Revisionist History

[jetgreen13]

As long as we agree that Rex should have been shit canned probably after the 2012 debacle when Tanny was sent packing, we are in full and complete agreement

As for the Bills, their fans will have plenty of questions to ask after Rex takes Marrone's 9 win season and runs it into the ground

i believed it would have been almost an impossible sell for woody to have brought back rex after last season, even with idzik sandbagging..

as for the bills fans i hope you're right about how things will work out long term.. that said, in the short term i believe the bills will be playing like their hair is on fire..

 

[Elias]

i believed it would have been almost an impossible sell for woody to have brought back rex after last season, even with idzik sandbagging..

as for the bills fans i hope you're right about how things will work out long term.. that said, in the short term i believe the bills will be playing like their hair is on fire..

I agree. They have a great short term future but like the jets they are screwed long term. Player development will be non existent. I liked Rex but he had these damaging flaws:

Player development
Stone age offense

He's going to continue that offensive philosophy up north. With the signing of john Connor he was quoted saying "most teams don't have one full back. We have two of the best. " Geez I wonder why other teams don't....

I like rex but like you, it was time for a change. Hope that Bowles is better.

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

Good heavens, Rex is neither the worst nor the best. Can't we just all acknowledge that it's not nearly as black-and-white as it's being made out to be?

There's always a few "black and white" people. Always. They cannot see anything outside of extremes. It almost as if, in order to prove their point, they must resort to an emotionally driven extreme.

That's my psychological contribution for the day. :im-outta-here-bye-b

 

[SackExchange]

I agree. They have a great short term future but like the jets they are screwed long term. Player development will be non existent. I liked Rex but he had these damaging flaws:

Player development
Stone age offense

He's going to continue that offensive philosophy up north. With the signing of john Connor he was quoted saying "most teams don't have one full back. We have two of the best. " Geez I wonder why other teams don't....

I like rex but like you, it was time for a change. Hope that Bowles is better.

I see it this way, as well. But also, from a player perspective, an over-the-top players' coach is no better than an over-the-top disciplinarian. Just like players will eventually tune out when they're yelled at all the time, players will also become tone-deaf to the "Rex has your back" mantra. At first, they may try as hard as they can for such a likable guy, but once they realize he will have their backs whether they bother putting in effort, many will slack.

The window is very short.

 

[jetgreen13]

I agree. They have a great short term future but like the jets they are screwed long term. Player development will be non existent. I liked Rex but he had these damaging flaws:

Player development
Stone age offense

He's going to continue that offensive philosophy up north. With the signing of john Connor he was quoted saying "most teams don't have one full back. We have two of the best. " Geez I wonder why other teams don't....

I like rex but like you, it was time for a change. Hope that Bowles is better.

yeah, rex has cornered the market on being set in his ways & that's a tough title to win.. & honestly on that front, his first few months upstate have shown zero change, outwardly at least.. he really is a "he is what he is" kind of a coach/guy.. short term it was a lot of fun.. long term... not so much..

 

[skop]

I loved Rex when he arrived not "kissing BB's Rings". However, as time passed, I started realizing that his bravado was misplaced, and he should've at least tried to understand why BB had the rings to kiss in the first place.

Rex's shortfall was that he didn't want to understand the offensive side of the ball. BB, too, was a great DC, and he could easily become the next hot ticket at DC if he wanted to take a step back from being a HC. But, BB realized what frustrated the living daylights out of DC's and was instrumental in creating that offense in NE.

There's the difference. Rex talks about beating Brady & Manning...literally he has said that. But he never tried to cultivate his "Brady" or "Manning".

I really hope he grows, but I don't see it!

 

[mykcuz]

I loved Rex when he arrived not "kissing BB's Rings". However, as time passed, I started realizing that his bravado was misplaced, and he should've at least tried to understand why BB had the rings to kiss in the first place.

Rex's shortfall was that he didn't want to understand the offensive side of the ball. BB, too, was a great DC, and he could easily become the next hot ticket at DC if he wanted to take a step back from being a HC. But, BB realized what frustrated the living daylights out of DC's and was instrumental in creating that offense in NE.

There's the difference. Rex talks about beating Brady & Manning...literally he has said that. But he never tried to cultivate his "Brady" or "Manning".

I really hope he grows, but I don't see it!

