Salary cap 2015-2017

[mykcuz]

So I looked up the hard cap numbers as of today.
NYJETS (all numbers in millions)
2015:
Cap room-$49
Offense-$70
Defense-$29
Realistic cut cap savings:
Harvin $10.5
Cj2k- $3.5
Pace- $2.1
Babin-$1.5
Total-$17.6
New cap space-$66.6 million
Also consider there is a current debate on this year's cap, and the feeling is it will be at least 5mil - 12mil higher.
Realistic cap of 66.6 with potential of 71-78 million.

Mo is making 7mil this year
Richardson is 2.8 and 3.2 next year

Next year cap room is projected at 71-80 with several contacts falling off, 92 the next, and only 3 players are under contract in 2018,and one is Harvin.

Under the right conditions and baring crazy contracts my estimated costs of popular fa's
Cromartie-$3.5
Ryan Fitzpatrick qb- $6-8
Larry Fitzgerald -$16 under contract dispute
Brandon Marshall -7.5
Rumored to be released
The following guys could get big deals:
Suh- 15
Maxwell- 8-12
Houston- 12-14
Total projected cost to sign all, without marshall
63.5 million

*this is not a suggested list of moves, just a framework to better understand what our cap room could get us. *
Leave 10mil for drafted players and the numbers are close to possible to sign 6 substantial playmaker's, so when you consider we won't get all these guys, we have plenty of room for snacks, mo, bilal,Richardson etc,and a couple play makers.

 

[ucrenegade]

excellent analysis some of those fa's will be higher obv depending on market and some may be lower.

 

[eaglenj]

There is more to free agency then just the numbers.

For example, Fitz wouldnt be terrible on a team like the jets with one year at a high figure, but there is little actual value in a player like him because there is no way you are going to get $16 million of production out of him. Can he even actually separate from defenders at this point in his career?

In my opinion, the way to approach FA is to find guys whose production may have been limited by their circumstances, and pay those guys. Last offseason, people on the original JI board continually trashed golden tate and didnt want to "overpay" him, when in actuality golden tate did a lot with the chances he was given in seattle, they just didnt throw the ball enough - ie a perfect FA target.

While I dont love paying for FA RBs, CJ Spiller fits this situation pretty well. His online in Buffalo sucked, and they tried to have a power running game with guards who were converted tackles. Is he at fault for his production there or should he simply be placed in a zone scheme where he can get in space and catch balls (obviously injuries are a concern, but tough to plan for).

While Iupati is an excellent player, I personally would rather try to find a system-guard who fits what we want to do schematically, and use that money on guys like byron maxwell or rahim moore who we know can play their respective positions regardless of what defense we run.

 

[ucrenegade]

while i agree i think you are underestimating how well fitz does in gaileys system............each season he played for him he had over 3000 yds including one where he was close to 4000 and that was in the era where defensive backs could touch wr's. Not sure where you got that 16 m figure from for him but his salary is actually 3.25 m for 2015 then in 2016 he is ufa. I would certainly give up a 4th for a 1 year rental at 3.25 m who knows the OC

 

[eaglenj]

while i agree i think you are underestimating how well fitz does in gaileys system............each season he played for him he had over 3000 yds including one where he was close to 4000 and that was in the era where defensive backs could touch wr's. Not sure where you got that 16 m figure from for him but his salary is actually 3.25 m for 2015 then in 2016 he is ufa. I would certainly give up a 4th for a 1 year rental at 3.25 m who knows the OC

My bad - i meant larry fitzgerald, not ryan fitzpatrick

 

[mykcuz]

while i agree i think you are underestimating how well fitz does in gaileys system............each season he played for him he had over 3000 yds including one where he was close to 4000 and that was in the era where defensive backs could touch wr's. Not sure where you got that 16 m figure from for him but his salary is actually 3.25 m for 2015 then in 2016 he is ufa. I would certainly give up a 4th for a 1 year rental at 3.25 m who knows the OC

Larry Fitzgerald is under contract with the Cardinals for 16 mill this year. They want him to take a pay cut, he doesn't want to be on a team with no qb and who just lost the strength of their team, Bowles, to the jets.

 

[mykcuz]

There is more to free agency then just the numbers.

For example, Fitz wouldnt be terrible on a team like the jets with one year at a high figure, but there is little actual value in a player like him because there is no way you are going to get $16 million of production out of him. Can he even actually separate from defenders at this point in his career?

