Rex speaks on Jets

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This all came up on whether or not he'd watch the Jets vs Bills:

By Rich Cimini

FLORHAM PARK, N.J. -- The biggest personality in the recent New York Jets-Buffalo Bills rivalry won't be anywhere near Ralph Wilson Stadium on Sunday -- and he won't be glued to his TV screen, either.

"Hell, no, I'm not going to watch that game," Rex Ryan said by phone, letting out a belly laugh. "There's a lot better games than that one."

Let's call it (R)ex Bowl I.

Fired twice in a span of two years, the ex-Jets and ex-Bills coach is out of football, working as an ESPN analyst, but he hasn't lost his razor-sharp opinions. And he has plenty to share when it comes to these two teams.

Ryan questioned the Bills' recent flurry of trades and said he's bemused as to why expectations for the season are lower than those he faced. As for the Jets, they have a "bare bones" roster that doesn't include their future quarterback, according Ryan, who isn't a Christian Hackenberg fan.

"They have to get a quarterback," he said. "That kid from Penn State, we all know that's not the answer."

Ryan said he harbors no ill will toward the Jets, who gave him his first shot as a head coach (2009-2014). Interestingly, his 2017 forecast is more optimistic than most.

The Vegas over-under is four wins, to which Ryan responded: "Oh, hell, I'll take the over on that. Let's face it, I had a roster that people were trying to lose with and we won four games [in 2014]" -- a subtle dig at former general manager John Idzik. "There's no way this roster is that bad. Remember, we had no corners, we had nothing. You're able to stumble into four wins. I think this team will be better than that."

Their plan, he said, is "not a total tank," but he doesn't see them winning more than six games.


The current regime inherited Ryan's 4-12 team, but instead of rebuilding from the outset, it acquired several older veterans -- "rentals," as Ryan called them. "They went for broke, but the fallout was going to be obvious. This team wasn't built for the long haul, it was built for a one shot, and that was it."

Ryan said it was "no surprise whatsoever" when the Jets started dumping veterans and big contracts in the offseason. They're one of the youngest teams, but they have a 38-year-old quarterback in Josh McCown.

"He's going try to work with these young quarterbacks because that's what he does -- he's a really good guy -- but everybody knows he's not the answer," Ryan said.

The Jets' perpetual search for a franchise quarterback probably will prompt them to pick one in the 2018 draft, which could be top heavy with elite arms. If they make the right choice, the Jets can change their fortunes immediately, according to Ryan.

"It's like Andrew Luck: You get a quarterback, a difference-maker like that, you can flip your franchise overnight," he said. "To me, the thing can be flipped in one year, bringing in the right personnel. You can get the Jets back. That's what I truly believe."

Ryan said he never would've traded Sheldon Richardson.

"For whatever reason, this group did not take to Sheldon Richardson," he said. "I love him, the guy's a great football player. To me, I would've done everything to keep him, but it's a different regime and all that stuff.

"They decided to pay [Muhammad Wilkerson] instead of Sheldon a couple of years ago. They're probably happy they got a second-round pick for him. In that sense, I can see it, but you don't have the services of one of the better D-lineman in the league."
Ryan's feelings for the Bills aren't exactly warm and fuzzy. Like the Jets, the Bills appear to be building for the future, stockpiling draft picks.

"It seems like anybody Doug Whaley drafted, or did whatever, they're running out of the building, from EJ Manuel to Sammy Watkins, Reggie Ragland, [Ronald[ Darby, all those guys," Ryan said. "To me that's a mistake. At the end of the day, you better win some games.

"Rebuilding is one thing, but the expectations ... I don't understand why the expectations would be set any different than when I was there. The difference is, you actually have draft picks. I never had those. To me, it's like, go ahead. All this talk about how talented they were when I was there, I want to see it on the field. We'll see."

Ryan said Watkins is "a top-10 receiver" when healthy. The Ragland trade is "really the one that blows me away. Reggie Ragland was one of our best players, if not the best player, in training camp last year. That [knee] injury was must have been significant for his play to drop off." He said he understood the Darby trade because the cornerback lacks ball skills: "That's one thing Ronald Darby doesn't have."

