguing.
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You are banking that we are going to re-sign Brian Winters... Like I said in a previous thread/post I fear that Brian Winters will price himself out of New York... (see Damon Harrison) Remember this regime is reluctant to pay big bucks for even the team's own players we have drafted even though he was drafted by the previous regime he isn't guaranteed to be back...
Brian Winters prices himself well within the $6.5 - $7 million annually this regime will retain him otherwise cya... I can see Winters pricing himself north of $9 M annual... Yes Winters is better than Carpenter with a longer shelf life but for the next two seasons JC is on the books for $6.8M per...
And I stated I wouldn't want to take a guard that high anyways but considering the talent is lacked in this draft he may be the best option especially if we lose Winters to Free Agency... Then we have the next few picks to find that left tackle because it looks like either way Mangold or Wesley Johnson will return the center position is likely spoken for in 2017...
We hope that Shell takes the leap, but we also have Brent Qvale under contract for 2017... They could sign a free agent or two to compete as well...
Dan Feeney draft:
I'm liking Fournette also and if not him, Mike Williams from Clemson. I'm thinking either one will do in the 1st and it would be great if they could draft in the later rounds a sleeper player of the same size and talent of the other player. So for instance Fournette and a WR, Mike Williams size and hopefully talent in the later rounds, combined with Hack would make a potent big three. Or vice versa!!! The rest of the draft picks should be strictly oline men.
Note: maybe we'll be lucky enough to draft Williams in the 1st and Fournette will right in our laps to draft in the 2nd. And they'll actually draft both of them, lol!!!
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You are right that you did mention Winters pricing himself out of NY. I would hope not, because I think he is a solid guard who makes the OL that much better. I'd hate to see another Slauson who, despite not fitting in everywhere, put together some really good years after leaving the Jets.
The question is, would you rather let Winters walk and fill that hole in a #6 pick, or keep Winters and address another need at #6? I'd prefer the latter, but that's a matter of opinion.
Did you notice how well Shell played the last few weeks, did you also notice Brent Qvale as the RG playing equally as well... Being that Qvale is under contract next year (contract year) the following he will be a RFA that will receive a 1 year tender so if they wanted too they could go that route...
LT(Draft) LG(Carpenter) OC(Mangold or Johnson) RG(Qvale/Dozier) RT(Shell)
Now if Mangold does return this opens the door for Wesley Johnson to play RG as well...
The main concern is Left Tackle we need to draft one this year, no free agency signing must draft one...
But if Winters goes then this opens the door do we have the long term option in house or is it a priority like blind side tackle?
I would accept drafting Feeney only if we traded out of this pick, that is what I initially said... But to where he is ranked we probably would need to trade down twice... Then again by the time draft comes he might soar up the draft boards just because he is a prospect a team could build around, he will be in the league for at least ten years...
Again depending on how pro days and combine go, before making my final assumption...
My first choice is and has always been Ryan Ramczyk LT Wisconsin, he would sew up our blind side for a decade... My second choice for left tackle are tied between two prospects both mid to high third round ranked 1)Avery Gennesy TAMU 2)Dion Dawkins Temple ...
I would consider going WR Corey Davis at 6, literally the best receiver in the draft...
I did, and I was honestly surprised. I did not see Qvale moving inside as a viable move, but it has worked. That right side, honestly, was creating most of the holes for Powell.
As for LT, I like some of the guys the Jets have in-house right now...but not at LT. I like Qvale, but not on the blind side. Same with Shell. Ijalana has some talent, but I would not trust a young QB with him manning the backside rush. Truth is, as badly as the line played at times, there is talent there, young talent. Even Johnson showed some signs at C for Mangold, though I still have some concerns. But what is lacking more than anything else is a true franchise LT to protect a QB.
no way they opt-in on Clady's $10 M 2017 team option especially after he ended up on IR...
Ijalana showed good role tendencies stepping in as a situational guy but when he took over at Left tackle he was beaten often and badly... This was due that he didn't have enough practice time to work on his stamina because when he got beat he was huffing n puffing (out of gas)...
As I previously stated no way should Shell play left tackle as he doesn't have the natural bend for the position...
Like Shell, Qvale also doesn't have the physical and natural tools to play left tackle...
A couple options in free agency but nothing to write home about... Three Texans will enter free agency, two of them options for left tackle...
My priority would be LT as well, with Ramczyk as the leading candidate. I know Robinson gets most of the hype, but I think his future is as a road-grader on the right side. Second choice would be a CB, if one warrants a pick that high in first round. Cam Sutton (CB Tennessee) is a guy who I have followed pretty closely because I'm a Vols fan, but I think he might be a nice value pick for us in 2nd or even 3rd round. I would also like an edge guy if one warrants the #6 pick, perhaps Barnett or Williams. Barnett really intrigues me because of his production, although not your typical body type for an edge rusher. Guy is relentless and a great team guy, again I know this from watching all Vol games. Williams is a bit of a one trick pony at this stage of his development, but an impressive specimen nonetheless.
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That's what we needed last year. As always, the Jets are a day late and a dollar short.
Well when you have about 18-20 needs I think BPA is best choice.
Skill position players would be the best bet here. but only if the league adopts the rules from touch football in the street (one DL who counts "Mississippi's and everyone else out on a pass route),
Otherwise, it makes no sense to take RB/WR/QB without a complete rebuild of this o-line.
On D, wouldn't it be nice to get a few people who can actually get to the QB? (without the Mississippi's)
Otherwise, it makes no sense to take RB/WR/QB without a complete rebuild of this o-line.
On D, wouldn't it be nice to get a few people who can actually get to the QB? (without the Mississippi's)
Chad Cascadden had an interesting take on the pass rush the other day. He's of the opinion that we play the wrong base defense. Said we're a 3-4 base with 4-3 personnel. He made a great point about our lack of enough LB's to play the 3-4, and how Sheldon would destroy opposing teams if he had his hand in the dirt all the time as a DE (instead of being miscast as an OLB).
Maybe we change our approach next year.
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