Report: Winston has mystery shoulder injury

hobson54

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probably a non-story. not sure where all this tommy john talk is coming from? it's a reported shoulder weakness, not an elbow injury.

in any event, i'm sure tampa and other teams at the top of the draft will have winston examined by their own doctors at their facilities when they bring him in for visits. if there is a significant injury, it will come out.
 
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flgreen

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Jameis Winston - QB - Player
According to NFL Network's Ian Rapoport, Jameis Winston "checked out fine at the hospital" after doctors at the NFL Combine discovered "weakness" in his throwing shoulder.
RapSheet reports that just one doctor perceived the weakness, which is common in pitchers. Winston pitches for the Florida State baseball team. Per Rapoport, the "throwing-related nerve issue" is "likely minor." It sounds like Winston's shoulder "injury" will end up as a non-story within a few days.


Probably a Canes fan
 
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ucrenegade

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probably a non-story. not sure where all this tommy john talk is coming from? it's a reported shoulder weakness, not an elbow injury.

in any event, i'm sure tampa and other teams at the top of the draft will have winston examined by their own doctors at their facilities when they bring him in for visits. if there is a significant injury, it will come out.


could have been posturing he is a pitcher afterall and it would have been possible and his throws would have been weaker and they would want to hide it if it was tommy john for fear of him dropping in the draft far, so they cover it up saying it was a shoulder injury. But if he was throwing then it is all moot, but as far as mythbusters it was plausible.
 

hobson54

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could have been posturing he is a pitcher afterall and it would have been possible and his throws would have been weaker and they would want to hide it if it was tommy john for fear of him dropping in the draft far, so they cover it up saying it was a shoulder injury. But if he was throwing then it is all moot, but as far as mythbusters it was plausible.


has he pitched at all since the football season ended?

if he blew out his elbow ligament and needed TJ surgery, i find it hard to believe he was able to make it through an entire football season with that injury
 
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flgreen

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could have been posturing he is a pitcher afterall and it would have been possible and his throws would have been weaker and they would want to hide it if it was tommy john for fear of him dropping in the draft far, so they cover it up saying it was a shoulder injury. But if he was throwing then it is all moot, but as far as mythbusters it was plausible.


Why would he be posturing? Right now every body and their mother is picking him to go #1 in the draft. Posturing a shoulder injury could cost him millions if it makes the Bucs antsy
 
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ucrenegade

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has he pitched at all since the football season ended?

if he blew out his elbow ligament and needed TJ surgery, i find it hard to believe he was able to make it through an entire football season with that injury

i always thought tommy john was a gradual thing let me research that?
 
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A ligament is a rope-like structure in the body that connects two bones, thereby controlling the movement and stability across the joint. In the elbow, one of the most important ligaments is the ulnar collateral ligament. This ligament provides considerable and important strength on the inner aspect of the elbow while throwing. The ulnar collateral ligament (UCL) traverses the inner aspect of the elbow from the ulna to the humerus.

Figure 1, at left, shows the three bands in the UCL. The anterior band of the UCL is the arm's primary restraint from valgus stress to the elbow. During throwing, a tremendous valgus stress is placed across the elbow joint. Studies have shown that pitching a baseball generates a valgus force at the elbow estimated at 290 Newtons, resulting in an angular velocity in excess of 3000 degrees per second.

These high forces across the inner aspect of the elbow occur in throwing during the late cocking and early acceleration phase of throwing (Figure 2, below). The tremendous force and rotational velocity generated by pitching and throwing place stress on the ulnar collateral ligament. The forces generated at the elbow during throwing can exceed the tensile strength of the UCL. This force can cause failure of the ligament all at once (acute rupture of the UCL) or more commonly a slower, attritional rupture of the ligament due to microtrauma and repetitive stress. The repetitive stress on the ligament leads to lengthening, tearing and attrition of the UCL which in turn causes medial (inner) elbow pain, decrease in velocity of throwing, and an inability to throw effectively.
SYMPTOMS

Most commonly, an UCL tear presents with a gradual onset of medial elbow pain due to repetitive stresses on the ligament; this is termed a chronic UCL tear. Occasionally, throwing athletes may experience a sharp "pop" or develop sharp pain along the inside of the elbow joint on one particular throw; this is termed an acute UCL tear. Either way, the tear in the ligament leads to a decrease in velocity, pain while pitching, and lack of control. Occasionally, the ulnar nerve, which runs very close to the UCL, can be stretched, leading to numbness and tingling in the small and ring fingers.

guess it can be sudden or gradual.............http://www.gamradtortho.com/conditionsUlnarCollateralLigament.php
 

hobson54

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i always thought tommy john was a gradual thing let me research that?

well there's probably a gradual weakening of the elbow ligament. but usually there is one moment when a pitcher throws a ball and something "snaps" and the next thing you know, he is off for the dreaded visit to doctor andrews.
 
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ucrenegade

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Why would he be posturing? Right now every body and their mother is picking him to go #1 in the draft. Posturing a shoulder injury could cost him millions if it makes the Bucs antsy

for one he won't drop far if at all with a shoulder injury compared to elbow and needing surgery
 

cysporsche

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What I found interesting about Winston is his small hands for a big QB. That might explain his "wounded Duck" passes not being a tight spiral.

If Winston has Rotator cuff issues in his shoulder or needs Tommy John surgery on his elbow, he would not be throwing @ the combines.

Go Jets...Cyborg
 
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