Report: Ryan Fitzpatrick would rather not play than accept current Jets offer

[mykcuz]

Isn't this a Fitz retirement thread?

Mac drafted hack because he told us he would.
He believes in drafting aqb every year. You gotta be in it to win it.
He happens to be high on hack and felt the need to draft him in the 2nd because he didn't want to get stuck taking cook.


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[Bigmoe]

The punch thing is overblown nonsense. IK Enkepali was a mindless thug. I don't give a rats ass about debt. IK broke his jaw, and people who blame Geno for that are reaching for reasons to bash him. IK was 100% to blame, and he belongs with big mouth Rex. If Geno owes you money, there's better ways of handling that. This isn't Goodfellas for Christsakes!

If you want to criticize Geno's inconsistent play, that's fair game. But everything else is media hyperbole on repeat.

Maccagnan has made it clear that he doesn't think the same way about Geno that some overzealous fans do.

I really don't want to turn this into another Geno bashing thread but feels this needs a response .
And you say your not a Geno apologist , yet this post screams it.
"people who blame Geno for that are reaching for reasons to bash him"

1- Geno texting and on Twitter while meeting with teams prior to draft
2- Geno gets caught "with his pants down"
3- Geno doesn't know how to tell time
4- Geno misses team meeting
5- Geno gives Jets fans the finger
6- Geno gets punched in the face
7- Geno says he's a Pro Bowl caliber QB
8- Geno flat out sucks
I really don't think people need to reach out to bash him , overzealous ? He deserves it all.
And if this was Goodfellas he'd be whacked already

 

[isired]

Hell any draft pick would be nice for him... So yea that will be the best case scenario.... I honestly don't think the Jets want to split time between 4 QBS though.... I think they will want hackenberg and Petty to get as many reps as possible

You're right, no way they split reps with 4 QBs.

I don't think you watched camp last year.... If Petty was so bad at camp there is no way the FO cuts Flynn and Josh Johnson to have Petty be the backup for the first 3 games of the season last year.... If he was so uninspiring he would have been put on the practice squad last year not the back up while Geno was out and would not have stayed on the roster all year....

Patullo, Gailey, Macc and Bowles all said he made hug strides in camp last year and look forward to seeing his progress this year.

Is it not common sense to read thru all the hyperbole and look at the fact that he was the backup to start the season behind Fitz who was coming off a broken leg himself and say the Jets FO and CS must have been impressed with him to have that kind of trust thru the first 3 games. Uninspiring is almost a laughable comment when you look at the situation.

Everyone in the media world said he needs 2-3 years to sit and learn before he can play in the NFL.
He comes from the spread offense he isn't NFL ready to take a snap from center and read a defense on his own.

Fans say he's a 4th rd pick he is a project.. You say he had an uninspiring camp.

so Let me repeat:

THE Jets Organization Deemed him good enough to be one hit away from playing and starting NFL games over 2 EXPERIENCED VETERANS.

Sorry but that action alone speaks volumes to me about his progress last year and what the organization thinks of Petty...

Petty would never have started a game, let's be realistic. He would have come in in an emergency situation, we would have run the ball and hoped that what we thought at the time was a top 5 or better D would get the job done. Clearly they didn't like Flynn or Johnson enough to have them on the opening day roster and guarantee their salaries for a year, but they would have signed someone week 2 if Fitz went down. If they were confidant that Petty could start the opening 3+ games of the season, we wouldn't be having this discussion now.

 

[lounap23]

You're right, no way they split reps with 4 QBs.



Petty would never have started a game, let's be realistic. He would have come in in an emergency situation, we would have run the ball and hoped that what we thought at the time was a top 5 or better D would get the job done. Clearly they didn't like Flynn or Johnson enough to have them on the opening day roster and guarantee their salaries for a year, but they would have signed someone week 2 if Fitz went down. If they were confidant that Petty could start the opening 3+ games of the season, we wouldn't be having this discussion now.

