Report: Philip Rivers informed Chargers he will not play in LA
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Adam Schein with a pretty good take on the Rivers rumors.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...o-tennessee-titans-gms-debunk-senseless-rumor
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap30...o-tennessee-titans-gms-debunk-senseless-rumor
He is a top 6-7 QB in the NFL. I agree.
It sounds like the Chargers are getting their new stadium in San Diego; however, by the time it's built Rivers will be eyeing retirement.
Go Jets...Cyborg
Go Jets...Cyborg
I believe this trade with Tennesee is going to happen. It all adds up. Rivers would finish his career near his hometown, get a chance to play with Whisenhunt, and the Chargers start over with Mariota.
Of all the rumors, I believe this one has legs.
Of all the rumors, I believe this one has legs.
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I don't get it? I have lived in LA and in SD for months on end and I can tell you there are nice areas and not so nice areas. What would be the major sin for Rivers having his family in LA? The guy makes a sh*tload of cash and he'll be able to insure his family lives in the best neighborhood and goes to the best private schools. You certainly cannot argue with the weather. Something tells me this story might b overblown.
But one thing is for sure......
The SD taxpayers are solidly against paying for a new stadium. I think that is the right approach. Any millionaire/billionaire that can afford to buy an NFL team can ALSO afford to buy a stadium or at least take the necessary risk in getting money from the bank.
But one thing is for sure......
The SD taxpayers are solidly against paying for a new stadium. I think that is the right approach. Any millionaire/billionaire that can afford to buy an NFL team can ALSO afford to buy a stadium or at least take the necessary risk in getting money from the bank.
Latest rumor is Rivers is considering this being his last year and retiring.
Jim Rome talked about it (ad nauseum, as usual) the other day. Difference between LA and SD is pretty significant. San Diego is where you raise 7 kids. LA is where you sow your wild oats in your 20's. (Generally speaking). Property values are higher in LA, and the smog sucks. LA is not for everyone. It's like NYC that way.
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Sure. For someone in their 20's. Rivers has childen, not adults in their 20's. Once again, with the amount of money he makes, he can afford to send his kids to the very best private schools in LA. And trust me, there's most normally a haze of smog each and every day over San Diego as well. Property values are merely relative. He'll pay more when he's buying, but he'll get more when he's selling.
Call me nuts, but what if this would occur:
-Jets trade their 6th overall pick, Next years one and Mo Wilkerson to the Titans for the #2 overall pick.
-Select Marcus Mariota and trade him to the Chargers for Philip Rivers and their 1st next year. (Not This years)
Giving us a legit QB for 4-5 years to make us competitive at a shot at the Superbowl. We'll still have a 1st in '16.
We'd give up a franchise DL for a franchise QB we've coveted since '69.
THOUGHTS?
-Jets trade their 6th overall pick, Next years one and Mo Wilkerson to the Titans for the #2 overall pick.
-Select Marcus Mariota and trade him to the Chargers for Philip Rivers and their 1st next year. (Not This years)
Giving us a legit QB for 4-5 years to make us competitive at a shot at the Superbowl. We'll still have a 1st in '16.
We'd give up a franchise DL for a franchise QB we've coveted since '69.
THOUGHTS?
You can find a nice place to live and raise your kids anywhere...but maybe being part of a franchise moving to LA isn't what he wants to do at his age...this could also be posturing on both sides during back room contract extension Negotiations, which I'm guessing are getting ugly.
That's awful. If we take Mariota we stay with the pick. Why trade one of the best linemen in the NFL? For a whiny QB who chokes in the playoffs?
We'd be atleast competitive. This team is well built all around. We cannot win this year without a consistent QB. I love Wilk, don't get me wrong, but I'd much rather have a QB who is well rounded and experienced than to go through growing pains with Mariota, and when he (if he ever) gets it, Wilk will be past his prime.
In the years we've had Mo, we've seen no playoff due to the lack of QB production. I would be willing to give up a player like Wilkerson for a legit QB who atleast gives us the opportunity at a chance in the playoffs.