In my opinion, the way to approach FA is to find guys whose production may have been limited by their circumstances, and pay those guys. Last offseason, people on the original JI board continually trashed golden tate and didnt want to "overpay" him, when in actuality golden tate did a lot with the chances he was given in seattle, they just didnt throw the ball enough - ie a perfect FA target.

While I dont love paying for FA RBs, CJ Spiller fits this situation pretty well. His online in Buffalo sucked, and they tried to have a power running game with guards who were converted tackles. Is he at fault for his production there or should he simply be placed in a zone scheme where he can get in space and catch balls (obviously injuries are a concern, but tough to plan for).

While Iupati is an excellent player, I personally would rather try to find a system-guard who fits what we want to do schematically, and use that money on guys like byron maxwell or rahim moore who we know can play their respective positions regardless of what defense we run.

Yes Larry can separate, he had no qb this year, and Cardinals will be worse this year with out Bowles or a qb. I think he moves on.
My point with this thread was to stabilize many varying claims of our cap room, using fact. We also often get side tracked using"slush fund" math, o just sign this guy and drop that guy, etc. I wanted to lay down hard numbers, and then say hey, we could afford to sign 6 pro bowlers. My intention is not to outline an off season direction.

 

[flgreen]

while i agree i think you are underestimating how well fitz does in gaileys system............each season he played for him he had over 3000 yds including one where he was close to 4000 and that was in the era where defensive backs could touch wr's. Not sure where you got that 16 m figure from for him but his salary is actually 3.25 m for 2015 then in 2016 he is ufa. I would certainly give up a 4th for a 1 year rental at 3.25 m who knows the OC

Larry Fitzgerald Base salary=$8,000,000 Prorated bonus= $7,350,000 roster bonus =$8,000,000 work out bonus $250,000 cap number=23,600,000

Base salary plus bonus' =$16,250,000


LOL Everyone seems to have gotten their Fitz's mixed up

 

[mykcuz]

Larry Fitzgerald Base salary=$8,000,000 Prorated bonus= $7,350,000 roster bonus =$8,000,000 work out bonus $250,000 cap number=23,600,000

Base salary plus bonus' =$16,250,000


LOL Everyone seems to have gotten their Fitz's mixed up

Exactly why Arizona is trying to restructure, Larry doesn't want to. If they cut him it's 14 mill in dead money, but 9.2 mill in cap savings. Arizona just lost their d coordinator, abs has no qb. Why waste 24 million on a wr for a team with its head cut off. They're actually worse off in the qb department than us.
Point is you could sign him for 16 mill or less, Arizona can eat the 14 mill but save 9 and get a good pick from us, maybe Mariotta.

 

[ucrenegade]

Exactly why Arizona is trying to restructure, Larry doesn't want to. If they cut him it's 14 mill in dead money, but 9.2 mill in cap savings. Arizona just lost their d coordinator, abs has no qb. Why waste 24 million on a wr for a team with its head cut off. They're actually worse off in the qb department than us.
Point is you could sign him for 16 mill or less, Arizona can eat the 14 mill but save 9 and get a good pick from us, maybe Mariotta.

i am not liking this plan sorry. The money considering arizona will eat most of it is fine but the fact it would be a 1 year rental and we have to give up the number 6 I pass.

we need that pick we have to many holes to fill and if fitz the wr was 26 i say ok but not now.

 

[mykcuz]

Well I didn't lay out any proposal, I'm just mentioning the fact that there is a chance he will be available, and why not us. But again, the point of my post is the salary aspect of acquiring players, not the nitty gritty of actual trades, just the affordability.

 

[Matriculator]

Yes Larry can separate, he had no qb this year, and Cardinals will be worse this year with out Bowles or a qb. I think he moves on.
My point with this thread was to stabilize many varying claims of our cap room, using fact. We also often get side tracked using"slush fund" math, o just sign this guy and drop that guy, etc. I wanted to lay down hard numbers, and then say hey, we could afford to sign 6 pro bowlers. My intention is not to outline an off season direction.

Watch for the Vikings here to snatch him up as Jennings has gotten long in the tooth overnight. Fitz grew up as a ballboy there. He'd be great for Bridgewater's development.

 

[mykcuz]

Watch for the Vikings here to snatch him up as Jennings has gotten long in the tooth overnight. Fitz grew up as a ballboy there. He'd be great for Bridgewater's development.

While I don't know enough about this, I can say as a fan of the nfl,I would genuinely be shocked if Minnesota doled out that kind of contact.

