Mariota and Winston reportedly going to throw at combine
Well that's good news. Would love to read the analysis on them.
Yeah, I don't think a lot of people understand what you're saying because of the amount of animosity they have towards Geno. Other than files and Bradford, there really isn't a QB out there, in free agency or the draft, that stands head and shoulder above Geno. Can Geno be beat out, sure, I just think it's safe to say Fitzgetald, McCown, and Ryan Mallet are far from a sure thing.
Truth is, this is a miserable offseason to need a QB. Bill O'brien, who I love by the way, has already told the Texans fan base we are in for another year of a QB battle...and all they have is Mallet, Fitzgerald, Kennum, and Savage...not exactly a QB coaches dream team; but reality is, they don't see a QB out there that makes them that much better.
Jets fans may hate Geno and think anything is better without realizing "anything" this offseason is equivalent to Geno or worse.
JMO but I do think dogs are easier to train than kids lol
Les Snead: I can’t say Sam Bradford’s on top of the depth chart
Posted by Josh Alper on February 18, 2015, 2:49 PM EST
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Rams coach Jeff Fisher said recently that quarterback Sam Bradford had input into the changes on the team’s offensive coaching staff, which were highlighted by the promotion of Frank Cignetti from quarterbacks coach to offensive coordinator.
Fisher said Cignetti wouldn’t have gotten the job if Bradford offered a strong objection and added that previous hints that the team wanted to bring in competition for Bradford weren’t about “challenging” a player that Fisher talked about as if he were on top of the depth chart. That approach doesn’t seem like one destined to make restructuring Bradford’s $13 million salary in 2015 an easy task, which may be why General Manager Les Snead went in a different direction on Wednesday’s edition of PFT Live.
Snead said that the team wants to have Bradford back in 2015 and that he plans to “chat” with the quarterback’s representatives about his contract, but stopped well short of saying that Bradford’s definitely the starter upon returning from two torn ACLs.
“I can’t say he’s top of the depth chart because he’s missed 25 [of the last 32] games,” Snead said.
Jason LaCanfora of CBS Sports reports that Bradford’s been given the green light to explore possible trades, although his current contract and medical uncertainty make it hard to imagine that too many teams will be lining up to give St. Louis assets for the right to acquire Bradford. If the Rams and Bradford can agree on a deal that cuts his salary while offering the ability to make some or all of it back through incentives, his return for a sixth year in St. Louis seems like the likeliest outcome.
Posted by Josh Alper on February 18, 2015, 2:49 PM EST
St Louis Rams v Arizona Cardinals
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Rams coach Jeff Fisher said recently that quarterback Sam Bradford had input into the changes on the team’s offensive coaching staff, which were highlighted by the promotion of Frank Cignetti from quarterbacks coach to offensive coordinator.
Fisher said Cignetti wouldn’t have gotten the job if Bradford offered a strong objection and added that previous hints that the team wanted to bring in competition for Bradford weren’t about “challenging” a player that Fisher talked about as if he were on top of the depth chart. That approach doesn’t seem like one destined to make restructuring Bradford’s $13 million salary in 2015 an easy task, which may be why General Manager Les Snead went in a different direction on Wednesday’s edition of PFT Live.
Snead said that the team wants to have Bradford back in 2015 and that he plans to “chat” with the quarterback’s representatives about his contract, but stopped well short of saying that Bradford’s definitely the starter upon returning from two torn ACLs.
“I can’t say he’s top of the depth chart because he’s missed 25 [of the last 32] games,” Snead said.
Jason LaCanfora of CBS Sports reports that Bradford’s been given the green light to explore possible trades, although his current contract and medical uncertainty make it hard to imagine that too many teams will be lining up to give St. Louis assets for the right to acquire Bradford. If the Rams and Bradford can agree on a deal that cuts his salary while offering the ability to make some or all of it back through incentives, his return for a sixth year in St. Louis seems like the likeliest outcome.
Well good news that he has the green light to seek a trade. Hope he calls the jets and that the Rams want nothing more than a third.
Agree totally..but honestly...if we get shut out of Winston/Mariota..what else is out there in draft or FA? not much and even if they get a Hundley/Grayson/ whoever later in draft....Geno would probablt still start early....
He had a signing last year, awesome dude. I love his work.
It can't get any worse my man. I'd rather see what another young buck has to offer than play the same record and hear the same old song.
100%. Foles plus another 1st next season. absolutely. I would still draft Bryce Petty in the 2nd as well. I'd rather have options at the QB position.
It would suck if we would trade for Foles then god forbid the guy gets injured and we have to watch another hooro of a season with Geno as our starter.
Yeah, I have a lot of signed work by him. I catch him in NYC every October at Jacob Javits.
