Phillip Rivers?
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He may have wrote that, but the Chargers dangling of Rivers is for the Titans and Bucs...with both those pics on the block and both needing a franchise QB...(and Arians and Rivers being a good match)...the back door rumors of Rivers being available isn't for a slight move up...its for a big one. Same goes for brees. if they trade their franchise QB, it will be to be 100% sure they get their replacement. Rivers and Brees will be offered to Titans and Bucs first, it will only be if the 5 teams ahead of us say no that the offer even makes it to us. I, personally, dont feel people will say no 5 times before us to Rivers and Brees being on the block...but you never know...
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I think the article was by the 5'4" toupee wearing Giant fan jackass football "expert" from the Daily News, Gary Myers, not the former Met and Cub closer.
IMO the article is nonsense. We already have a 24 year old mistake machine at QB. I see no value in trading the #6 pick for a 34 year old mistake machine.
We are way better off with the 6 (Fowler, Cooper, Mariota, Gregory or White) and Fitzpatrick than with Rivers and a later pick IMO
Phillip Rivers Hall of Fame path stats to date:
#6 highest rated QB of all time:
Rank Player (age), + - HOFer, Bold - Active Rate Years Teams
1. Aaron Rodgers (31) 106.0 2005-2014 gnb
2. Tony Romo (34) 97.6 2004-2014 dal
3. Peyton Manning (38) 97.5 1998-2014 2TM
4. Steve Young+ 96.8 1985-1999 2TM
5. Tom Brady (37) 95.9 2000-2014 nwe
6. Philip Rivers (33) 95.7 2004-2014 sdg
7. Drew Brees (36) 95.4 2001-2014 2TM
8. Ben Roethlisberger (33) 93.9 2004-2014 pit
9. Kurt Warner 93.7 1998-2009 3TM
10. Joe Montana+ 92.3 1979-1994 2TM
#20 on passing yards all time:
Rank Player (age), + - HOFer, Bold - Active Yds Years Teams
1. Brett Favre 71,838 1991-2010 4TM
2. Peyton Manning (38) 69,691 1998-2014 2TM
3. Dan Marino+ 61,361 1983-1999 mia
4. Drew Brees (36) 56,033 2001-2014 2TM
5. Tom Brady (37) 53,258 2000-2014 nwe
6. John Elway+ 51,475 1983-1998 den
7. Warren Moon+ 49,325 1984-2000 4TM
8. Fran Tarkenton+ 47,003 1961-1978 2TM
9. Vinny Testaverde 46,233 1987-2007 7TM
10. Drew Bledsoe 44,611 1993-2006 3TM
11. Dan Fouts+ 43,040 1973-1987 sdg
12. Kerry Collins 40,922 1995-2011 6TM
13. Joe Montana+ 40,551 1979-1994 2TM
14. Johnny Unitas+ 40,239 1956-1973 2TM
15. Eli Manning (34) 39,755 2004-2014 nyg
16. Ben Roethlisberger (33) 39,057 2004-2014 pit
17. Dave Krieg 38,147 1980-1998 6TM
18. Boomer Esiason 37,920 1984-1997 3TM
19. Donovan McNabb 37,276 1999-2011 3TM
20. Philip Rivers (33) 36,655 2004-2014 sdg
#16 most passing TDs of all time:
Rank Player (age), + - HOFer, Bold - Active TD Years Teams
1. Peyton Manning (38) 530 1998-2014 2TM
2. Brett Favre 508 1991-2010 4TM
3. Dan Marino+ 420 1983-1999 mia
4. Drew Brees (36) 396 2001-2014 2TM
5. Tom Brady (37) 392 2000-2014 nwe
6. Fran Tarkenton+ 342 1961-1978 2TM
7. John Elway+ 300 1983-1998 den
8. Warren Moon+ 291 1984-2000 4TM
9. Johnny Unitas+ 290 1956-1973 2TM
10. Vinny Testaverde 275 1987-2007 7TM
11. Joe Montana+ 273 1979-1994 2TM
12. Dave Krieg 261 1980-1998 6TM
13. Eli Manning (34) 259 2004-2014 nyg
14. Sonny Jurgensen+ 255 1957-1974 2TM
15. Dan Fouts+ 254 1973-1987 sdg
16. Philip Rivers (33) 252 2004-2014 sdg
17. Ben Roethlisberger (33) 251 2004-2014 pit
Drew Bledsoe 251 1993-2006 3TM
19. Boomer Esiason 247 1984-1997 3TM
20. John Hadl 244 1962-1977 4TM
#6 highest rated QB of all time:
Rank Player (age), + - HOFer, Bold - Active Rate Years Teams
1. Aaron Rodgers (31) 106.0 2005-2014 gnb
