Report: 'Influential' owners do not want Tom Brady's suspension reduced/ Brady MAY accept reduction

[Jet Fan RI]

Report: 'Influential' owners do not want Tom Brady's suspension reduced/ Brady MAY accept reduction

[h=1]http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...ers-want-tom-brady-suspension-kept-at-4-games
Report: 'Influential' owners do not want Tom Brady's suspension reduced[/h]By John Breech | CBSSports.com


July 23, 2015 12:48 am ET

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NFL commissioner Roger Goodell might be stuck between a rock and a hard place when it comes to Tom Brady.
If Goodell doesn't reduce Brady's four-game Deflategate suspension, the quarterback'slegal team and the NFLPA will likely take the NFL to court to get the suspension trimmed down to zero games.
On the other hand, if Goodell does reduce the four-game suspension, he could be in hot water with several NFL owners who don't want to see Brady's suspension reduced. That's right, several owners want Brady's suspension to stick.
According to ProFootballTalk, a "small handful of influential owners" want to see Brady's suspension stay at four games.
If Goodell decides to stick with the four-game suspension, he'll appease those owners, but he'll likely receive some blowback from the general public because then Brady's suspension will be as long as Greg Hardy's.
Hardy was suspended for 10 games in April after the NFL "determined that there was sufficient credible evidence that Hardy engaged in conduct that violated NFL policies in multiple respects and with aggravating circumstances" in relation to a domestic abuse charge.
That 10-game suspension was trimmed down to four games after an appeal though.
Besides the Hardy effect, Goodell will also have to deal with aforementioned legal situation if he decides not to reduce Brady's suspension and there will almost certainly be a legal situation.
NFLPA President Eric Winston made it clear on Wednesday that the player's association will be ready to make the next move if Goodell doesn't reduce the suspension.
"I hope they do the right thing, I hope they exonerate Tom and overturn his suspension, but if they don't we're prepared to take the next step." Winston told ProFootballTalk.
The easiest way out of this for Goodell would be a settlement with Brady's camp.
According to PFT, settlement talks have occurred, however, PFT did note that a settlement would be "unexpected" at this point.

Will Roger Goodell reduce Tom Brady's suspension? (USATSI)
Topics: Eric Winston, Greg Hardy, Tom Brady, Deflategate, New England Patriots, NFL

 

[SackExchange]

Giants and Steelers must be breaking ranks. Only three truly influential owners in the league, PIT, NE, and NYG.

Breech is making way too much of this public outcry if Brady's suspension is as long as Hardy's. Fans of 31 teams are sick of the Pars' cheating.

 

[Jet Fan RI]

Giants and Steelers must be breaking ranks. Only three truly influential owners in the league, PIT, NE, and NYG.

Breech is making way too much of this public outcry if Brady's suspension is as long as Hardy's. Fans of 31 teams are sick of the Pars' cheating.

Agreed. The cases are unrelated. The good news is the article I quoted in the "Punishment is in" thread says a compromise between the league and Brady's legal team would be "unexpected." I certainly hope it remains at 4 games. I had thought a season suspension would have been the proper punishment.

 

[SackExchange]

I thought eight games, and negotiate it down to 4. The punishments against the team, with the fine and the two picks, were too harsh. The suspension was too lenient. Starting at 4 lets Brady dare to dream of no games at all.

If he truly was innocent, he wouldn't be offering to pay a hefty fine to avoid the suspension. To him, it's all about the image. No suspension = integrity intact (at least in his mind).

It's obvious he knew about it, and took part in it. Whether his fingerprints are directly on this or not, I don't know. But for him to claim ignorance is ridiculous, almost as ridiculous as the deflator being about weight loss. Both the organization and the player look patently ridiculous fighting this so hard. If the league caves to the Patriots again, Goodell will be right there with them.

 

[Jet Fan RI]

I thought eight games, and negotiate it down to 4. The punishments against the team, with the fine and the two picks, were too harsh. The suspension was too lenient. Starting at 4 lets Brady dare to dream of no games at all.

If he truly was innocent, he wouldn't be offering to pay a hefty fine to avoid the suspension. To him, it's all about the image. No suspension = integrity intact (at least in his mind).