So who wins R(ex) Bowl I? Ryan laughed. He's picking the Bills "by default" because he doesn't know how the Jets can score points.

"I literally think the best way for the Jets to win the game is to give Bilal Powell the ball 30 times," he said. "[Matt] Forte? Fine, whatever. He's done. I mean, he's about done. Bilal is still a good player and he's a good receiver. (McCown) better get rid of the football. That's not his style. He's a guy who sits in there, he holds the ball. He's the exact opposite of what you had last year with Fitz (Ryan Fitzpatrick). He's going to hold the football and that's a problem against the Bills."


Ryan said the game could be an all-time clunker. He should know; he coached a couple -- Jets over the Arizona Cardinals, 7-6, in 2012; Bills over the Tennessee Titans, 14-13, in 2015.

"Two of the worst games in the history of the NFL," Ryan said, laughing. "Could it be like that? Hell, yeah, it probably could be."
 
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I wish we could get Rex back? I think the guy is so refreshingly honest and he pretty much echoes the masses sentiments......It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see this........The offense is probably one of the worst in recent memory. The defense may still be decent, but the honest has literally NOTHING. A big, fat ZILCHO. He knows Bilal Powell is a decent player but how the hell is he supposed to run the ball where there won't be any holes to run through? He knows Josh McCown is too old to do any sort of rebuilding around him. He also just says what every jets fan THINKS but won't ever say... CHRISTIAN HACKENBERG SUCKS. He's a massive, big BUST. If there were any reason to hold on this kid, he would have something (even a little, tiny flash of talent every now and again). But he hasn't and that should tell you all you need to know?

Mac is holding on to Hack ONLY so he can possibly cover up the piss poor job he did in drafting him? On any other planet, showing as little as he has, he would have been cut by now. And I know only two offseasons is very drastic, but this kid has shown LESS than nothing. He's so bad, you could take 3 Christian Hackenberg's combined and it still would not even equal Geno Smith or Mark Sanchez.

Honestly, I wish Rex would have gotten a lot more support from the front office. IMO, he had earned it with his early success........
 

lounap23

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I wish we could get Rex back? I think the guy is so refreshingly honest and he pretty much echoes the masses sentiments......It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see this........The offense is probably one of the worst in recent memory. The defense may still be decent, but the honest has literally NOTHING. A big, fat ZILCHO. He knows Bilal Powell is a decent player but how the hell is he supposed to run the ball where there won't be any holes to run through? He knows Josh McCown is too old to do any sort of rebuilding around him. He also just says what every jets fan THINKS but won't ever say... CHRISTIAN HACKENBERG SUCKS. He's a massive, big BUST. If there were any reason to hold on this kid, he would have something (even a little, tiny flash of talent every now and again). But he hasn't and that should tell you all you need to know?

Mac is holding on to Hack ONLY so he can possibly cover up the piss poor job he did in drafting him? On any other planet, showing as little as he has, he would have been cut by now. And I know only two offseasons is very drastic, but this kid has shown LESS than nothing. He's so bad, you could take 3 Christian Hackenberg's combined and it still would not even equal Geno Smith or Mark Sanchez.

Honestly, I wish Rex would have gotten a lot more support from the front office. IMO, he had earned it with his early success........

I agree... I think Rex's biggest downfall was lack of FO support and lack of caring about the offense. But I like him as a coach and would take him back in a heartbeat. But I feel like we are in the minority here.
 

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I agree... I think Rex's biggest downfall was lack of FO support and lack of caring about the offense. But I like him as a coach and would take him back in a heartbeat. But I feel like we are in the minority here.

I think Rex is beloved by the majority of Jets fanbase. I love Rex but his time here in NY was done. He had serious flaws and I wished he learned from them but clearly didnt when he went to Buffalo. I think Woody loved him. What ruined Rex was Idzik.
 

soj

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Except for the 1st two years he was a lousy HC coach and proved that in Buff. His mouth exceed his ability to coach and look no further then his HC tenures.
 
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Except for the 1st two years he was a lousy HC coach and proved that in Buff. His mouth exceed his ability to coach and look no further then his HC tenures.

You can't have it both ways, soj. You don't get to separate his first 2 seasons from the rest, just so you can claim he was lousy.