Pure speculation and quite possibly on both of our parts. I just think those are bigger gambles than we think... What if both those guys signed elsewhere; which I believe Josh Johnson did and I amnot sure about Flynn. There wasn't anyother veteran out there to sign on Monday and playing the following Sunday it would have been Petty starting. Not to mention everyone predicted petty to be on the PS all year another thing that did not happen... YOu look at it from the paradigm of Jets gambled and one and wouldn't have to use Petty.... I look at it from the Paradigm they were confident enough in Petty that if Fitz went down they would be ok till Geno or Fitz came back and even stick with Petty if he played well enough....

And the reason we are having this discussion is:

1. Fitz had such a great year you don't want to lose momentum and his leadership
2. Fitz buys the time the Jets want to really develop young QB's
3. Fitz is a great presence for the young QB's in the locker room and QB coaching room.

But clearly the Jets are willing to let the young kids fight it out if they have too as well. They aren't gonna pay Fitz over the number they have set in their heads, which none of us know, we just know it's not 15-18 Million.

So again I choose to look at it form the standpoint that right now the Jets are a better team with Fitz but will be fine this year without him and definitely long term if any of the young QB's develop to what all of their talent suggests they could be. Geno included. And like I have said before I am pulling for Petty but I am ok if its Hackenberg.... and yes even Geno if that means he has developed to be the guy.... In all likely hood it'll be Petty or Hackenberg

 

[butterscotch]

That is an easy answer as well... but I'll start with a question... Why did the Cowboys draft Aikman #1 overall only to draft Steve Walsh with the supplemental #1 draft pick 3 months later and give up a first rounder the next year.... Who does that? Or who drafts Phillip rivers after Drew Brees starts clicking and playing some great QB play ?

Oh a team that wants to load up on talent at the most important position on an NFL team and one that wants to create competition so the best player rises to the top..... IDK if it'll be Petty or Hackenberg that become great or both...

Macc said so much yesterday on NFL Radio.... He like the upside of both and he wants serious competition at the QB position... I am all in.

Why is everyone so quick to assume they don't like Petty.. Another thing Macc talked about yesterday on the Radio and pretty much laughed it off

Great post! I agree!

 

[mykcuz]

I think mac knows he needs a qb, and the more lotto tickets you have, the more likely you are to win. Is Fitz having a late career resurgence a LA Warner? Did geno just need a year on the bench? Is petty ready? Is hack a stud? We don't know until it plays out, if Fitz keeps surging for another team, and our young guys flop, you let him get away.

You keep as many guys as you can within a respectable cap position. If we sign Fitz, we will have 4qbs combined for less than Bradford or osweiler.

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[flgreen]

I really don't want to turn this into another Geno bashing thread but feels this needs a response .
And you say your not a Geno apologist , yet this post screams it.
"people who blame Geno for that are reaching for reasons to bash him"

1- Geno texting and on Twitter while meeting with teams prior to draft
2- Geno gets caught "with his pants down"
3- Geno doesn't know how to tell time
4- Geno misses team meeting
5- Geno gives Jets fans the finger
6- Geno gets punched in the face
7- Geno says he's a Pro Bowl caliber QB
8- Geno flat out sucks
I really don't think people need to reach out to bash him , overzealous ? He deserves it all.
And if this was Goodfellas he'd be whacked already
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You left out some of the more entertaining ones.

Geno attacking a 72 YO man from behind, and when his 48 YO son shows up, runs away

Geno refusing to remove his ear buds on a plane, cursing the stewardess out and being kicked off the plane.

For all of his thuggishness, The vets on the Jets lined up to shake hands with IK after the first Bills game....Strange

 

[Bigmoe]

You left out some of the more entertaing ones.

Geno attacking a 72 YO man from behind, and when his 48 YO son shows up, runs away

Geno refusing to remove his ear buds on a plane, cursing the stewardess out and being kicked off the plane.

