Our new OC, Chan Gailey - his resume

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ucrenegade said:
first i never said it would be pass happy. I said they will do alot of short passes to set up the run and stretch the field.

Have you been watching film of gailey's offense because I have and one thing gailey is not is run first even when he had thigpen and stewart he was always looking to pass first.
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That, in itself is absolutely psychotic given the general lack of talent we have at QB. It will insure the Jets have another disappointing season missing the playoffs.

As I posted already, the Jets ONLY option on offense is for our QB to play keep away with the football. Hand off all day long to the guys that will a decent season possible. Then when the odds most favor our QB, we should allow him to ONLY take what the defense is giving him. That and nothing more. He just cannot be trusted beyond that.
 
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sg3 said:
In summary your entire premise is incorrect because Ryan Fitzpatrick has been able to manage the QB position with a number of teams with positive TD/Int ratios and a 60+ QB rating. As he did last year in Houston. Many (most) of those teams had offenses and defenses weaker than the one Maccagnan has assembled for Bowles for this season

I don't believe your sandwich theory is correct. Maybe they think so in your local media, on WEEI and NESN but I think it is flawed
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This I also FLAWED. You haven't heard? Chan Gailey has appointed GENO SMITH as the starting QB. He's not even going to make Geno prove it in an all out QB competition. He just simply appointed him as the starter, JUST LIKE what Morninweg did. Just like what Sparano did before him.

In lay terms, the EXACT same approach that every guy before him took.

On paper, I agree with you. Ryan Fitzpatrick is clearly the BEST option as starter. But he won't even get a shot by Gailey's very words. They are ALL in with Geno.

Has Todd Bowles and Chan Gailey ever read Einstein's definition of insanity? Because I think that should be "REQUIRED READING" at this juncture in their NYJ career.
 
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Mainejet said:
That, in itself is absolutely psychotic given the general lack of talent we have at QB. It will insure the Jets have another disappointing season missing the playoffs.

As I posted already, the Jets ONLY option on offense is for our QB to play keep away with the football. Hand off all day long to the guys that will a decent season possible. Then when the odds most favor our QB, we should allow him to ONLY take what the defense is giving him. That and nothing more. He just cannot be trusted beyond that.
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And what I am saying is gailey doesn't do that..................and for the record i am against geno smith but he is way more talented than thigpen and slash stewart who gailey has had before and he still didn't run first even when he had bettis and larry johnson.
 
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ucrenegade said:
And what I am saying is gailey doesn't do that..................and for the record i am against geno smith but he is way more talented than thigpen and slash stewart who gailey has had before and he still didn't run first even when he had bettis and larry johnson.
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Fitz BARELY has had a better career than Kordell Stewart. Gailey also had a MUCH better running game than the Jets and at least a comparable defense to what we will have this season. The Jets do NOT have as good of a team as the Steelers in those days.

Yet, our QB STILL has never had a winning record with any team he has ever played for. He also just played for a pretty damn good Texans team. Yet, he still produced a non winning season.

So the idea that Geno and Fitz will win because our team is so much better than years past is nonsense. The Jets MUST get better at the QB spot and that is the ONLY way this team can ever contend.
 
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Mainejet said:
Fitz BARELY has had a better career than Kordell Stewart. Gailey also had a MUCH better running game than the Jets and at least a comparable defense to what we will have this season. The Jets do NOT have as good of a team as the Steelers in those days.

Yet, our QB STILL has never had a winning record with any team he has ever played for. He also just played for a pretty damn good Texans team. Yet, he still produced a non winning season.

So the idea that Geno and Fitz will win because our team is so much better than years past is nonsense. The Jets MUST get better at the QB spot and that is the ONLY way this team can ever contend.
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I agree we need a franchise qb hopefully petty is it, but all in all as game mangers fitz and hopefully geno can hold the fort at least we won't be drafting top 10 every year.
 
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ucrenegade said:
I agree we need a franchise qb hopefully petty is it, but all in all as game mangers fitz and hopefully geno can hold the fort at least we won't be drafting top 10 every year.
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Maybe we should be so we can potentially get a franchise QB? It all depends on what the CS sees out of Petty I guess.
 
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Mainejet said:
I am relaxed. I am just choosing to enlighten us about the current terrain we find ourselves in. It's a SH*T sandwich.
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Stick to stuff you know, like your man crush for Rex Ryan. Your still butthurt over his firing. So now every
aspect of the Jets suck in your little opinion. You've turned into a Buffalo Bills troll on a Jets message board.
Your not rooting for the Jets anymore, as you've followed Rex Ryan to Buffalo. You wish the Jets to fail
especially Todd Bowles to support your Rex Ryan agenda. Obvious to everyone who knew you from JI to
scout and masquerading on other message boards. See you Nov. 12th, Midget.
 