It's obvious he knew about it, and took part in it. Whether his fingerprints are directly on this or not, I don't know. But for him to claim ignorance is ridiculous, almost as ridiculous as the deflator being about weight loss. Both the organization and the player look patently ridiculous fighting this so hard. If the league caves to the Patriots again, Goodell will be right there with them.

I disagree the team punishment was too harsh. Are you forgetting the spygate conviction? Second offense against a team warrants severe punishment. They should have lost a 1st rounder in both the years.

As for Brady, even if he could make a case he didn't know about it (and I agree that seems unlikely), a 4-game suspension just for failing to cooperate with the investigation seems easily justifiable on those grounds alone.

 

[SackExchange]

Well, it's only a second offense if you ignore the substitution violations, the violations regarding practice time and non-contact, the blatant ignoring of injury report rules, and the violation of suspending a player for being late to a voluntary OTA.

That said, a first, third, and $1MM was not proportional to the offense.

 

[johnnysd]

Well, it's only a second offense if you ignore the substitution violations, the violations regarding practice time and non-contact, the blatant ignoring of injury report rules, and the violation of suspending a player for being late to a voluntary OTA.

That said, a first, third, and $1MM was not proportional to the offense.

Depends on whether you view it as a one time event, or something systemic NE did. In my view, it was obviously systemic so the punishment was very lenient. If Goodell does another "solid" for Kraft it could end his reign.

 

[JohnnyBaseball1]

No matter what the outcome, Brady should absolutely lose his "golden boy" status in the NFL. Cheating, and threatening to sue the league when you get caught and suspended? I'd be damned pissed if I was an NFL official. A subtle punishment would be for the league to remove the special treatment that he obviously gets from the refs.

 

[Mainejet]

What in the world has Brady proven that warrants his suspension being reduced? What does he have? I have seen nothing. Other than some other biased groups claiming that Brady was wrongfully convicted, what does he have?

As far as I am concerned the guy that investigated the claims was unbiased and created an objective report on what likely happened. The only people questioning it are NE fans. As we've all come to know, who gives a f*ck what NE fans think. They're a bunch of retards. They're still denial about the Patsies cheating from 2000 through 2007. They refuse to admit anything and they always try to play the victim. It's symptomatic of a masshole. It's ALWAYS someone else's fault. Massholes have NEVER done ANYTHING wrong. In this case, they want Brady on the field, so they treat it like THEY are being persecuted.

Most people from Maine can tell you anything you need to know about Massholes. All of those cockroaches make their way into Maine every weekend. Most Mainers think they should send every idiot from Mass back into their state and then make the entire state a parking lot.

 

[Jet Fan RI]

What in the world has Brady proven that warrants his suspension being reduced? What does he have? I have seen nothing. Other than some other biased groups claiming that Brady was wrongfully convicted, what does he have?

As far as I am concerned the guy that investigated the claims was unbiased and created an objective report on what likely happened. The only people questioning it are NE fans. As we've all come to know, who gives a f*ck what NE fans think. They're a bunch of retards. They're still denial about the Patsies cheating from 2000 through 2007. They refuse to admit anything and they always try to play the victim. It's symptomatic of a masshole. It's ALWAYS someone else's fault. Massholes have NEVER done ANYTHING wrong. In this case, they want Brady on the field, so they treat it like THEY are being persecuted.

Most people from Maine can tell you anything you need to know about Massholes. All of those cockroaches make their way into Maine every weekend. Most Mainers think they should send every idiot from Mass back into their state and then make the entire state a parking lot.

If you think Maine has it bad, you should give RI a try. We're a tourist state, and Mass. borders us on two sides. Massholes all over the place.

 

[SackExchange]

Well, Maine was part of Mass. before the Missouri Compromise. RI are the true renegades of New England, along with Vermont (a land that NH and NY once fought over).

 

[HYATT™]

Giants and Steelers must be breaking ranks. Only three truly influential owners in the league, PIT, NE, and NYG.

Not quite that few.

King Jerry owns 48% or 49% of the NFL Network, which is a cash cow for the entire league. DAL is also the 2nd or 3rd most profitable franchise, depending on how you count Bobby Kraft's wealth generated by the surrounds of Gillette Stadium.