For all of his thuggishness, The vets on the Jets lined up to shake hands with IK after the first Bills game....Strange

Thanks

 

[jetgreen13]

I really don't want to turn this into another Geno bashing thread but feels this needs a response .
And you say your not a Geno apologist , yet this post screams it.
"people who blame Geno for that are reaching for reasons to bash him"

1- Geno texting and on Twitter while meeting with teams prior to draft
2- Geno gets caught "with his pants down"
3- Geno doesn't know how to tell time
4- Geno misses team meeting
5- Geno gives Jets fans the finger
6- Geno gets punched in the face
7- Geno says he's a Pro Bowl caliber QB
8- Geno flat out sucks
I really don't think people need to reach out to bash him , overzealous ? He deserves it all.
And if this was Goodfellas he'd be whacked already
View attachment 1508

You left out some of the more entertaing ones.

Geno attacking a 72 YO man from behind, and when his 48 YO son shows up, runs away

Geno refusing to remove his ear buds on a plane, cursing the stewardess out and being kicked off the plane.

For all of his thuggishness, The vets on the Jets lined up to shake hands with IK after the first Bills game....Strange

you fancy city folks with your common sense & facts..

 

[isired]

Pure speculation and quite possibly on both of our parts. I just think those are bigger gambles than we think... What if both those guys signed elsewhere; which I believe Josh Johnson did and I amnot sure about Flynn. There wasn't anyother veteran out there to sign on Monday and playing the following Sunday it would have been Petty starting. Not to mention everyone predicted petty to be on the PS all year another thing that did not happen... YOu look at it from the paradigm of Jets gambled and one and wouldn't have to use Petty.... I look at it from the Paradigm they were confident enough in Petty that if Fitz went down they would be ok till Geno or Fitz came back and even stick with Petty if he played well enough....

And the reason we are having this discussion is:

1. Fitz had such a great year you don't want to lose momentum and his leadership
2. Fitz buys the time the Jets want to really develop young QB's
3. Fitz is a great presence for the young QB's in the locker room and QB coaching room.

But clearly the Jets are willing to let the young kids fight it out if they have too as well. They aren't gonna pay Fitz over the number they have set in their heads, which none of us know, we just know it's not 15-18 Million.

So again I choose to look at it form the standpoint that right now the Jets are a better team with Fitz but will be fine this year without him and definitely long term if any of the young QB's develop to what all of their talent suggests they could be. Geno included. And like I have said before I am pulling for Petty but I am ok if its Hackenberg.... and yes even Geno if that means he has developed to be the guy.... In all likely hood it'll be Petty or Hackenberg

Sure, it's speculation, but if they were comfortable with starting Petty as of week 1 last year, we're now a full season and going to be an offseaaon later, he would at least be the de facto backup whether Fitz was signed or not.

And yes, I think that we could have brought someone in that could run at least a limited offensive set last year, as with Petty - you really can't debate that, no way we're they running more than a fraction of their playbook if Petty did get in. Chan is known to run a less complex offense in terms of the calls than most do these days, a seasoned pro could get acclimated to a point somewhat quickly.

 

[lounap23]

Sure, it's speculation, but if they were comfortable with starting Petty as of week 1 last year, we're now a full season and going to be an offseaaon later, he would at least be the de facto backup whether Fitz was signed or not.

And yes, I think that we could have brought someone in that could run at least a limited offensive set last year, as with Petty - you really can't debate that, no way we're they running more than a fraction of their playbook if Petty did get in. Chan is known to run a less complex offense in terms of the calls than most do these days, a seasoned pro could get acclimated to a point somewhat quickly.

The fact is they were ok with Petty being the backup to start the season which to me says they were comfortable enough to run with him if Fitz got injured...You speculate your POV and I will mine....No need to get a seasoned pro to assimilate the offense on short notice when you could have had 1 or 2 for the vets minimum guaranteed money... We had enough to carry both of them if we wanted too and Petty and still have cap space available. In my opinion you don't take that gamble unless A) you don't have the cap space to guarantee the salary or B) you are confident enough in the rookie to play if necessary. This isn't a question of Petty being Ready to be starter week 1 last year, it's a question of if you feel comfortable enough, that he has progressed enough to start if anything happens to Fitz.... Why rush it when you have a guy that can run the offense well. YOu don't but if you had to could he? and I think by having him as the backup the answer is yes. Cause they made no attempt to sign any veteran week 2 for insurance and not having to guarantee the salary the whole year.

