i never even considered reed was brought to play slot.. has he ever played slot??
it always seemed to me both reed & gardner were brought in to be an upgrade over hall..
Sauce is going to have to snatch that #1 CB spot away!
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it always seemed to me both reed & gardner were brought in to be an upgrade over hall..
I should've been clearer. This was already posted on this forum in a separate thread as the thread's main topic. Hence there are 2 threads made about the same statement from Saleh.
where the damn mods, they on vacation already???
he did... under Saleh. then he left for SEAT, and made a mark as an outside CB.
DJ is the goods, and he should be on the field all of the time.
Gardner is the goods, and he should be on the filed all of the time.
maybe it's just me... but Hall's coverage ability, without a line tat caused pressures was really good.
this is purely speculation, but i bet if JD made one of his patented deals to get a high draft pick, Hall is the one player who might not be considered a core player that JD might make available to do so, and a team needing a CB would cough the pick.
if he plays a lot and our line does get to the QB, i have a feeling Hall changes a lot of Jet fan's minds.
In today’s NFL, CB has become a borderline premium position. It’s a pass heavy game now, with a lot of really good QB’s. Having 3 corners is mandatory.
The Jets have three good corners in Sauce, Reed, and Hall.
i wouldn't even say it's borderline... LB'ers, RB's, C's, G's and TE's have to be the unicorns who have to have generational talent to go in the top 10. CB is right up there with DE's and QB's... because they are a part of the passing game, albeit defending against it.
i only mention Hall as bait, because, and you're right that you have to have 3 studs, he will garner the most attention but we also have Echols who was very solid too as that 3rd.
IMO, neither Hall or Echols are expendable in their rookie deals, but before they are up, one is going to turn into a high draft pick via trade.
I'm waiting to see how Sauce reacts to giving up his first Td in four years, will he get into studying his weakness that allowed the TD? Can he admit that he needs to improve in order to live up to the hype? My guess is that he will bury himself into studying what he did wrong on that play and work tirelessly to correct his mistakes.
Sauce to me is the real deal, and he will prove himself week after week only getting better every game he plays.
Sauce to me is the real deal, and he will prove himself week after week only getting better every game he plays.
you think DJ Reed was brought in to play safety? Reed is an outside CB who ranks along side Ramsey as an elite outside CB.
The Jets have, as far as I can see, three seriously legit starting caliber outside CBs. That's a pretty good place to be. I want the team to keep Bryce Hall as long as possible. He has very much earned being in the equation.
It feels good having legitimate talent in the secondary rather than hoping that somebody from UDFAs will step up. I hope that Sauce is the caliber of let's say Patrick Peterson. JD and Saleh must think so or they probably wouldn't have drafted him.
Good point............
It’s obviously a big step up from college to the Pro’s. He’ll give up some TD’s. But seeing the type of person that he is through interviews and what the coaches are saying about his work ethic and personality, I think we found a good one. Solid player with the right attitude and approach. His eccentricities shouldn’t be mistaken for being a diva. He seems grounded, and has the ability to turn the page as they say.
Even better! My thing is Hall shouldn’t just be discarded here. Sauce will earn the starting spot obviously and if Reed is that good at CB, so will he. But teams usually run a 3 CB set throughout the game anyway, so no reason why Hall shouldn’t be a starter also. He played very well for us last year. Even with the horrible defense we had.
Amen to that!! Hall is a very good CB. For all of the crap he got for "what he allowed", he didn't get enough credit for what he DID NOT allow with QB's given lengthy times to have a receiver get open "or" that most of what was allowed was because our DB's were forced to cover for so long.
Yes, 3 CB's is almost a given. and we are in a good place for the first time in a long time... maybe even better than the days with Cro & Revis; in that even if Reed and Sauce are a notch below Cro & Revis, Echols, Hall, MC2 might be better than slot CB's during the Cro & Revis days, so the whole backfield CB situation could be better.
I have a different view on Hall than most. I see some good things and potential but I don't think he's quite there. He had a lot of pass defenses but the qb rating against was atrocious. In fact our pass defense last season was atrocious. 7 ints for the entire team is not good no matter how anyone tries to explain it away. There were CBs last season that had more ints than the entire Jets defense.
Now some will say that it was due to the ineffective pass rush. And yes, synergy plays a role. But there's another way to look at it. In regards to synergy, the pass coverage should be able to make the pass rush more effective. Having Gardner on the field perhaps covering x should take pressure off of Hall and Echols and make them better.
Now some will say that it was due to the ineffective pass rush. And yes, synergy plays a role. But there's another way to look at it. In regards to synergy, the pass coverage should be able to make the pass rush more effective. Having Gardner on the field perhaps covering x should take pressure off of Hall and Echols and make them better.
here is why my belief goes for the synergy going against the pass rush and not the coverage... "coverage sacks".
Has Bryce Hall Established Himself As A Legitimate No. 1 CB?
Has New York Jets cornerback Bryce Hall established himself as a legitimate No. 1 corner in the NFL going forward?
jetsxfactor.com
check out the (1.) "forced incompletions" and (2.) "targeted forced incompletions percentage" BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY, (3.)"the target prevention stat".
you and i have discussed the amount of time Hall & Co had to cover, and that it is difficult to find those stats. but seeing these stats in unison/combined scream quality coverage.
so, if Hall is providing quality coverage, the line, even if not filled with studs, should have their fair share of coverage sacks.
they do not!
being that we really need to rely on an "eye test" in lieu of real seconds per coverage stats, ask yourself two questions.
1.) when Zach was holding the ball too long, did you think the outcome was going to be positive for us on those plays?
2.) when opposing QBs were able to hold the ball for "an extended time", did you think the opposing team's QB's outcome was going to be good?
My answers were (1.) no, because Zach was going to force a throw under duress but (2.) yes, because there were very few coverage sacks to put said opposing QB under duress.
They really didn't have extended time. It was about the same as Wilson. Look, I'm not sour on Hall. I just don't have a very high ceiling for him.Follow ups to question 2 from above... why did the opposing QB's have extended time? why did they need it
Great post .