Mark Murphy of the Packers is in the unique position of having the ONLY publicly accessible books and depending on how he manages those books, can change the public perception of how wealthy or poverty-stricken NFL owners appear to be. This gives him an enormous amount of power, especially come CBA negotiations time.
That, aside from the fact that Green Bay is the crown jewel, THE "flagship franchise", of the NFL with the most titles, the winner of the first 2 AFL-NFL Championship games. the team who's Legendary GM & HC the Super Bowl Trophy is named after, & the only club to ever manage a 3-peat (2X) - if you forget about CLE's 4 consecutive AAFC Championships from 1946-1949.

Daniel Snyder rakes in more cash from merchandising than even King Jones in DAL does, almost $75M more per year. WAS is the most profitable of all 32 clubs and while he is a n00b in terms of NFL ownership, money ALWAYS talks.

The DeBartelo family, (as the inheritor of the [Carlos] Marcello, [Santos] Trafficante, and [Meyer] Lansky mob-money laundering banking empire in Florida), own a LOT of judges and politicians, which are always crucial to a corporation that lands in court as often as the NFL does.
Even though Eddie was banned from the league for corrupt practices when he got busted bribing Louisiana public officials to get a gaming license, his sister still owns & runs the team.

While Dead Al in OAK had a lot of power over the NFL because of his force of personality, his son Mark Davis still holds the connections to organized crime his father used to bully other owners with in his day.
Though HYATT™ suspects those ties are a lot weaker than they were during Dead Al's heyday, they are still influential ones on the West Coast.

That's at least 5 more VERY influential NFL franchise owners, in addition to the Mara, Rooney, & Kraft families.
While Mara & Rooney are highly RESPECTED for their length of involvement in the NFL, it is only their combined families, (merged in marriage), acting in concert, that give them as much power as they've retained.

 

[Jet Fan RI]

Well, Maine was part of Mass. before the Missouri Compromise. RI are the true renegades of New England, along with Vermont (a land that NH and NY once fought over).

You may be right. All hail Roger Williams.

 

[SackExchange]

Not quite that few.

King Jerry owns 48% or 49% of the NFL Network, which is a cash cow for the entire league. DAL is also the 2nd or 3rd most profitable franchise, depending on how you count Bobby Kraft's wealth generated by the surrounds of Gillette Stadium.

Mark Murphy of the Packers is in the unique position of having the ONLY publicly accessible books and depending on how he manages those books, can change the public perception of how wealthy or poverty-stricken NFL owners appear to be. This gives him an enormous amount of power, especially come CBA negotiations time.
That, aside from the fact that Green Bay is the crown jewel, THE "flagship franchise", of the NFL with the most titles, the winner of the first 2 AFL-NFL Championship games. the team who's Legendary GM & HC the Super Bowl Trophy is named after, & the only club to ever manage a 3-peat (2X) - if you forget about CLE's 4 consecutive AAFC Championships from 1946-1949.

Daniel Snyder rakes in more cash from merchandising than even King Jones in DAL does, almost $75M more per year. WAS is the most profitable of all 32 clubs and while he is a n00b in terms of NFL ownership, money ALWAYS talks.

The DeBartelo family, (as the inheritor of the [Carlos] Marcello, [Santos] Trafficante, and [Meyer] Lansky mob-money laundering banking empire in Florida), own a LOT of judges and politicians, which are always crucial to a corporation that lands in court as often as the NFL does.
Even though Eddie was banned from the league for corrupt practices when he got busted bribing Louisiana public officials to get a gaming license, his sister still owns & runs the team.

While Dead Al in OAK had a lot of power over the NFL because of his force of personality, his son Mark Davis still holds the connections to organized crime his father used to bully other owners with in his day.
Though HYATT™ suspects those ties are a lot weaker than they were during Dead Al's heyday, they are still influential ones on the West Coast.

That's at least 5 more VERY influential NFL franchise owners, in addition to the Mara, Rooney, & Kraft families.
While Mara & Rooney are highly RESPECTED for their length of involvement in the NFL, it is only their combined families, (merged in marriage), acting in concert, that give them as much power as they've retained.