 

[isired]

The fact is they were ok with Petty being the backup to start the season which to me says they were comfortable enough to run with him if Fitz got injured...You speculate your POV and I will mine....No need to get a seasoned pro to assimilate the offense on short notice when you could have had 1 or 2 for the vets minimum guaranteed money... We had enough to carry both of them if we wanted too and Petty and still have cap space available. In my opinion you don't take that gamble unless A) you don't have the cap space to guarantee the salary or B) you are confident enough in the rookie to play if necessary. This isn't a question of Petty being Ready to be starter week 1 last year, it's a question of if you feel comfortable enough, that he has progressed enough to start if anything happens to Fitz.... Why rush it when you have a guy that can run the offense well. YOu don't but if you had to could he? and I think by having him as the backup the answer is yes. Cause they made no attempt to sign any veteran week 2 for insurance and not having to guarantee the salary the whole year.

I think they took a calculated risk. That doesn't mean they would have gone with Petty for 3 games, if that were the case I don't think they'd go with Hackenberg in the second - they certainly had other needs. I think they would be have been looking for their future QB2 in the 4th round or so... Petty would be clearly in line to be #1 at some point soon.

Also, if they were that comfortable with him, wouldn't you agree that he starts this season at #2 on the depth chart? Because I don't think that's all that likely...

 

[lounap23]

I think they took a calculated risk. That doesn't mean they would have gone with Petty for 3 games, if that were the case I don't think they'd go with Hackenberg in the second - they certainly had other needs. I think they would be have been looking for their future QB2 in the 4th round or so... Petty would be clearly in line to be #1 at some point soon.

Also, if they were that comfortable with him, wouldn't you agree that he starts this season at #2 on the depth chart? Because I don't think that's all that likely...

I agree he would be the #2 at the start of Camp.. He is listed asa #2 now and if Fitz signs I expect Smith to be gone and him to still be #2 to start the camp and then the competition begins...

At the end of camp could be Fitz 1 Petty 2 hackenberg 3.... Could be Petty 1 Fitz 2 Hackenberg 3... Could be hackenberg 1 Petty 2 Fitz ????

Hackenberg going 2nd round just says the Jets are serious about finding their franchise QB and are going tocreate competition for someone to stand up and take it.... They like Petty but he hasn't played a real NFL down yet and they aren't handing it to him.... They aren't sure if Smith can be saved.... So draft the highest QB on your Board and who they say was their BPA in RD 2 and let the chips fall where they may.

I think everyone is looking into drafting Hackenberg as a statement against Petty and it's just not. Remember my Aikman/ Walsh Argument, Brees/Rivers, How about signing Flynn for a crazy amount of $$ and drafting Wilson in the 3rd.... Seatlle was ripped for that pick for 2 reasons. 1; they just signed their young starting QB and 2: Wilson was to small and never gonna be an NFL QB to take in the 3rd......... BLAH BLAH BLAH

Front offices that are smart will do everything they can to find the QB they think will be the MAN.... and until one proves tjhey are the man keep trying to get the man... it's that simple.


Petty and Hackenberg will battle it out to be the MAN One will win and the other may just show he can the man too and then we will have the Dree Brees/ Rivers problem and hopefully get a return on 1 of them

and hell if Fitz isn't signed Smith will get his shot too and if he shows and becomes the man I'm ok with that too...... I love what Macc is doing here and what he is doing at the QB position.....

 

[isired]

I don't think drafting a QB is necessarily a statement against Petty, if that was the case Petty is gone if Fitz signs (they would try to PS him I guess but I don't think he gets there). I do think taking a rnd 2 QB is a statement on where he is and what he projects as. If they felt he was firmly #2, I think they grab a potential future backup in the 4th or so.

I think right now they project Petty as a backup (which is fine for where he was drafted!), and if Fitz signs, Geno is probably gone, but I think Hackenberg is going to be #2, and the heir apparent.

I just don't see anything beyond the standard platitudes when anyone is talking about Petty, so I think that he is what they thought he was, physically fits the mold but has a lot to learn and the game has to slow down for him before you can even figure out how his decision-making is. That's not a guy you count on for 2-3 years unless you have to.