Ownership and gm finally on same page publicly

[mykcuz]

A rare thing happened this week. The owner, gm, and coach were publicly on the same page, and their actions matched their words.

Idzik stockpiled cap space and picks while neglecting the worst secondary in football for a secondary based defense and coach, while claiming he was going for it. Actions= save for future, throw coach under the bus.

Mac was selling us a competitive rebuild, and he delivered. He made some amazing trades that resulted in the jets greatest offense in history, which basically cost us a 5th round pick. Mac never made a blockbuster trade for a win now draft pick that would cost us picks. He's had 2 full drafts and has added great udfa's.

We are set to watch qualified 22 year olds fight for a place on this team, while entering next year with 80 million in cap space.

The owner said he expects to be judged on the improvement of our young guys, he didn't mention playoffs for the first time in 18 years, and that means he actually understands the teams reality and has accepted a strategy of building this team to succeed for 10 plus years.

Woodys words match macs actions. Thank God.

Good things don't come when guys are lying to save their jobs.

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[jets82]

Thank God indeed. This do this the right way and things should turn around in about 2-3 years and stay very very competitive for years to come. May even build a championships team around here.

 

[Mainejet]

A rare thing happened this week. The owner, gm, and coach were publicly on the same page, and their actions matched their words.

Idzik stockpiled cap space and picks while neglecting the worst secondary in football for a secondary based defense and coach, while claiming he was going for it. Actions= save for future, throw coach under the bus.

Mac was selling us a competitive rebuild, and he delivered. He made some amazing trades that resulted in the jets greatest offense in history, which basically cost us a 5th round pick. Mac never made a blockbuster trade for a win now draft pick that would cost us picks. He's had 2 full drafts and has added great udfa's.

We are set to watch qualified 22 year olds fight for a place on this team, while entering next year with 80 million in cap space.

The owner said he expects to be judged on the improvement of our young guys, he didn't mention playoffs for the first time in 18 years, and that means he actually understands the teams reality and has accepted a strategy of building this team to succeed for 10 plus years.

Woodys words match macs actions. Thank God.

Good things don't come when guys are lying to save their jobs.

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I agree that the front office and Woody seem to be in agreement and on the same page. But I must differ with the idea that Mac sold Woody a "competitive rebuild and delivered"? He delivered NOTHING. Even in the case of that "competitive rebuild", the very lowest expectation is to make the playoffs? He never delivered anything along those lines. So in turn he did NOT deliver. He TRIED a competitive rebuild and the whole thing blew up in his face. The expectations were high, and rightfully so, in 2016. Instead, it was the complete opposite of what everyone was expecting. Virtually everyone was expecting the playoffs. After all, he came a smidge away from getting the Jets into the playoffs in 2015? It goes to logic to think you can build off of that provided you added some good, young players through the draft.

Like I said, he drafted poorly prior to the 2016 season. None of the players picked helped the Jets win games in 2016. Hack never even took a snap for crying out loud. ALL of the players selected last year are still very much on the fence as to whether they'll be good players or bad? Virtually nothing has been proven with those players and looking at things now? It's easy to be skeptical.

So where anyone could possibly think that Mac delivered ANYTHING to date is ridiculous. Now, I think you could say he had a really good draft this year? You could have confidence and think that the team is on the way up? You could feel that Mac's tendency to take BPA is a good, sound strategy?

But in the way of real actual achievements that Mac can hang his hat on? He has NOTHING........

 

[SackExchange]

This is very positive, and indeed looks at the Jets (for the first time in a long time) having a long-term plan. An actual plan, with buy-in.

I just hope all sides are patient. Woody cannot put Bowles' job on the line if the record isn't good. If he does, Bowles will start every veteran he can. The organization needs to stay the course.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

They've never had a plan so until this plan is realized I will doubt their commitment to it.

 

[SackExchange]

They've never had a plan so until this plan is realized I will doubt their commitment to it.

If they have never had a plan before, as you are arguing, why would your default be to doubt their commitment to it?

If this is the first time, they have no history of having a plan. So without a precedent, wouldn't it just be SOJF to doubt it? I would think the only reasonable position would be to remain neutral on the question.

 

[mydogisajetsfan]

This is very positive, and indeed looks at the Jets (for the first time in a long time) having a long-term plan. An actual plan, with buy-in.