Lets be honest, Geno can't do that. Fitz is atleast a stop gap and would give us 7-8 wins this year. Philip would give us an instant 12 win season with the team that Mac has assembled.
Unless we find a Brady in the draft who can step in this year and give us a magical season. Truth is, any QB we acquire in 11 days, will have to be groomed. 2-3 years. Meaning, D'Brick, Mangold, Revis, Cro, Decker, Marshall, Harris, our key leaders will possibly be long gone from their prime.
I'd rather make the best out of the next 2-3 seasons and utilized all of these players plus our young picks. Draft a QB in the later rounds and have him sit and learn from one of the best QB's in history instead of going back and forth with Geno and Fitz.
I honestly highly doubt that we trade for Rivers, but IMHO, this would be the best scenario. We can live without Wilkerson if we landed an elite QB to make us relevant for the next 2-3 even 4years.
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And if the reports are true, then I believe you are correct. He would just prefer to be closer to his original home at this late juncture in his career unless the Chargers are really willing to anti up.
Again, this looks like Rivers saying pay me or im gone and Chargers saying fine, we'll take a hot rookie prospect then and send you to Siberia...seems like negotiations not going well and getting ugly...I dont think either side blinks and they get a deal done and Rivers in the end says he never wanted to be anywhere else...
Rivers, Chargers continue to do an apparent contract mating dance
Posted by Mike Florio on April 19, 2015, 8:42 AM EDT
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One month and two days ago, jarring news emerged from San Diego: Chargers quarterback Philip Rivers said he has no plans to extend his contract before it expires after the current season — and that he has real concerns about moving his family to Los Angeles. Coupled with the team’s decision to take a closer look at Oregon quarterback Marcus Mariota, the facts quickly and naturally led to speculation that the Chargers could trade Rivers to Tennessee for the second overall pick in the draft.
While the story and its potential implications failed to quickly resonate on a widespread basis, the media gradually has recognized the significance of the story. Left unexplored, however, is the notion that the story is more about laying the foundation for a new contract than it is about Rivers ending his career with a team other than the Chargers.
As one well-connected source explained it to PFT within the past two weeks, far more likely than an imminent divorce between Rivers and the Chargers is the likelihood that player and team have launched a mating dance aimed at getting him signed beyond 2015. Rivers knows, if the Chargers move to L.A., that he’ll instantly have more value to a team that will be trying to win hearts, minds, and wallets in the nation’s No. 2 market — possibly in direct competition with the Rams or the Raiders. The Chargers know it, too, but they also know that they won’t be getting extra salary-cap space to accommodate a player’s belief that he has more value to a team in L.A. than he does in San Diego, no matter how accurate that belief is.
Let’s consider one of the first quotes from Rivers, assuming that he’s not thinking about leaving but about leverage.
“I guess things could change, but with all the uncertainty in many aspects, I don’t see it changing before camp gets here, and when camp gets here I’m even more certain to play it out,” Rivers told Acee only four days after the Steelers gave quarterback Ben Roethlisberger a massive, market-value contract.
“Things could change,” Rivers conceded. But if things don’t change before camp opens, he’s not negotiating a new contract. In other words (possibly), if the Chargers give Rivers what he wants on a new deal before training camp, he’ll sign on the dotted line.
In more than a month, not much has developed in the way of potential suitors for Rivers. Some have suggested that he’d be worth two first-round draft picks, a package that a franchise desperate for a franchise quarterback should be willing to instantly sacrifice.
Without a long-term deal, however, it would be a one-year rental with the availability of the franchise tag thereafter. Besides, while a team like the Browns could be gung-ho about the possibility of adding Rivers to the very long list of starting quarterbacks since 1999, Rivers may have no interest in playing for the Browns or any other team that resides a long way from the land of contention.
Some have suggested Rivers wants out because of the quality of the team around him. But what other team out there is a high-end quarterback away from instantly contending for a Super Bowl? Maybe the Texans, possibly the Bills. Neither team’s name has come up — at all — in the past 33 days. For the most part, the teams that would be most interested in Rivers don’t have the kind of supporting cast that would help him get to where he never has been.