Well, their presumed power didn't stop Jones and Snyder from being sanctioned by the league for violating a salary cap in a season when there was no salary cap. That was an extremely arbitrary decision by Goodell to punish those two teams for violating something that didn't exist.

 

[HYATT™]

Well, their presumed power didn't stop Jones and Snyder from being sanctioned by the league for violating a salary cap in a season when there was no salary cap. That was an extremely arbitrary decision by Goodell to punish those two teams for violating something that didn't exist.

Methinks that was coming from the owners themselves.
They've long fought for a salary cap and Jerry & Snyder are about the only 2 owners who are against it.
With good reason.
The other owners would go broke trying to keep up with those spendthrift fools.
They are the Steinbrenners of the NFL.

More teams than just DAL & WAS violated the non-existant cap in 2010, but nobody violated it to the MASSIVE degree those 2 did.
Almost a dozen teams went as much as $5M-$10M over but DAL & WAS went like $40M & $50M over.


2010 extension of the 2009 salary cap was unofficially, (monopoly collusion, much?), $128M + any unused cap from the previous 2009 season - which accounts for SOME teams appearing to overspend but not getting punished for it, because they didn't ACTUALLY overspend.
HYATT™ does not know, offhand, which teams those were.
Spending matters.
Only PIT, of the (4) teams appearing in the 2010 Conference Championship games, was under the cap completely.
The only other 2 teams in the divisional round that were under the cap, (BAL & ATL), both lost in that round.
The honorable Chiefs lost in the WC round to another team that honored the cap - BAL.

Punished
Redskins: $178.2 million. ($50.2M over)
Cowboys: $166.5 million. ($38.5M over)

Named, but not assessed any penalties.
HYATT™ assumes they had enough carry-over to keep them under under $10M of overspending - though New Orleans got some pretty harsh language used about their 2009 cap "irregularities", in the final report on overspending.
Saints: $145.0 million. ($17M over)
Vikings: $143.4 million. ($15.4M over)
Seahawks: $138.8 million. ($10.8M over)
Jets: $135.7 million. ($7.7M over)

Still over the cap but no objections raised, likely due to the carry-over making them compliant.
One could argue the Packers title is tainted by overspending, since they had very little carry-over that HYATT™ was aware of. Maybe $3M or so.
Packers: $135.3 million.
Raiders: $135.2 million.
Colts: $133.1 million.
Bears: $131.9 million.

Probably too close to even call.
Most teams carry a minimum of $3M just for injury-replacement emergencies late in the season.
Eagles: $131.0 million.
Patriots: $128.8 million.
Giants: $128.6 million.

Completely under the 2009 cap amount.
49ers: $125.9 million.
Dolphins: $123.8 million.
Texans: $123.1 million.
Lions: $122.9 million.
Steelers: $122.9 million.
Browns: $122.8 million.
Ravens: $122.3 million.
Falcons: $118.5 million.
Titans: $118.0 million.
Panthers: $110.9 million.
Rams: $109.1 million.
Chargers: $108.0 million.
Bills: $105.3 million.
Broncos: $102.9 million.
Bengals: $100.8 million.
Cardinals: $97.8 million.
Jaguars: $89.5 million.
Chiefs: $84.5 million.
Buccaneers: $80.8 million.

 

[SackExchange]

That is all fine and good, but if there is no salary cap, how does any team violate it? The cap was fictitious that year. It was an uncapped year. Projections are just that, projections.

Yes, the Cowboys and Skins were most egregious in their spending, but they didn't violate any rule. They violated a theoretical.

 

[Jet Fan RI]

Report: NFL believes Tom Brady will accept a shorter suspension

Report: NFL believes Tom Brady will accept a shorter suspension

[h=1]http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25249432/report-nfl-believes-tom-brady-will-accept-a-reduced-suspension
Report: NFL believes Tom Brady will accept a shorter suspension[/h]By John Breech | CBSSports.com