2. Tony Romo (34) 97.6 2004-2014 dal
3. Peyton Manning (38) 97.5 1998-2014 2TM
4. Steve Young+ 96.8 1985-1999 2TM
5. Tom Brady (37) 95.9 2000-2014 nwe
6. Philip Rivers (33) 95.7 2004-2014 sdg
7. Drew Brees (36) 95.4 2001-2014 2TM
8. Ben Roethlisberger (33) 93.9 2004-2014 pit
9. Kurt Warner 93.7 1998-2009 3TM
10. Joe Montana+ 92.3 1979-1994 2TM
#20 on passing yards all time:
Rank Player (age), + - HOFer, Bold - Active Yds Years Teams
1. Brett Favre 71,838 1991-2010 4TM
2. Peyton Manning (38) 69,691 1998-2014 2TM
3. Dan Marino+ 61,361 1983-1999 mia
4. Drew Brees (36) 56,033 2001-2014 2TM
5. Tom Brady (37) 53,258 2000-2014 nwe
6. John Elway+ 51,475 1983-1998 den
7. Warren Moon+ 49,325 1984-2000 4TM
8. Fran Tarkenton+ 47,003 1961-1978 2TM
9. Vinny Testaverde 46,233 1987-2007 7TM
10. Drew Bledsoe 44,611 1993-2006 3TM
11. Dan Fouts+ 43,040 1973-1987 sdg
12. Kerry Collins 40,922 1995-2011 6TM
13. Joe Montana+ 40,551 1979-1994 2TM
14. Johnny Unitas+ 40,239 1956-1973 2TM
15. Eli Manning (34) 39,755 2004-2014 nyg
16. Ben Roethlisberger (33) 39,057 2004-2014 pit
17. Dave Krieg 38,147 1980-1998 6TM
18. Boomer Esiason 37,920 1984-1997 3TM
19. Donovan McNabb 37,276 1999-2011 3TM
20. Philip Rivers (33) 36,655 2004-2014 sdg
#16 most passing TDs of all time:
Rank Player (age), + - HOFer, Bold - Active TD Years Teams
1. Peyton Manning (38) 530 1998-2014 2TM
2. Brett Favre 508 1991-2010 4TM
3. Dan Marino+ 420 1983-1999 mia
4. Drew Brees (36) 396 2001-2014 2TM
5. Tom Brady (37) 392 2000-2014 nwe
6. Fran Tarkenton+ 342 1961-1978 2TM
7. John Elway+ 300 1983-1998 den
8. Warren Moon+ 291 1984-2000 4TM
9. Johnny Unitas+ 290 1956-1973 2TM
10. Vinny Testaverde 275 1987-2007 7TM
11. Joe Montana+ 273 1979-1994 2TM
12. Dave Krieg 261 1980-1998 6TM
13. Eli Manning (34) 259 2004-2014 nyg
14. Sonny Jurgensen+ 255 1957-1974 2TM
15. Dan Fouts+ 254 1973-1987 sdg
16. Philip Rivers (33) 252 2004-2014 sdg
17. Ben Roethlisberger (33) 251 2004-2014 pit
Drew Bledsoe 251 1993-2006 3TM
19. Boomer Esiason 247 1984-1997 3TM
20. John Hadl 244 1962-1977 4TM
Why should he sign an extension..he sees what average players are getting on the open market this year...he has 7 kids..a religious guy..Im sure he has plenty of money socked away in case he gets hurt..next year as a QB he would make more than any other potential free agents anyway....
but back to Jets.....I guess would have to think about it depending on what the deal is...just for 6th..never do it
GUESS I WAS WRONG he has 8
but back to Jets.....I guess would have to think about it depending on what the deal is...just for 6th..never do it
GUESS I WAS WRONG he has 8
Rhetorical question....if we got Rivers for 1st and 2nd picks..would we be a legit Super Bowl contender ?
I know we would make playoffs
He'll be top 10 in every passing category if he stays relatively healthy the next 2 years...he's 33 today I believe. the question is, is the #6 pick worth 4 years of a VERY GOOD QB...maybe not elite, but likely closer to elite than Winston or Mariota will ever be (I doubt either go down as amongst the NFLs greatest passers, when Rivers retires, he'll be top 5-10 in every passing stat).
Has Mac built a roster strong enough that a top 5 QB can win a Super Bowl with it? If the answer is yes, and the Jets want a SB more than anything else, they make the trade. if the answer is no, you dont trade #6 and keep building. ...IMO
I know your questions is rhetorical, but I am going to answer it anyway...I think the Jets need a pass rushing OLB, speedy WR, and speedy RB to be in the running for the super bowl...