However, WITH his first 2 years being considered he is something far better than lousy.

And NOW? You would agree that the whole point of firing Rex and Idzik was to get better, right??

Well, please tell me with all your wisdom, HOW the Jets became far worse than at any time during the Rex Ryan era??? How do you explain that away? And HOW exactly do you justify the stupidity of getting worse than at any point during Rex Ryans tenure? Because it's virtually guaranteed that this team will win less games this season than ANY season under Rex.
 

gastineau

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When Rex had talent on the Jets he was able to win. Rex as Coach has the best record vs Pats so called greatest Coach & QB than the entire NFL coaches facing the Pats. Rex did it without a top QB & when Idzik took away every CB from Rex's defense he was still able to keep games close facing Pats -Brady& Peyton Manning that season. I think Rex is a good coach given the right team of players and only needs to take a step back on his bold talking to NY Media that loved/hated Rex all for stories. I'd be very happy to see Rex back on Jets and NEVER seen Players Quit in middle of games on Rex, like you seen with Bowles.
 

NickSINYC

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Rex is Bowles just with a big mouth he likes to put his foot in. We know all about Rex and feet They both have all the same faults.
 

soj

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You can't have it both ways, soj. You don't get to separate his first 2 seasons from the rest, just so you can claim he was lousy.

However, WITH his first 2 years being considered he is something far better than lousy.

And NOW? You would agree that the whole point of firing Rex and Idzik was to get better, right??

Well, please tell me with all your wisdom, HOW the Jets became far worse than at any time during the Rex Ryan era??? How do you explain that away? And HOW exactly do you justify the stupidity of getting worse than at any point during Rex Ryans tenure? Because it's virtually guaranteed that this team will win less games this season than ANY season under Rex.

Sarcasm aside MJ, let's see, this is the same coach when asked of his chances to make the playoffs in his 1st year didn't know he could. That in a nutshell should have raise red flags and wasn't he the one who said that MS is his guy when they visited him in Cal before the draft? And how that turn out.

Isn't he the guy who wanted C Pryor you know the guy who was a piss poor player, bad attitude and just got cut from the Browns. His teams were ill prepared, his clock management sucked, his in game adjustments at best worked 10% of the time... if that. Need more, how about all the times his teams got blowout and were ill prepared and uncompetitive you know like the butt fumble game or let's see the Buff game in detroit. Need more, How was his O? How was his ST?

AS for playing NE tough he did get the team to play what maybe four games a year where he could fire them up and ready to play but usually they still lost.... Yea he is a great coach.


There is a reason Balt passed on him and he is not coaching now ...
 
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Sarcasm aside MJ, let's see, this is the same coach when asked of his chances to make the playoffs in his 1st year didn't know he could. That in a nutshell should have raise red flags and wasn't he the one who said that MS is his guy when they visited him in Cal before the draft? And how that turn out.

Isn't he the guy who wanted C Pryor you know the guy who was a piss poor player, bad attitude and just got cut from the Browns. His teams were ill prepared, his clock management sucked, his in game adjustments at best worked 10% of the time... if that. Need more, how about all the times his teams got blowout and were ill prepared and uncompetitive you know like the butt fumble game or let's see the Buff game in detroit. Need more, How was his O? How was his ST?

AS for playing NE tough he did get the team to play what maybe four games a year where he could fire them up and ready to play but usually they still lost.... Yea he is a great coach.


There is a reason Balt passed on him and he is not coaching now ...

Let's take this from the top.

Rex DID make the playoffs his first season in NY. So what are you complaining about?

He traded up to get MS because he believed in him just like Tanny and the FO did or else they wouldn't traded for him. I'm sure he would have taken Matt Stafford but the price was too much. But WTH are you complaining about? Mac and Toilet drafted Petty and Hack? Is that somehow better to you? Just like Idzik and Rex drafted Pryor. But is that all Rex's fault? Rex and Tanny drafted Mo. Is that a bad pick?

His in game coaching and adjustments sucked? Well please tell me how Toilet is BETTER?