I would also note, that bb was about to be fired until Brady blossomed

 

[Football51]

These numbers were from november of 2014 comparing Herm/Rex.




Joe Caporoso @TurnOnTheJets · 1h 1 hour ago
Coach A: 39-41, 1 div title, two 10+ win seasons, 2-3 playoff record

Coach B: 44-46, 0 div title, one 10+ win season, 4-2 playoff record




I'm not trying to "dump" on Rex, but I really can't stand seeing him called a scapegoat. It's not like he was fired and Idzik, Bradway, Bauer, etc got to keep their jobs. IMO, Rex was the most influential member of this organization from 2009-2012. By the time 2013/2014 came around, we had nothing to show for the 2009/2010 drafts. We also alienated core locker room players like Cotchery(Rex had to have Mason), and this team began it's decline years ago. It took a few years for it to show up on the field.


Initially, I was a big fan of Ryan and thought he brought a breath of fresh air to the organization. However, after reading about all the turmoil/BS behind the scenes in Collision Low Crossers, IMO, he should've been gone after 2012. Westhoff, Pettine, Sutton and Callahan masked a lot of Ryan's deficiencies as a HC. Their departures just sped up our decline. Ryan's charisma/bluster made him a hero to fans, yet the on field results aren't much different from that of Herm Edwards. Ryan is a bright defensive mind, but he's in over his head as a pro HC. He'll piggyback off what Marrone set up in Buffalo for a couple of years, then things will fall apart. It might start sooner there with some questionable characters already having been brought in. This thread wasn't about bashing Ryan. It was about holding him accountable for his part in the decline of our team. Too many threads here get hijacked by out of touch praise for Ryan and acting as if he was some innocent bystander and was made out to be a scapegoat. That's just not the reality of the situation.

 

[Parcells123]

These numbers were from november of 2014 comparing Herm/Rex.




Joe Caporoso @TurnOnTheJets · 1h 1 hour ago
Coach A: 39-41, 1 div title, two 10+ win seasons, 2-3 playoff record

Coach B: 44-46, 0 div title, one 10+ win season, 4-2 playoff record




I'm not trying to "dump" on Rex, but I really can't stand seeing him called a scapegoat. It's not like he was fired and Idzik, Bradway, Bauer, etc got to keep their jobs. IMO, Rex was the most influential member of thing organization from 2009-2012. By the time 2013/2014 came around, we had nothing to show for the 2009/2010 drafts. We also alienated core locker room players like Cotchery(Rex had to have Mason), and this team began it's decline years ago. It took a few years for it to show up on the field.


Initially, I was a big fan of Ryan and thought he brought a breath of fresh air to the organization. However, after reading about all the turmoil/BS behind the scenes in Collision Low Crossers, IMO, he should've been gone after 2012. Westhoff, Pettine, Sutton and Callahan masked a lot of Ryan's deficiencies as a HC. Their departures just sped up our decline. Ryan's charisma/bluster made him a hero to fans, yet the on field results aren't much different from that of Herm Edwards. Ryan is a bright defensive mind, but he's in over his head as a pro HC. He'll piggyback off what Marrone set up in Buffalo for a couple of years, then things will fall apart. It might start sooner there with some questionable characters already having been brought in. This thread wasn't about bashing Ryan. It was about holding his accountable for his part in the decline of our team. Too many threads here get hijacked by out of touch praise for Ryan and acting as if he was some innocent bystander and was made out to be a scapegoat. That's just not the reality of the situation.

This is the best summary of Rex's tenure I've read in some time. And you're on point with Buffalo. That team will do well for 1-2 years as the roster has a lot of talent. But Rex will run it into the ground just like he did the Jets.
My observation is this (albeit far away and not with the team on a day to day basis): It seems that Rex does not like to put in the time necessary for a head coach to be really successful. He likes his social life and his time away. That is all fine and dandy. But coaches, especially relatively new ones, spend an inordinate amount of time and energy on their teams. Does Rex strike anyone as that type of coach? He likes the celebrity without the hard work. One example I can give is at training camp last summer. In 2 days I did not see Rex once work or even observe the offense. He was with the defense the entire time. Head coaches coach the entire team, not one unit.

It's refreshing to finally see adults running the team. It feels like the Jets are in good hands which will pay dividends going forward. In a 3-4 years you'll see Rex as a color man on TV.