I say that to say this:
1) Pats beat last year's Colts to make the Super Bowl - are the jets with Rivers as good as the two teams that were in the AFC championship game?
me: I think so, I think the Jets would be better on paper than last year's colts if they added Rivers...
2) Jets need a pass rushing OLB, speedy WR, and speedy RB to be in the running for the super bowl
me: jets can get 2 of these 3 in the draft if they trade for rivers, WR and RB, likely not the stud pass rusher though. Would we be willing to forego the stud OLB for Rivers? For me, yes, because I think Rivers gives you a chance to play in the AFC championship game if you get him.
3) Rivers cap number is looking like $18-20 mill to get him...do you do it? Remember, signing/adding him likely puts a big time young piece available down the road in free agency...
Me: I would lose Harris, Cro, Revis, Mangold, or Brick 1-2 years too early than lose a 26-27 year old Richardson or Wilkerson...you do what it takes to keep them, even if it is moving on from ole reliable...
Questions were for S and G's but i think these would be the obvious questions that MCC and BOWLES would have to answer in their head I think the OLB edge guy would be the problwm..I think you could get most highly rated WR.RB in 3rd and 4th...also I wouldnt totally think we were screwed w o the rush OLB..Bowles schemes A LOT and blitzes with DB's alot..and he made fairly non household names good rushers with Cards...thats why as much as I want a OLB it is going to be a tough choice if Cooper and OLB are there at 6th
The money thing is also prob the biggest deciding factor...
rivers has been in the nfl 11 years; 9 as a full time starter. in these 9 years, he has a 4-5 playoff record with 1 afc title game appearance. in these 9 games, he has 11 TDs and 9 Ints.
i think Rivers is a pretty good QB, but i'm not so sure he makes the jets, or any team, an instant title contender.
that said i would consider trading for him if he was available. but i'm not giving up the #6 pick for him, unless SD is giving us back their own 1st rounder. in the end, he's still a 33 y.o. QB a year shy of huge contract who has had very little playoff success in 9 years in the league as a full time starter. and when the heat has been on in the playoffs, he's been pretty mediocre (11 TDs/9 ints in 9 games, with a 4-5 record).
i think Rivers is a pretty good QB, but i'm not so sure he makes the jets, or any team, an instant title contender.
that said i would consider trading for him if he was available. but i'm not giving up the #6 pick for him, unless SD is giving us back their own 1st rounder. in the end, he's still a 33 y.o. QB a year shy of huge contract who has had very little playoff success in 9 years in the league as a full time starter. and when the heat has been on in the playoffs, he's been pretty mediocre (11 TDs/9 ints in 9 games, with a 4-5 record).
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Maybe we can sign Brett Favre....he's only about 45 and he has way, way better career statz and has also won super bowls. I bet we can get him and he won't even cost the 6 pick in.the draft either
Itz all about dem career statz. Career statz are everything!!!!
What does a little thing like 12 million a year matter, anyhow!l
Itz all about dem career statz. Career statz are everything!!!!
What does a little thing like 12 million a year matter, anyhow!l
Do you feel our current roster, on both sides of the ball is better, worse, or equivalent to what he worked with in SD?
I don't think Rivers makes a team an instant title contender, either. But I do think that he may be the missing piece for a team stacked on defense and with a solid running game and pretty good OL and WRs.
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Agree
I'm hoping the issue of the stud pass rusher may already be solved with a current player on the team. The Que
The past two years Coples has been near the top of the league in QB hurries, and QB hits. He always seemed to be a half second late in finishing off the sack.
IMO there is a reason for that. Last year the Jets arguably had the worst DB's in the NFL. WR's were open withing 2-3 steps of the LOS. it was only taking QB's 1.5 -2 seconds to find a wide open WR. This year the Jets will arguably have the best DB's in the NFL.
In 1-1 Revis takes out #1 , Cro takes out #2 . it is going to take considerably longer then 1.5-2 seconds for QB's to find a WR. That should give Coples the time to finish the QB. In his walk year, I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Coples with 11-12 sacks
That's what I think too. is he aaron rodgers? No. But neither is Russell Wilson, Flacco, Big Ben, or Eli...but with the pieces those 4 had around them, he would likely be just as successful (if not more than a couple names on that list). if you can build the car, I think he can drive it to the finish line....
not really sure i can say. i don't know enough about the 9 different rosters he worked with as a full-time starter in SD to properly evaluate
however, despite what i believe are some significant upgrades made thus far this off-season, i'm not sure the jets, coming off a 4-12 season, are ready to be deemed top super bowl contenders with anyone at QB, with the possible exceptions of brady and rodgers and maybe peyton manning (assuming he isn't completely toast after his late season slump). in my mind, the jets are a better team today than where they ended the season. but i do not think they are in the position to trade the #6 pick (and not get SD's pick back) for a 33 year old QB with limited playoff success looking for a huge payday. now if SD gives us their 1st back in this theoretical trade, then i probably could be swayed.
