I’ll let Hobson explain. He’s doing a fine job dissecting your claim that only “obscure” players with little chance of success can be found beyond the first and second rounds.
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I’ll let Hobson explain. He’s doing a fine job dissecting your claim that only “obscure” players with little chance of success can be found beyond the first and second rounds.
look, if you & your pal want to pick nits, knock yourselves out wringing your hands over which 6th rounder becomes quality depth..
This draft was, is & will always be about darnold.. how/LOLz why you guys tried to make it about mid to late round picks is?? hell, i don't know what is!! i'm to excited about darnold to give a shit though..
exiting the rabbit hole.....
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are you capable of discussing things with people without insults. now i'm reminded of why i took a long hiatus from this place. it seems like some of the trash was taken out, but i guess some is still here.
I think that yes, some teams have more success than others at picking later round guys. But every team has its successes and its failures. The problem with any fan base is that its missed picks are highlighted, while other teams' successes are. Under Maccagnan, the Jets have been fairly middle of the road if you count later picks and UDFA. Guys like Jordan Jenkins, Deon Simon, Robby Anderson, and Brandon Shell have shown some success, or even Lachlan Edwards as a punter. But he's had misses, like Petty, Jeremy Clark, and Peake haven't exactly wowed. I would expect this draft to be similar, some later guys and UDFA sticking, others not.
of course every team has hits and misses. i wasn't saying anything to the contrary.
i was just saying that as much as a i recognize this draft will be about getting darnold, that i don't agree with the view that anything we got on top of him is just gravy. while macc has had some moderate mid-to-late round and UDFA success, for the jets to take the next step and build a SB caliber roster, they need to do better. the guys you mentioned, with the possible exception of robby anderson, are more or less JAGs. fans of other teams can point to their own players as their simons, jenkins, shells, etc... really nothing to write home about. they are borderline starters and depth players on a team that is not exactly loaded with talent.
so my hope is that the picks in rounds 3-7 and the UDFA class produces more than these types of players. i can't pretend to know anything about anyone they took, although some reports are encouraging. obviously they need to prove it on the field.
i go back to the example i used earlier. peyton manning is one of the all-time great QBs. and it took him forever to have a supporting cast around him to really compete for a title. and while your headline draft picks go a long way, you need to hit on those mid-to-late round picks to build a complete roster. not every one of course. but more than we've seen from this team.
the bolded is a personal attack.. by all means "bold" anything in my post or in this thread for that matter you considered an insult/personal attack.. by my count, you are the only one!!
so spare me your sanctimonious injured party hypocrisy..
There have been many references to Mac's supposed indifference to building the offensive line and/or finding a pass rusher. My overall perspective is that the Jets were so lacking in young talent that he could not possibly fill all of our needs through the draft n the time that he has been here, especially after the fool's gold 10-6 record with Fitz at QB.. As for the offensive line, we will have a better center and a *much* improved Brian Winter, who played almost the entire year with a bad abdominal injury. Is there star power on the OL? No, but we are two deep at just about every position. I do fully expect Mac to prioritize th OL next year in free agency and/or the draft. As it is, I expect that we will have an average to slightly above average OL. Sack, you played on an OL. What is your view of this?
As for an edge rusher, Mauldin has been hurt. Who knows about him? Again, now that we have achieved our highest priority, a franchise QB, I would fully expect that we will prioritize the pass rush next year. Rome wasn't built in a day. It is not reasonable to say, "Do anything to land a franchise QB," and then lament the draft capital that it took to achieve that goal. Edge rushers have been hard to find for most teams in the league.
As for an edge rusher, Mauldin has been hurt. Who knows about him? Again, now that we have achieved our highest priority, a franchise QB, I would fully expect that we will prioritize the pass rush next year. Rome wasn't built in a day. It is not reasonable to say, "Do anything to land a franchise QB," and then lament the draft capital that it took to achieve that goal. Edge rushers have been hard to find for most teams in the league.