But I answered your questions, why won't you answer mine? The point of making a coaching change is to get better. Tell me how much better off the Jets are with Mac and Toilet running things? Have the Jets gotten better? Please tell me how Toilet is better at anything you're complaining about Rex?

In fact, if you can point to one single thing that Toilet is better at I'll admit you won the debate? You don't have a single thing.
 

jetgreen13

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Let's take this from the top.

Rex DID make the playoffs his first season in NY. So what are you complaining about?

He traded up to get MS because he believed in him just like Tanny and the FO did or else they wouldn't traded for him. I'm sure he would have taken Matt Stafford but the price was too much. But WTH are you complaining about? Mac and Toilet drafted Petty and Hack? Is that somehow better to you? Just like Idzik and Rex drafted Pryor. But is that all Rex's fault? Rex and Tanny drafted Mo. Is that a bad pick?

His in game coaching and adjustments sucked? Well please tell me how Toilet is BETTER?

But I answered your questions, why won't you answer mine? The point of making a coaching change is to get better. Tell me how much better off the Jets are with Mac and Toilet running things? Have the Jets gotten better? Please tell me how Toilet is better at anything you're complaining about Rex?

In fact, if you can point to one single thing that Toilet is better at I'll admit you won the debate? You don't have a single thing.
hell, how about if soj can point to anything bowles does well as a HC??

sticking it to petty doesn't count, BTW..
 
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hell, how about if soj can point to anything bowles does well as a HC??

sticking it to petty doesn't count, BTW..

Well, that was actually my point. Thank you for focusing my point better than I did.

And apologies for Petty, but lets face facts here???? Mac is VERY suspect when it comes to selecting QB's up to this point? Hack is GARBAGE, worse than any QB I've ever seen two years into their careers. Petty, although he did play quite well in the preseason, that was the preseason? He played against guys that are no longer employed as of right now? lets see what he can do against a real live defense playing with the starting offense....
 

jetgreen13

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Well, that was actually my point. Thank you for focusing my point better than I did.

And apologies for Petty, but lets face facts here???? Mac is VERY suspect when it comes to selecting QB's up to this point? Hack is GARBAGE, worse than any QB I've ever seen two years into their careers. Petty, although he did play quite well in the preseason, that was the preseason? He played against guys that are no longer employed as of right now? lets see what he can do against a real live defense playing with the starting offense....
that's exactly the kind of thing i'm talking about..

bowles has the nerve to say over & over he had a 3 man competition at QB.. yeah, well i call bull shit!!

petty got by far the least amount of 1st team reps in camp.. that, & i'm almost positive he didn't get any in the preseason..

shame on this dick head for ****ing this kid over the way he has..
 
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that's exactly the kind of thing i'm talking about..

bowles has the nerve to say over & over he had a 3 man competition at QB.. yeah, well i call bull shit!!

petty got by far the least amount of 1st team reps in camp.. that, & i'm almost positive he didn't get any in the preseason..

shame on this dick head for ****ing this kid over the way he has..

Hard to disagree, you make a lot of sense..........
 

soj

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Let's take this from the top.

Rex DID make the playoffs his first season in NY. So what are you complaining about?

He traded up to get MS because he believed in him just like Tanny and the FO did or else they wouldn't traded for him. I'm sure he would have taken Matt Stafford but the price was too much. But WTH are you complaining about? Mac and Toilet drafted Petty and Hack? Is that somehow better to you? Just like Idzik and Rex drafted Pryor. But is that all Rex's fault? Rex and Tanny drafted Mo. Is that a bad pick?

His in game coaching and adjustments sucked? Well please tell me how Toilet is BETTER?

But I answered your questions, why won't you answer mine? The point of making a coaching change is to get better. Tell me how much better off the Jets are with Mac and Toilet running things? Have the Jets gotten better? Please tell me how Toilet is better at anything you're complaining about Rex?

In fact, if you can point to one single thing that Toilet is better at I'll admit you won the debate? You don't have a single thing.


Why do you bring TB into this? To justify your position and make it look like Rex is a better coach.... Both are not HC material IMHO and that was my supposition now if you want to compare both as HC, Rex has a better record as a HC but I stand my my comments Rex got fired twice and for good reason and TB should have been fired last year....

GJ13 - to answer your question look above.
 
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