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jetfrantik said:
Stick to stuff you know, like your man crush for Rex Ryan. Your still butthurt over his firing. So now every
aspect of the Jets suck in your little opinion. You've turned into a Buffalo Bills troll on a Jets message board.
Your not rooting for the Jets anymore, as you've followed Rex Ryan to Buffalo. You wish the Jets to fail
especially Todd Bowles to support your Rex Ryan agenda. Obvious to everyone who knew you from JI to
scout and masquerading on other message boards. See you Nov. 12th, Midget.
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If you don't like what I post, KMA...
 
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Mainejet said:
Fitz BARELY has had a better career than Kordell Stewart. Gailey also had a MUCH better running game than the Jets and at least a comparable defense to what we will have this season. The Jets do NOT have as good of a team as the Steelers in those days.

Yet, our QB STILL has never had a winning record with any team he has ever played for. He also just played for a pretty damn good Texans team. Yet, he still produced a non winning season.

So the idea that Geno and Fitz will win because our team is so much better than years past is nonsense. The Jets MUST get better at the QB spot and that is the ONLY way this team can ever contend.
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And I provided numbers that show what Fitzpatrick could do. You agreed that those numbers would make the team good.

Then you went back on your word when you saw they were Fitzpatrick's numbers.
 
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I have to say I agree with Maine
Familiarity breeds Contempt
We all deep down , know what we have at the QB position
 
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Bigmoe said:
I have to say I agree with Maine
Familiarity breeds Contempt
We all deep down , know what we have at the QB position
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Disagree. We don't know anything about what we've got. Fitzpatrick is a better QB than all the doom and gloomers want to admit, and Geno has a better set of receivers and a defense that will take a lot of pressure off of him. Gailey, theoretically, is more suited to Geno than MM's West Coast style. It's just a matter of Geno adapting to yet another OC.

Look, I'm not sold on Geno. He has sucked badly at times. But he's also played very well at times. Despite what his detractors choose to believe. It's not just wins and losses. In case anyone missed it last season, Geno's #1 receiver was #2 Eric Decker. And the secondary stunk, giving up an embarrassing amount of TD's through the air. This isn't as simple as some are making it out to be.
 
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Bigmoe said:
Badly at times? = 90%
" very well " at times. ?
Disagree
I'm too ecstatic about the Rangers anywho
This shit can wait tell Sept.
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Just for argument's sake, and not to cherry pick, but let's take a look at some of Geno's decent-very good games in 2014:

OAKLAND: 23/28 221 1 TD 1 INT
CHICAGO: 26/43 316 1 TD 2 INT
DETROIT: 17/33 209 1/1
DENVER: 23/43 190 2/1
NE: 20/34 226 1/0
MINN: 18/29 254 1/1
NE: 17/27 210 1/1
MIAMI: 20/25 358 3/0

Yes, I left out the bad games. But the point I'm making is that the "Geno Smith is the worst QB EVER!!!!!" diatribes are typical over reactions from a jaded fan base.
 
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BlindsideD'Brick said:
Just for argument's sake, and not to cherry pick, but let's take a look at some of Geno's decent-very good games in 2014:

OAKLAND: 23/28 221 1 TD 1 INT
CHICAGO: 26/43 316 1 TD 2 INT
DETROIT: 17/33 209 1/1
DENVER: 23/43 190 2/1
NE: 20/34 226 1/0
MINN: 18/29 254 1/1
NE: 17/27 210 1/1
MIAMI: 20/25 358 3/0

Yes, I left out the bad games. But the point I'm making is that the "Geno Smith is the worst QB EVER!!!!!" diatribes are typical over reactions from a jaded fan base.
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Not sure if you meant to do this, but you picked out 8 games, which is obviously half a season. Extrapolating those numbers to a full season would produce:

328/524 3968 (248/gm) 62.6% 22 TDs 14 INTs (6 fumbles lost)

I'm pretty sure any of us would sign up for those numbers in a heartbeat, but that would mean he'd need to play his "best ball" for 16 games. Wouldn't you think the numbers would be better for any QB's "best half season"? (and don't ask what happens if you take that last Miami game out -- it skews the numbers considerably)

To put it another way, did you think benching Geno was the right call? Was our CS so inept that they didn't see his potential, but rather blamed him for problems outside his control? Or do you agree that his OVERALL play was not worthy of the starter's position?

I could care less about the "worst QB ever" label -- all that matters is whether he's good enough to lead this team to the promised land. I have no problem giving him the chance, I just have difficulty believing he will . . .
 
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I just did a similar and equally valid and accurate 16 game extrapolation based on the first quarter of his game against the Bills after which he was benched for Vick

0 TD, 192 Interceptions, 0.00 QBR, 320 yards total, 25.0 completion %

I'm sure any of us would sign up for this in a "heartbeat"
 
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