I just hope all sides are patient. Woody cannot put Bowles' job on the line if the record isn't good. If he does, Bowles will start every veteran he can. The organization needs to stay the course.

Bowles has to improve one area of his this year. He has to hold his players accountable. He cannot spew the 'everyone oversleeps' bullshit any longer. The advantage now is, if he has to sit his star players, so be it. The record doesn't matter, but the effort does. It's that simple.

 

[mykcuz]

Bowles has to improve one area of his this year. He has to hold his players accountable. He cannot spew the 'everyone oversleeps' bullshit any longer. The advantage now is, if he has to sit his star players, so be it. The record doesn't matter, but the effort does. It's that simple.

I Agree, that quote was bull. I get that things have changed and players need to have their egos stroked. But don't tell me as head coach, that being late is no big deal.

But you can't build for the future and have the coach playing for his job. The young guys don't get needed reps and it stunts growth.

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[SackExchange]

Bowles has to improve one area of his this year. He has to hold his players accountable. He cannot spew the 'everyone oversleeps' bullshit any longer. The advantage now is, if he has to sit his star players, so be it. The record doesn't matter, but the effort does. It's that simple.

I absolutely agree. Though I have been patient with Bowles, that needs to stop. And it should be easier to be the voice of authority in a younger locker room.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

If they have never had a plan before, as you are arguing, why would your default be to doubt their commitment to it?

If this is the first time, they have no history of having a plan. So without a precedent, wouldn't it just be SOJF to doubt it? I would think the only reasonable position would be to remain neutral on the question.

I don't give a shit if people call me SOJF. Thats your default term. Until they produce consistent winning results then they are the SOJ.

 

[mykcuz]

I agree that the front office and Woody seem to be in agreement and on the same page. But I must differ with the idea that Mac sold Woody a "competitive rebuild and delivered"? He delivered NOTHING. Even in the case of that "competitive rebuild", the very lowest expectation is to make the playoffs? He never delivered anything along those lines. So in turn he did NOT deliver. He TRIED a competitive rebuild and the whole thing blew up in his face. The expectations were high, and rightfully so, in 2016. Instead, it was the complete opposite of what everyone was expecting. Virtually everyone was expecting the playoffs. After all, he came a smidge away from getting the Jets into the playoffs in 2015? It goes to logic to think you can build off of that provided you added some good, young players through the draft.

Like I said, he drafted poorly prior to the 2016 season. None of the players picked helped the Jets win games in 2016. Hack never even took a snap for crying out loud. ALL of the players selected last year are still very much on the fence as to whether they'll be good players or bad? Virtually nothing has been proven with those players and looking at things now? It's easy to be skeptical.

So where anyone could possibly think that Mac delivered ANYTHING to date is ridiculous. Now, I think you could say he had a really good draft this year? You could have confidence and think that the team is on the way up? You could feel that Mac's tendency to take BPA is a good, sound strategy?

But in the way of real actual achievements that Mac can hang his hat on? He has NOTHING........

As usual I disagree. Macs drafts have not been flawless, but he has drafted well overall. He's a genius next to the idzik 12. He has picked guys who will be starters and depth guys for years to come.

First, I did not say mac sold woody on a competitive rebuild. I think woody was adamantly against a rebuild and mac had to appease him. Woody probably got his way and saw the failure of his method last season. I think mac made his case but said hey you're the boss I'll do what you want. Woodys way failed, and he humbled himself.

Second, I would say trading a5th round pick for the greatest jets offense in history and 10 wins, while keeping your draft picks intact, qualifies as a competitive rebuild. Consider rebuilding teams at 1 or 2 wins versus 10, and betting on the edge of playoffs. Making the playoffs while rebuilding without a franchise qb, would be unprecedented. I dont think you are being fair.

Last year was a failure. The fitz deal took too long. Decker and Marshall got hurt in buffalo, Decker never recovered. Revis sucked, mangold couldn't get on the field. The threat of marshal and Decker is what made the offense succeed, without that we were done. But we were a rebuilding team playing with house money. We still maintained our draft picks, w didn't mortgage our future for a win now team. Mac let the guys play and moved on.