 

[Matriculator]

While I don't know enough about this, I can say as a fan of the nfl,I would genuinely be shocked if Minnesota doled out that kind of contact.

You're assuming anyone would be crazy enough to pay him what he wants. That number will go way down. And I happen to be familiar with their cap as they are likely to cut Greenway and Jennings giving them even more cap space. Viking fans have long been connecting those dots although many expected them to cut Peterson, freeing up an additional 13M and now that may not happen. Still, with Jennings play going south and Cordarelle benched, the need is there for them.

 

[mykcuz]

You're assuming anyone would be crazy enough to pay him what he wants. That number will go way down. And I happen to be familiar with their cap as they are likely to cut Greenway and Jennings giving them even more cap space. Viking fans have long been connecting those dots although many expected them to cut Peterson, freeing up an additional 13M and now that may not happen. Still, with Jennings play going south and Cordarelle benched, the need is there for them.

Again I was trying to provide a strictly budgetary fact sheet. I intentionally avoided speculation, but instead was using his salary as a simple way to look at where jets money could theoretically go, should the trade signing aspect be dealt with. Basically with 66.6 million in cap room, Larry is scheduled to make 5.5 more than Harvin, less dirty details like signing bonus.
In theory, using current contracts as a basis, we reasonably have room to sign Cro, maxwell, suh,Ryan fitz, Larry fitz, and re sign complimentary players like bilal, Nick bellore,etc. Not that we should, but we have enough money that it is possible.

 

[mykcuz]

You're assuming anyone would be crazy enough to pay him what he wants. That number will go way down. And I happen to be familiar with their cap as they are likely to cut Greenway and Jennings giving them even more cap space. Viking fans have long been connecting those dots although many expected them to cut Peterson, freeing up an additional 13M and now that may not happen. Still, with Jennings play going south and Cordarelle benched, the need is there for them.

If Larry does become available in some way, and his contract is less than 16, there will be a lot of interest.

 

[Matriculator]

Again I was trying to provide a strictly budgetary fact sheet. I intentionally avoided speculation, but instead was using his salary as a simple way to look at where jets money could theoretically go, should the trade signing aspect be dealt with. Basically with 66.6 million in cap room, Larry is scheduled to make 5.5 more than Harvin, less dirty details like signing bonus.
In theory, using current contracts as a basis, we reasonably have room to sign Cro, maxwell, suh,Ryan fitz, Larry fitz, and re sign complimentary players like bilal, Nick bellore,etc. Not that we should, but we have enough money that it is possible.

Actually, Fitz is owed 23M this year. Are you going to factor that in? But that's also speculation assuming he gets exactly what he asks for. That's my point.
And I agree 60+ million can get you a lot but understand that 89% must be spent by the 2016 season. And you would also need to factor in future extensions to Harrison, Richardson, Wilkerson, possibly Coples, Milliner and a host of others so we don't want to max out on FA's this year or we'll be in cap hell once again in a quick minute.

I see you project Fitzgerald at 16M and I would argue he's not getting near that number.
Fitzpatrick, closer to 4. Maxwell will top out at 8 IMO. He's been a #2 . We'll see soon enough.

 

[ucrenegade]

if we use the money smartly we can get more for our buck staying away from a contract like larry fitz i believe like i said if we were closer to the SB I might gamble on him, but bowles needs to build for the future at the moment I believe he knows this and Mac one thing i was really impressed with scouting mac and the texans drafts was his ablity to find depth for the team including many that were starters.

 

[ucrenegade]

in other words I have no doubt in big mac's ability to find players for us.

 

[mykcuz]

Actually, Fitz is owed 23M this year. Are you going to factor that in? But that's also speculation assuming he gets exactly what he asks for. That's my point.
And I agree 60+ million can get you a lot but understand that 89% must be spent by the 2016 season. And you would also need to factor in future extensions to Harrison, Richardson, Wilkerson, possibly Coples, Milliner and a host of others so we don't want to max out on FA's this year or we'll be in cap hell once again in a quick minute.

Reading the original post would answer your questions... as I mentioned,cutting Larry would lead to a lot of dead money for Arizona, but it would also save over 10 million. When I look at Arizona I see a team that doesn't make sense keeping him. His numbers are down because they don't have a clear healthy qb,they just lost their defensive coordinator who was the reason they made the playoffs after losing 3 qb's. And he's not getting younger. They pay him 23 this year, and then he's a free agent. They're better off trading him, gaining a pick, and saving the 10 million for rebuilding moves. But the truth is I have no idea how they will approach this.