It all boils down to this, there are no FA QBs worth even signing really that I think can beat out Geno or Winston or Mariota, if we so managed to get either of them. We all have our doubts seriously in Geno. Majority of us have doubts in Winston and Mariota also, more so Mariota. With this said, if Winston is available at #6 then ofcourse you draft him. That's a no brainer but you don't trade up for him. To much of a risk in trading up for Winston.
Mariota is a big question mark at #6 because can he handle any other offense besides the Chip Kelly, Oregon offense? Also can he handle the NY-NJ media and fan pressure? Its like no other place in the NFL and we all know that. So if this phila trade is a possibility the Jets have to go with it. Both Winston and Mariota have their question marks, Geno appears to be pure garbage and there is no better vet QB out there better then Foles. Plus the Jets can get multiple drafts from Phila. Mehta thinks a first and second for this year and next plus a 26 year old proven QB in Nick Foles. Its a no brained people.
Mariota is a big question mark at #6 because can he handle any other offense besides the Chip Kelly, Oregon offense? Also can he handle the NY-NJ media and fan pressure? Its like no other place in the NFL and we all know that. So if this phila trade is a possibility the Jets have to go with it. Both Winston and Mariota have their question marks, Geno appears to be pure garbage and there is no better vet QB out there better then Foles. Plus the Jets can get multiple drafts from Phila. Mehta thinks a first and second for this year and next plus a 26 year old proven QB in Nick Foles. Its a no brained people.
Agreed.
No way. If the Jets are fortunate enough to get Foles and multiple draft picks for the #6 spot, why waist a high draft pick on Petty or any other QB when there are so many other position to fill on the roster. Foles is a proven 26 year old QB that was only injured last year (if I'm correct). So he's not injury proned and proven he can get the job done. If the Jets can pull this off, go with Foles, Geno and Simms. If the new regime wants any more insurance, sign a vet QB at bare minimum if possible or draft a QB in the 6th or 7th round. Getting Foles may not insure we have a franchise QB but it does insure we have a very good and reliable QB for ten years plus.
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Whatever they do as long as they get rid of the West Virginia BUST, I'm OK with it
I agree that the above scenario is an absolute no-brainer. What I don't agree with is that Philly and Chip Kelly are dumb enough to agree to such a deal. It is so lopsided. One can make an argument that Foles has a higher NFL ceiling than Mariota, let alone to start throwing in multiple high round picks.
If you were a Philly fan would you pull the trigger on that deal? Would you be furious if your GM did?
If you thought you saw a lynch mob mentality with Idzik, just wait to you see what happens in the city of brotherly love when their GM signs off on that trade. It's pure fantasy; won't happen.
Im with you, if the media tells you in January something is definitely going to happen in the APril draft, it's probably not going to happen. What makes the scenario plausible (i.e. even worth reading) if that Chip has been constantly reluctant to go with Foles. He obviously didnt draft him, picked Vick the year before we got him over Foles (so he was still horrible Mike Vick who didn't even complete 50% of his passes for them), and when Foles returned last year...Sanchez stayed in. He has also refused to commit to Foles for 2015.
Now, will the Eagles really mortgage the future like Mehta would lead us to believe for Mariota? I doubt it. If they were, they'd be talking to the titans, not the Jets. What I could see happen is a much smaller deal than what's being reported, this year's #1 , Foles, and a 3rd rd pick next year that goes to a #2 based on player performance. Something like that if Mariota falls. Now maybe that is also a pipe dream, Im not disagreeing with you there, but I dont think its completely out of the realm to think Chip Kelly may try to snag his guy to finally have a QB he feels comfortable with...Spurrier did the same thing with Danny Wuerffel with the skins. I wont say the trade possibility is impossible, just maybe unlikely.
That's much more realistic. We're not getting their next year's one; no way.
I see a scenario where we swap 1st rounders and pick up their 2nd and 4th rounders this year. That way we can retain Harvin (if they want) and still retain a pick in the 4th round, where good players will still be available.
Of course, until we get further info, I think we would jump on Mariota at 6 if he drops. That means Philly needs to jump to at least #5 , making this discussion all moot.
I see a scenario where we swap 1st rounders and pick up their 2nd and 4th rounders this year. That way we can retain Harvin (if they want) and still retain a pick in the 4th round, where good players will still be available.
Of course, until we get further info, I think we would jump on Mariota at 6 if he drops. That means Philly needs to jump to at least #5 , making this discussion all moot.
Well, I dont think they jump to 5 as some have stated because they're not going to send a slew of draft picks to the Skins. Then the question becomes, does Titans, Raiders, or Jags want to drop from 2, 3, and 4 to #20 when Foles isn't useful to them (or as useful) and they desperately need a franchise player like Williams DT or Gregory DE...that would cost the Eagles a bunch of picks they may not want to give up...but they do want to give up Foles...and we really need Foles...
I think it will interesting. Truth be told, the Eagles probably dont even want mariota that bad.
I agree with most of this. Where I would differ is for some reason Eagle fans can no stand Foles. From things I have read they would love to see him gone.