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[ReallyBigfan]

I agree that the front office and Woody seem to be in agreement and on the same page. But I must differ with the idea that Mac sold Woody a "competitive rebuild and delivered"? He delivered NOTHING. Even in the case of that "competitive rebuild", the very lowest expectation is to make the playoffs? He never delivered anything along those lines. So in turn he did NOT deliver. He TRIED a competitive rebuild and the whole thing blew up in his face. The expectations were high, and rightfully so, in 2016. Instead, it was the complete opposite of what everyone was expecting. Virtually everyone was expecting the playoffs. After all, he came a smidge away from getting the Jets into the playoffs in 2015? It goes to logic to think you can build off of that provided you added some good, young players through the draft.

Like I said, he drafted poorly prior to the 2016 season. None of the players picked helped the Jets win games in 2016. Hack never even took a snap for crying out loud. ALL of the players selected last year are still very much on the fence as to whether they'll be good players or bad? Virtually nothing has been proven with those players and looking at things now? It's easy to be skeptical.

So where anyone could possibly think that Mac delivered ANYTHING to date is ridiculous. Now, I think you could say he had a really good draft this year? You could have confidence and think that the team is on the way up? You could feel that Mac's tendency to take BPA is a good, sound strategy?

But in the way of real actual achievements that Mac can hang his hat on? He has NOTHING........

I doubt many people would understand "competitive rebuild" in that way. If you make the playoffs, you are not rebuilding. A competitive rebuild means your team remains competitive and doesn't go 1-15 or even 5-11. A 10-6 team is definitely competitive, any way you slice it.

 

[Mainejet]

I doubt many people would understand "competitive rebuild" in that way. If you make the playoffs, you are not rebuilding. A competitive rebuild means your team remains competitive and doesn't go 1-15 or even 5-11. A 10-6 team is definitely competitive, any way you slice it.

BS... Just like any other team that doesn't make the playoffs, they are considered NOT good enough to be respected. The problem is you set such low standards for your team and hen have to convince yourself that you're happy? The 2008 Patriots went 11-5 and still missed the playoffs. They are considered to be just another team not good enough to make the playoffs - same with the Jets.

 

[Mainejet]

NFL Live just did their way too early 2018 draft. Has the Jets picking 3rd overall and selecting Josh Rosen behind Sam Darnold to Browns 1st overall and Josh Allen to 49ers 2nd. So obviously that's ESPN that thinks the Jets suck in 2017

 

[Bigmoe]

The problem is you set such low standards for your team and hen have to convince yourself that you're happy?

Exactly

that's why I hate " rebuild"
built in excuse to suck

and Woodys sellin this shit to the fans this year like it's going to work out

I call BS

 

[Bigmoe]

. So obviously that's ESPN that thinks the Jets suck in 2017

Well I think their power rankings have us 30th

so yea can't suck much worse

or can they?

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

Jets will be in the top two picks.

 

[NYJETSDAN16]

Last time ESPN had us ranked 32nd... we ended up 10-6. Just throwing this out there.

 

[mykcuz]

BS... Just like any other team that doesn't make the playoffs, they are considered NOT good enough to be respected. The problem is you set such low standards for your team and hen have to convince yourself that you're happy? The 2008 Patriots went 11-5 and still missed the playoffs. They are considered to be just another team not good enough to make the playoffs - same with the Jets.

The 08 pats won 11 games with a backup qb. Nobody thinks about that team with any negative feelings.

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[ReallyBigfan]

BS... Just like any other team that doesn't make the playoffs, they are considered NOT good enough to be respected. The problem is you set such low standards for your team and hen have to convince yourself that you're happy? The 2008 Patriots went 11-5 and still missed the playoffs. They are considered to be just another team not good enough to make the playoffs - same with the Jets.

Man, you just love to fight, don't you? Your "answer" has nothing to do with the point that I was addressing. I never said that they were/are good enough to be respected or that missing the playoffs is good enough for me to be satisfied. I addressed one specific point, which is the meaning of the term "competitive rebuild," and I pointed out that by definition, it means that a team remains COMPETITIVE while rebuilding; I don't know how anyone can say that a 10-6 team, which won 5 of their last 6 games coming down the stretch, including beating the Patriots, and had only one loss the entire season by more than a TD (vs. Raiders 34-20) was not competitive.

Was I satisfied with being competitive but missing the playoffs? Hell, no! But they were a competitive team in 2015.