QB Prospects - who are the comparables for success and failure?
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Josh Allen: Bust- Ryan Mallet. Boom- Cam Newton
Sam Darnold: Bust- Mark Sanchez. Boom- John Elway
Josh Rosen: Bust- Mike Glennon. Boom- Peyton Manning
Baker Mayfield: Bust- Chase Daniel. Boom- Russell Wilson
Lamar Jackson: Bust- Terrel Pryor (as a QB). Boom- Michael Vick.
Sam Darnold: Bust- Mark Sanchez. Boom- John Elway
Josh Rosen: Bust- Mike Glennon. Boom- Peyton Manning
Baker Mayfield: Bust- Chase Daniel. Boom- Russell Wilson
Lamar Jackson: Bust- Terrel Pryor (as a QB). Boom- Michael Vick.
Sam Darnold will be Marcus Mariota or Ryan Fitzpatrick
Josh Rosen will be Eli Manning or Mike Glennon
Josh Allen will be Ben Roethlisberger or Jeff George
Baker Mayfield will be Drew Brees or Johnny Manziel
Lamar Jackson will be Michael Vick (minus the dog fighting) or Ray Lucas
Josh Rosen will be Eli Manning or Mike Glennon
Josh Allen will be Ben Roethlisberger or Jeff George
Baker Mayfield will be Drew Brees or Johnny Manziel
Lamar Jackson will be Michael Vick (minus the dog fighting) or Ray Lucas
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Baker Mayfield
Bust: Johnny Manziel (The talent is undeniable, sometimes awe inspiring, but will he self destruct?)
Boom: Brett Favre (Gunslinger from the word GO, incredibly accurate with downfield passes, a thrill a minute)
Josh Allen
Bust: Bobby Douglass (Size, mobility, cannon for an arm, but couldn't hit water if he fell from a boat)
Boom: John Elway (Big, strong, mobile and a cannon for an arm, but has to improve his accuracy)
Josh Rosen
Bust: Jamarcus Russell (Gets paid and goes in the tank, because he doesn't love football)
Boom: Joe Montana (To watch him throw is a thing of beauty, no kidding, its truly a thing of beauty)
Sam Darnold
Bust: Mark Sanchez (Overhyped USC California kid whose confidence is easily shattered, by his own admission, when things don't go his way)
Boom: Phillip Rivers (May be prone to the occasional INT, but has the talent to overcome it and hang 30+ on any defense)
Lamar Jackson
Bust: RG3 (Incredible athlete and pretty good passer too, but instincts to run gets him killed and shortens his career)
Boom: Steve Young/Roger Staubach (Runs when he has too, and really well, otherwise learns to tear you a new ass from the pocket)
Bust: Johnny Manziel (The talent is undeniable, sometimes awe inspiring, but will he self destruct?)
Boom: Brett Favre (Gunslinger from the word GO, incredibly accurate with downfield passes, a thrill a minute)
Josh Allen
Bust: Bobby Douglass (Size, mobility, cannon for an arm, but couldn't hit water if he fell from a boat)
Boom: John Elway (Big, strong, mobile and a cannon for an arm, but has to improve his accuracy)
Josh Rosen
Bust: Jamarcus Russell (Gets paid and goes in the tank, because he doesn't love football)
Boom: Joe Montana (To watch him throw is a thing of beauty, no kidding, its truly a thing of beauty)
Sam Darnold
Bust: Mark Sanchez (Overhyped USC California kid whose confidence is easily shattered, by his own admission, when things don't go his way)
Boom: Phillip Rivers (May be prone to the occasional INT, but has the talent to overcome it and hang 30+ on any defense)
Lamar Jackson
Bust: RG3 (Incredible athlete and pretty good passer too, but instincts to run gets him killed and shortens his career)
Boom: Steve Young/Roger Staubach (Runs when he has too, and really well, otherwise learns to tear you a new ass from the pocket)
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Listened to Kiper on today’s Michael Kay show, and his take on Josh Allen:
Wyoming lost four starters at key positions prior to last season, and it killed that team. Wyoming is no USC. You can’t lose good players and replace them the same way that a powerhouse recruiting college can. Also Kiper downplayed the completion %. He referenced Favre and Montana as guys who also had low completion %’s and it ended up not mattering because they were both great QB’s.