Which brings us back to the Titans. Apart from Nashville’s proximity to his hometown, why would Rivers want to play for Tennessee? Arguably, they’re improving on defense with the arrival of Dick LeBeau and several free agents, but they’ve got a long way to go on both sides of the ball to become competitive in the AFC South, and in the AFC generally.
From the Chargers’ perspective, how can they trade Rivers without getting a potential franchise quarterback in return? That’s possibly why the Chargers have created the impression that they would be interested in trading Rivers to the Titans. With the second overall pick, the Titans would be guaranteed to get a possible Rivers replacement.
Some wonder whether the end game for the Titans isn’t Mariota but Jameis Winston, with a Rivers deal getting them to No. 2 and then another deal getting them to No. 1.
Moving up to one of the first two picks becomes dangerous territory for the Chargers, who know a thing or two about using the No. 2 overall pick on a quarterback. In 1998, they climbed up one spot to get in striking distance for Peyton Manning or Ryan Leaf. The Colts took Manning, the Chargers took Leaf, and the rest is a very ugly period in San Diego history.
Still, if the Chargers were intent on trading up to No. 2, it could have been accomplished by now. Rivers would need a new contract in Tennessee, but his agent represents Titans coach Ken Whisenhunt and Titans G.M. Ruston Webster. Which means that getting Rivers signed over the long haul in Tennessee arguably would be the easiest part of this process. The real question is whether the Chargers truly want to move Rivers, and whether Rivers truly wants to move to a new team.
The fact that more than a month has passed since the story first hit the NFL’s radar screen without anything tangible happening suggests that contract leverage remains the major part of the equation. Why else would writers in San Diego now be talking about Rivers retiring in lieu of moving to Los Angeles? With no serious trade discussions happening (yet) and the Chargers not throwing a huge pile of money at Rivers, his other potential ammunition for getting the team’s attention comes from the School of Favre.
Whether it’s Rivers, Mariota, or someone else, the Chargers can’t go to Los Angeles in 2016 without a franchise quarterback. The team knows it, Rivers knows it. But there’s currently no reason to credibly believe the Chargers plan to roll the dice on an unproven rookie and there’s currently no reason to credibly believe Rivers wants to roll the dice on an unproven team.
If both sides were willing to do that, the dice would have been rolling by now.
Rivers, Chargers continue to do an apparent contract mating dance
Posted by Mike Florio on April 19, 2015, 8:42 AM EDT
Rivers
AP
One month and two days ago, jarring news emerged from San Diego: Chargers quarterback Philip Rivers said he has no plans to extend his contract before it expires after the current season — and that he has real concerns about moving his family to Los Angeles. Coupled with the team’s decision to take a closer look at Oregon quarterback Marcus Mariota, the facts quickly and naturally led to speculation that the Chargers could trade Rivers to Tennessee for the second overall pick in the draft.
While the story and its potential implications failed to quickly resonate on a widespread basis, the media gradually has recognized the significance of the story. Left unexplored, however, is the notion that the story is more about laying the foundation for a new contract than it is about Rivers ending his career with a team other than the Chargers.
As one well-connected source explained it to PFT within the past two weeks, far more likely than an imminent divorce between Rivers and the Chargers is the likelihood that player and team have launched a mating dance aimed at getting him signed beyond 2015. Rivers knows, if the Chargers move to L.A., that he’ll instantly have more value to a team that will be trying to win hearts, minds, and wallets in the nation’s No. 2 market — possibly in direct competition with the Rams or the Raiders. The Chargers know it, too, but they also know that they won’t be getting extra salary-cap space to accommodate a player’s belief that he has more value to a team in L.A. than he does in San Diego, no matter how accurate that belief is.
Let’s consider one of the first quotes from Rivers, assuming that he’s not thinking about leaving but about leverage.