Lets keep calm boys & girls
I give the Jets a B for the draft...why because every site says their Qb is the best LOL.....I got to see this guy play first before I put a crown on his head .None of the four knocked my socks off but I must say of the top four Qb's I think the Jets & cards had the two I would have picked.....I figure I have a 45 pct chance of one of these guys being a top qb & a 23% chance of both being that good.
I do feel the Cards draft (A) was better then the Jets draft ...going in I thought the jets would be better.
Now that being said I hope we get to see Bridgewater as he has a 45% chance of being a top qb if his knee is good.
Anyway I am happy with both teams
I do feel the Cards draft (A) was better then the Jets draft ...going in I thought the jets would be better.
Now that being said I hope we get to see Bridgewater as he has a 45% chance of being a top qb if his knee is good.
Anyway I am happy with both teams
That’s a good post, Namath. I agree.
We more than likely took care of the QB position long term. But we’re not turning this thing over in 2018. There are still improvements to be made. I’m not as harsh on this o-line as others. I think between Long and Swanson, we’ll be alright at Center. And the rest of the line can hold the fort until next season, when I expect possible replacements of Beachum and Carpenter. We’ve got a lot of 2’s and 3’s at WR. I’d like to see a true #1 WR next year for Sam. The secondary and d-line have been a heavy focus, so all we really need on the D is some help at OLB.
If we upgrade these spots, combined with a year of getting Sam up to speed, we’ll be ready for big boy games in January. I have no doubt about it.
I really like the Darnold pick. I think the Giants were dumb to pick Barkley for a number of reasons. But I digress. I'm glad that Darnold was available...actually ecstatic. My only criticism is that we didn't really need to trade up for a top qb prospect.
If we stayed at #6, I believe another team would’ve traded up for Darnold at #3 or #4. And then we would’ve gotten Rosen. Which isn’t bad, but it seems as though Darnold was clearly who Macc really wanted.
I should qualify myself by saying that I haven't been able to follow the off-season much due to my previous work and living arrangements. But this has the look and feel of the 1990 draft when the Seahawks made a heavy offer to the Jets to move up from #6 to #2 and the Jets refused and selected Blair Thomas (who probably would've been available at #6 and if he wasn't, Emmitt Smith would've been available). It didn't seem clear that the Browns would draft Mayfield (who seems a bit risky but will probably be ok) first overall. There's risk with Darnold...actually all first round qbs. The position has a high bust rate. So maybe they would've been better off with Allen or Rosen and the extra picks.
Your post seems to be more about Macc's ability to draft well in the first round than the Darnold selection. BTW, I hated the Jamal Adams selection about as soon as I heard about it. I didn't like Williams either (wasn't a team need). I liked Clinton-Dix over Pryor too.
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According to Forbes only 26 percentage of players drafted in rounds 4-7 become NFL starters. So yeah Jetgreen13 is correct, rounds 4-7 are crap shoots. And he did it without insulting anyone. Cool
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i apologize. i didn't realize the complimentary nature of your posts when you mentioned my posts being from the twilight zone, telling brick he can't get his head around the discussion, saying i was nitpicking and hand-wringing when i wanted to discuss the importance of picks 3-7, and likening our discussion to a journey down a rabbit hole.
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the entire nfl draft is a crap shot. no one is denying that. but good teams will build their rosters through success in the mid-to-late rounds. if you just want to discount the importance of those rounds, feel free to do so. and if the jets continue to draft in rounds 3-7 like they have for most of their history, the jets will continue to have the level of success they've had for most of their history.
getting darnold is great. everyone knows they needed a potential franchise QB. but there are many good-to-great QBs who never win a SB because they don't have a strong roster around them.
but what do i know. i live in the twilight zone...or is it down the rabbit hole. i forget which of these are good...
i don't..
i challenged you & your pals position, not either of you personally..
you attacked me personally.. you won't own it.. you attacked the integrity of the board itself..
Get over yourself man. Your tone around here is always confrontational and condescending. Stop pointing fingers.
Sorry mods, but I’m done with this guy.
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