Kiper said Allen would be his pick at #1.
Like him or not, Kiper has a good track record on these college players.
Wyoming lost four starters at key positions prior to last season, and it killed that team. Wyoming is no USC. You can’t lose good players and replace them the same way that a powerhouse recruiting college can. Also Kiper downplayed the completion %. He referenced Favre and Montana as guys who also had low completion %’s and it ended up not mattering because they were both great QB’s.
Kiper said Allen would be his pick at #1.
Like him or not, Kiper has a good track record on these college players.
Thanks man, much appreciated
Wouldn't surprise me in the least if Allen goes #1 Overall.
As much as I love Mayfield, I have been saying for months that of all of the BIG 4 QB's in this draft, Josh Allen, BY FAR, has the highest ceiling.
He also might be the least NFL ready of the bunch, but nobody in this draft has more impressive physical skills.
Size, strength, mobility and a cannon for an arm, physically he is the whole package.
Green Jets & Ham;n160721 said:
Love your comparison. Here’s my take, no real thought process and just winging it here:
Josh Rosen:
Boom: Aaron Rodgers
Bust: Alex Smith
Josh Allen:
Boom: Dan Marino
Bust: Jemarcus Russell
Sam Darnold:
Boom: Jim Kelly
Bust: Jeff George
Baker Mayfield:
Boom: Russell Wilson
Bust: Mark Sanchez
Lamar Jackson:
Boom: Steve Young
Bust: RG3
Mason Rudolph:
Boom: Tom Brady
Bust: Ken O’Brien
That’s exactly what I’m saying. Smith is a decent QB, very decent!!! Not bad. The way they speak on this kid Rosen, his worst might be someone like Smith. Good to very good but not great. The rest may be better them what QBs as a bust I choice also.
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The Redskins think Alex Smith is pretty good. As in, better than Kirk Cousins. The guy who got 84 guaranteed.
Darnold
Bust - Sanchize
Boom - Montana
Rosen
Bust - Bradford
Boom - Rodgers
Mayfield
Bust - Manziel
Boom - Brees
Allen
Bust - Leaf
Boom - Elway
Jackson
Bust - Geno
Boom - Steve Young
Bust - Sanchize
Boom - Montana
Rosen
Bust - Bradford
Boom - Rodgers
Mayfield
Bust - Manziel
Boom - Brees
Allen
Bust - Leaf
Boom - Elway
Jackson
Bust - Geno
Boom - Steve Young
QB comparisons
RG3= Mayfield ,small running QB & hows RG3 now? Brady=Rosen, both slight build, pocket passing QB's only & needs big O Line for protection because they cant run and get hit much. Big Ben R.=Josh Allen, Both big guys that are durable when getting hit, both great arms, both can run & pass. So first 2 QB's Jets will have to rebuild again to play Mayfiel/Rosen style Football. While Allen is already set with this current Jets team next year. If Allen is there for Jets, they better take him & if Allen is gone? Better take Rosen & start building that O Line and hope he listens and learns like Brady.
RG3= Mayfield ,small running QB & hows RG3 now? Brady=Rosen, both slight build, pocket passing QB's only & needs big O Line for protection because they cant run and get hit much. Big Ben R.=Josh Allen, Both big guys that are durable when getting hit, both great arms, both can run & pass. So first 2 QB's Jets will have to rebuild again to play Mayfiel/Rosen style Football. While Allen is already set with this current Jets team next year. If Allen is there for Jets, they better take him & if Allen is gone? Better take Rosen & start building that O Line and hope he listens and learns like Brady.
Thanks GF! Mayfield-Rosen Jets will have to rebuild the Offense to fit their QB play. Mayfields RG3 play from shotgun & running small QB and hope he doesnt get hit by a 250lb LBer. Rosen slight build isnt thick size to take big hits either so a huge O Line to protect him. Allen has the arm & size to absorb hits in the pocket. I do like Darnold & Allen went to a QB coach to fix their play, Darnolds was ball handling & Allen's was footwork. Both looked the best & showed me they have incentive to get better. While Rosen-Mayfield just talked about themselves instead of going to a QB guru to see what they need to learn in playing at NFL level. Maybe its because Mayfield-Rosen feels they already know3 everything they need? Sanchez thought that & never learned not to telegraph his passes or hoe to read Defenses and audible against them.