I look at it this way. Without a QB like Rivers, our upside is probably 9-7 and even that's a stretch. I don't think anyone we draft at #6 is going to change that significantly.
With Rivers, I think our upside is deep into the playoffs. Even without Beasley or whomever, we are still a top-10 defense. But even if we draft Cooper or White, we're still a bottom-10 offense. On the other hand, if we get Rivers, we move to above-average immediately (IMO). That's above average on offense and defense. Which is what playoff teams are usually made of.
So...I give them #6 (and maybe more) for Rivers and I don't look back.
With Rivers, I think our upside is deep into the playoffs. Even without Beasley or whomever, we are still a top-10 defense. But even if we draft Cooper or White, we're still a bottom-10 offense. On the other hand, if we get Rivers, we move to above-average immediately (IMO). That's above average on offense and defense. Which is what playoff teams are usually made of.
So...I give them #6 (and maybe more) for Rivers and I don't look back.
I think he makes a bigger impact on our overall team than anyone we could take at #6 , OLB or not. People may argue he'll only make an impact for 4 years. You could make the same argument for the #6 pick that isn't a good pick...You keep trying to make the player worth the #6 pick...but it just doesnt happen and you're wasting the organization's time trying to make Gholston/Robertson a player. At least with Rivers, you know you have a franchise QB...if only for 4 years, at least that hole is plugged.
Not only Rivers comes available in 2016 - so does Eli.
He is also on the ropes with management down the hall and it isn't looking like Reese is all that concerned with continuing the relationship.
You can argue Eli is "inconsistent", but in years where they gave him the tools he's been one of the most solid QBs on the planet.
The NYG offense has struggled at various times when they've lost WRs and RBs to injury - in which seasons Eli was forced to force throws and make things happen on his own.
A similar problem existed throughout Favre's career, which is not to say Eli is Favre, but there is a lot to compare there, in their style and consistency through good times and bad, over the years.
Rivers OR Eli, HYATT™ doesn't much care which one the Jets pursue, but one of them is an answer to a long-standing problem of the Jets - no franchise QB since Broadway Joe hung 'em up.
With Marshall, Decker, Kerley, Amaro and TBD from this draft & the last, as the receiving corps, & a decent running attack complimented by a top defense - Eli and Rivers have both done far more with much less.
If HYATT™ had to pick a fatal flaw, (assuming one of those 2 QBs was acquired), it isn't a pass-rushing OLB, it's the OG positions and RT.
It's imperative that IF the Jets swing a deal, (HYATT™ would surrender #6 AND #37 for either one), that the Jets then go after Matias, Cann, Poutasi, Miller, or Garcia to shore up at least one interior OL position. Garcia in particular presents a great opportunity to groom Thor's eventual replacement as a Center in a couple of years, while he plays and develops as a LG.
An Elite QB isn't much good to a team is he's playing from a hospital bed - but with a 3rd and 4th round pick the Jets could do a lot to solidify remaining issues along the OL.
He is also on the ropes with management down the hall and it isn't looking like Reese is all that concerned with continuing the relationship.
You can argue Eli is "inconsistent", but in years where they gave him the tools he's been one of the most solid QBs on the planet.
The NYG offense has struggled at various times when they've lost WRs and RBs to injury - in which seasons Eli was forced to force throws and make things happen on his own.
A similar problem existed throughout Favre's career, which is not to say Eli is Favre, but there is a lot to compare there, in their style and consistency through good times and bad, over the years.
Rivers OR Eli, HYATT™ doesn't much care which one the Jets pursue, but one of them is an answer to a long-standing problem of the Jets - no franchise QB since Broadway Joe hung 'em up.
With Marshall, Decker, Kerley, Amaro and TBD from this draft & the last, as the receiving corps, & a decent running attack complimented by a top defense - Eli and Rivers have both done far more with much less.
If HYATT™ had to pick a fatal flaw, (assuming one of those 2 QBs was acquired), it isn't a pass-rushing OLB, it's the OG positions and RT.
It's imperative that IF the Jets swing a deal, (HYATT™ would surrender #6 AND #37 for either one), that the Jets then go after Matias, Cann, Poutasi, Miller, or Garcia to shore up at least one interior OL position. Garcia in particular presents a great opportunity to groom Thor's eventual replacement as a Center in a couple of years, while he plays and develops as a LG.
An Elite QB isn't much good to a team is he's playing from a hospital bed - but with a 3rd and 4th round pick the Jets could do a lot to solidify remaining issues along the OL.