July 24, 2015 2:26 pm ET

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Settlement talks between Tom Brady and the NFL have gone nowhere so far, but that could change soon.
According to Bleacher Report's Jason Cole, the league believes Brady will eventually accept a deal that would involve Brady's four-game suspension being reduced. Although the potential deal would cut down Brady's suspension, it wouldn't reduce it to zero and Brady would still miss games.
The NFL's belief, according to Cole, is that Brady will want to get a deal done before training camp so that he can focus exclusively on football. Under that timeline, a deal between Brady and the NFL would have to be done by July 29, when the Patriots veterans are scheduled to report to camp.
One of the sticking points in the settlement talks so far is that league doesn't want to agree to a deal unless there's an "admission of guilt by Brady on some level," according to NFL.com.
How do you solve that problem? According to Cole, Brady would likely sign off on a deal that suspends him for not cooperating with the league during the Ted Wells investigation, but in the potential deal, Brady wouldn't admit to any wrongdoing as Deflategate.
Basically, Brady would say, "I didn't cooperate with the league investigation, I understand why I'm being punished," but he wouldn't admit to guilt as far as deflating footballs.
ESPN.com had previously reported that Brady would be open to a deal that involved him paying a fine, instead of facing any suspension. However, when the NFLPA made that suggestion to the NFL recently, the offer was met with 'Silence,' according to ESPN.
A possible settlement doesn't seem out of the question either.
When ProFootballTalk originally reported on Wednesday that settlement talks had occurred, PFT noted that although a settlement would be "unexpected," it wouldn't be completely shocking to see one get "worked out."
The only thing slowing things down at this point could be the group of anonymous 'influential' owners who want to see Brady's suspension stick at four games.
As for Brady, he seems pretty relaxed as he waits for the final ruling on his appeal.

It's been a relaxing week for Tom Brady. (Facebook/TomBrady)
Topics: Tom Brady, Deflategate, New England Patriots, NFL

 

[Elias]

[h=1]http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25249432/report-nfl-believes-tom-brady-will-accept-a-reduced-suspension
Report: NFL believes Tom Brady will accept a shorter suspension[/h]By John Breech | CBSSports.com


July 24, 2015 2:26 pm ET

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Settlement talks between Tom Brady and the NFL have gone nowhere so far, but that could change soon.
According to Bleacher Report's Jason Cole, the league believes Brady will eventually accept a deal that would involve Brady's four-game suspension being reduced. Although the potential deal would cut down Brady's suspension, it wouldn't reduce it to zero and Brady would still miss games.
The NFL's belief, according to Cole, is that Brady will want to get a deal done before training camp so that he can focus exclusively on football. Under that timeline, a deal between Brady and the NFL would have to be done by July 29, when the Patriots veterans are scheduled to report to camp.
One of the sticking points in the settlement talks so far is that league doesn't want to agree to a deal unless there's an "admission of guilt by Brady on some level," according to NFL.com.
How do you solve that problem? According to Cole, Brady would likely sign off on a deal that suspends him for not cooperating with the league during the Ted Wells investigation, but in the potential deal, Brady wouldn't admit to any wrongdoing as Deflategate.
Basically, Brady would say, "I didn't cooperate with the league investigation, I understand why I'm being punished," but he wouldn't admit to guilt as far as deflating footballs.
ESPN.com had previously reported that Brady would be open to a deal that involved him paying a fine, instead of facing any suspension. However, when the NFLPA made that suggestion to the NFL recently, the offer was met with 'Silence,' according to ESPN.
A possible settlement doesn't seem out of the question either.
When ProFootballTalk originally reported on Wednesday that settlement talks had occurred, PFT noted that although a settlement would be "unexpected," it wouldn't be completely shocking to see one get "worked out."
The only thing slowing things down at this point could be the group of anonymous 'influential' owners who want to see Brady's suspension stick at four games.
As for Brady, he seems pretty relaxed as he waits for the final ruling on his appeal.

It's been a relaxing week for Tom Brady. (Facebook/TomBrady)
Topics: Tom Brady, Deflategate, New England Patriots, NFL

Thanks for the article. As expected this will be just a slap on his wrist.

 

[sg3]

Hopefully the league has a secret meeting with game officials and tells them to call the Pats for offensive holding even if it's 30 times a game and to allow defensive players to hit Tammy high, low, in the vagina and anywhere else during or after she is throwing passes


A cheating pariah needs to suffer some pain for defying the league

 

[Jet Fan RI]

Thanks for the article. As expected this will be just a slap on his wrist.

And thanks for the thanks.But I really think this should have remained as a separate thread.