 

[Football51]

"The dramatic outlier on the other side was another team whose fans often deserve condolences. The Jets managed to go 8-8 in 2013 by virtue of game-saving penalties in a number of close contests, including the questionable late hit call on Lavonte David that extended their Week 1 win over the Bucs and the personal foul on Chris Jones that eventually led to a win over the Patriots. Their point differential, though, only produced a 5.4-win Pythagorean Expectation. And in 2014, the bottom fell out. The Jets didn’t perform all that differently, producing a 4.9-win point differential, but a 4-12 record got everybody fired. Flip the luck between the two seasons and Rex Ryan gets fired in 2013 while John Idzik keeps his job after 2014."




http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-nfl-statistical-crystal-ball-what-2014s-numbers-can-tell-us-about-2015/

 

[Jetsfanatic]

I find it comical that you bunch the Tuna,Groh and Edwards to get a winning record. Compare the QB's they had Vinny and Chad to what Rex had?? You weren't trying to be fair were you??LOL What did the Tuna do when Vinny went down in 1999?? I'll tell you the team started 1-6 before he gave Lucas a shot..

You have to give Parcells the credit for bringing Vinny in! When Parcells got here it was O'Donnell and Foley. Also in 1999 Parcells did go 8-8 with the combo of Tupa, Mirer & Lucas. Some say '99 was his best coaching job!

 

[Lakerfan80]

"The dramatic outlier on the other side was another team whose fans often deserve condolences. The Jets managed to go 8-8 in 2013 by virtue of game-saving penalties in a number of close contests, including the questionable late hit call on Lavonte David that extended their Week 1 win over the Bucs and the personal foul on Chris Jones that eventually led to a win over the Patriots. Their point differential, though, only produced a 5.4-win Pythagorean Expectation. And in 2014, the bottom fell out. The Jets didn’t perform all that differently, producing a 4.9-win point differential, but a 4-12 record got everybody fired. Flip the luck between the two seasons and Rex Ryan gets fired in 2013 while John Idzik keeps his job after 2014."




http://grantland.com/the-triangle/the-nfl-statistical-crystal-ball-what-2014s-numbers-can-tell-us-about-2015/

2013-14 was a fluke 8-8..it started of better than expected with a 5-4 record and big win over the Saints...Rex got cocky and I can't remember what happened during the bye that made Buffalo feel disrespected, but they spanked us and led to a 3 game slide.

 

[sg3]

2013-14 was a fluke 8-8..it started of better than expected with a 5-4 record and big win over the Saints...Rex got cocky and I can't remember what happened during the bye that made Buffalo feel disrespected, but they spanked us and led to a 3 game slide.

Agree

Fluke 8-8 including the usual hot streak in meaningless December

Followed by a 3 win season more fitting to his "talents" including 2+ games benched, cursing out the home fans, and, of course, another meaningless false positive in the final week

Amazing really that there are any fans who still think this guy should ruin a third year before departing for good.

But he's our May starting QB and will no doubt, prove again to Gailey and Bowles that someone else should start vs Cleveland in September

 

[Football51]

2013-14 was a fluke 8-8..it started of better than expected with a 5-4 record and big win over the Saints...Rex got cocky and I can't remember what happened during the bye that made Buffalo feel disrespected, but they spanked us and led to a 3 game slide.

Rex took the team to Dave & Busters in Buffalo the night before the game.

 

[Lakerfan80]

That's it. Thanks 51...The Bills were livid...I believe they lit Miliner up that week after Rex was boasting him up after the NO win.

 

[Mainejet]

Rex Ryan will go down as one of the very best HC's in NYJ history. That's a fact whether you choose to acknowledge it or not. Revise that.

 

[sg3]

Rex Ryan will go down as one of the very best HC's in NYJ history. That's a fact whether you choose to acknowledge it or not. Revise that.

Agree 100%

Well, except for the overall crappy losing record, failure to deliver on any of his loud boasts, bringing in washed up good ol boys while developing NO young talent on offense or defense

Best ever!!

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

Rex Ryan will go down as one of the very best HC's in NYJ history. That's a fact whether you choose to acknowledge it or not. Revise that.

:smiley-sleep027:

Defensive minds? Yes. And that's where it ends.

 

[SackExchange]

Rex Ryan will go down as one of the very best HC's in NYJ history. That's a fact whether you choose to acknowledge it or not. Revise that.

If he does, it says more about the Jets than it does about Rex.