“I guess things could change, but with all the uncertainty in many aspects, I don’t see it changing before camp gets here, and when camp gets here I’m even more certain to play it out,” Rivers told Acee only four days after the Steelers gave quarterback Ben Roethlisberger a massive, market-value contract.
“Things could change,” Rivers conceded. But if things don’t change before camp opens, he’s not negotiating a new contract. In other words (possibly), if the Chargers give Rivers what he wants on a new deal before training camp, he’ll sign on the dotted line.
In more than a month, not much has developed in the way of potential suitors for Rivers. Some have suggested that he’d be worth two first-round draft picks, a package that a franchise desperate for a franchise quarterback should be willing to instantly sacrifice.
Without a long-term deal, however, it would be a one-year rental with the availability of the franchise tag thereafter. Besides, while a team like the Browns could be gung-ho about the possibility of adding Rivers to the very long list of starting quarterbacks since 1999, Rivers may have no interest in playing for the Browns or any other team that resides a long way from the land of contention.
Some have suggested Rivers wants out because of the quality of the team around him. But what other team out there is a high-end quarterback away from instantly contending for a Super Bowl? Maybe the Texans, possibly the Bills. Neither team’s name has come up — at all — in the past 33 days. For the most part, the teams that would be most interested in Rivers don’t have the kind of supporting cast that would help him get to where he never has been.
Which brings us back to the Titans. Apart from Nashville’s proximity to his hometown, why would Rivers want to play for Tennessee? Arguably, they’re improving on defense with the arrival of Dick LeBeau and several free agents, but they’ve got a long way to go on both sides of the ball to become competitive in the AFC South, and in the AFC generally.
From the Chargers’ perspective, how can they trade Rivers without getting a potential franchise quarterback in return? That’s possibly why the Chargers have created the impression that they would be interested in trading Rivers to the Titans. With the second overall pick, the Titans would be guaranteed to get a possible Rivers replacement.
Some wonder whether the end game for the Titans isn’t Mariota but Jameis Winston, with a Rivers deal getting them to No. 2 and then another deal getting them to No. 1.
Moving up to one of the first two picks becomes dangerous territory for the Chargers, who know a thing or two about using the No. 2 overall pick on a quarterback. In 1998, they climbed up one spot to get in striking distance for Peyton Manning or Ryan Leaf. The Colts took Manning, the Chargers took Leaf, and the rest is a very ugly period in San Diego history.
Still, if the Chargers were intent on trading up to No. 2, it could have been accomplished by now. Rivers would need a new contract in Tennessee, but his agent represents Titans coach Ken Whisenhunt and Titans G.M. Ruston Webster. Which means that getting Rivers signed over the long haul in Tennessee arguably would be the easiest part of this process. The real question is whether the Chargers truly want to move Rivers, and whether Rivers truly wants to move to a new team.
The fact that more than a month has passed since the story first hit the NFL’s radar screen without anything tangible happening suggests that contract leverage remains the major part of the equation. Why else would writers in San Diego now be talking about Rivers retiring in lieu of moving to Los Angeles? With no serious trade discussions happening (yet) and the Chargers not throwing a huge pile of money at Rivers, his other potential ammunition for getting the team’s attention comes from the School of Favre.
Whether it’s Rivers, Mariota, or someone else, the Chargers can’t go to Los Angeles in 2016 without a franchise quarterback. The team knows it, Rivers knows it. But there’s currently no reason to credibly believe the Chargers plan to roll the dice on an unproven rookie and there’s currently no reason to credibly believe Rivers wants to roll the dice on an unproven team.
If both sides were willing to do that, the dice would have been rolling by now.
If we are at 6 and Mariota is still on the board then we switch picks and get Rivers and another pick. That is the only way I see it.
With Rivers, a QB of his caliber, I think an even swap would be more than enough. I'am sure Maccagnan will try to get more. Yet, if it's a take or leave it deal swap, then its a no brainer, you take the player that can give the Jets a legit shot at the Superbowl instead of wasting years in developing a project.
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How many Superbowl games has the aging sidearm choke artist gotten the very talented Chargers to since 2004?