Season MVP...so far

[jetgreen13]

I'll go back and find the post from August where you thought he was going to be team MVP.

Apology will directly follow . . .

LOLz OK, now you are just "trolling.."

i didn't proclaim fitzpatrick our "MVP" in august.. i'm saying that in late december..

but if you do choose to do they legwork, you will see i thought fitzpatrick could lead us to 10+ wins & be a dangerous playoff team..

please, have at it!!

 

[Elias]

So in your opinion Fitz is the reason Marshall/Decker are having great years, and not the other way around?

I'll respectfully disagree, emphasis on the respectful part (as some are apparently more sensitive than I realized) . . .

I think Marshall is having a great year because of Fitzpatrick and Fitzpatrick is having a great year because of Marshall.

Those two have shown great chemistry. Fitz and Marshall are on the same page which helps. Now with the rest of the weapons back you see how well Fitz is playing by how others are involved. Powell, Enunwa, Thompkins are all big factors now.

 

[Elias]

Alright guys -- let's keep it civil and discuss the team MVP only not each other!

 

[Pattycakes]

I don't think it would be crazy to consider Mangold for MVP. He may not be out there scoring the touchdowns... but goddamn do we miss him when he's on the sideline.

 

[Elias]

I don't think it would be crazy to consider Mangold for MVP. He may not be out there scoring the touchdowns... but goddamn do we miss him when he's on the sideline.

I think he looked good yesterday opening holes in the run game.

 

[jetgreen13]

Alright guys -- let's keep it civil and discuss the team MVP only not each other!

fair enough E..

honestly, i thought things were pretty "civil.."

still, no hard feelings [MENTION=39]OCCH[/MENTION]..

 

[jets82]

excellent well thought out list.. i think fitzpatrick is our MVP but i'm a "fanboy," so......

I edited my original post and added IK for knocking Geno the fuck out because I honestly don't think Geno is smart enough to pull off what Fitz has done so far. LOL

 

[Elias]

fair enough E..

honestly, i thought things were pretty "civil.."

still, no hard feelings [MENTION=39]OCCH[/MENTION]..

I trust you. maybe civil was a wrong word. Just don't want us addressing each other instead of the content.

The wait until next week will be excruciating

 

[jets82]

So in your opinion Fitz is the reason Marshall/Decker are having great years, and not the other way around?

I'll respectfully disagree, emphasis on the respectful part (as some are apparently more sensitive than I realized) . . .

Let's get something straight here people and this is no disrespect to Fitz but without Marshall and Decker, Fitz is having a average year like he always has been. Yes Fitz is doing his part and putting the ball where they can catch it but there have been quite a few catches that if it wasn't for Marshall (especially) or Decker, they would have incompletions or ints. Perfect example, I believe it was the Titans game when Marshall caught a pass that was not on target and on the defenders back. Then Marshall ran it another 20 yards for a TD, Fitz couldn't even believe Marshall made that catch. Also, look at the season Marshall has had with other QBs. This is the six time he has caught 100 catches or more and this is the third team he has done it with. Decker has had two all-pro season with Denver under Manning. Hell, last year he caught 80 passes or just below it for close to 1000 yards with Geno Smith (Geno f-ing Smith). Fitz has never put up numbers like this with any of the other five teams he played for. Not saying they have carried him and he didn't do his part but I think its pretty obvious there receivers made Fitz more then he made them.

 

[jetgreen13]

Let's get something straight here people and this is no disrespect to Fitz but without Marshall and Decker, Fitz is having a average year like he always has been. Yes Fitz is doing his part and putting the ball where they can catch it but there have been quite a few catches that if it wasn't for Marshall (especially) or Decker, they would have incompletions or ints. Perfect example, I believe it was the Titans game when Marshall caught a pass that was not on target and on the defenders back. Then Marshall ran it another 20 yards for a TD, Fitz couldn't even believe Marshall made that catch. Also, look at the season Marshall has had with other QBs. This is the six time he has caught 100 catches or more and this is the third team he has done it with. Decker has had two all-pro season with Denver under Manning. Hell, last year he caught 80 passes or just below it for close to 1000 yards with Geno Smith (Geno f-ing Smith). Fitz has never put up numbers like this with any of the other five teams he played for. Not saying they have carried him and he didn't do his part but I think its pretty obvious there receivers made Fitz more then he made them.

i can't/won't knock anything in your post because honestly i think it's solid..

my thing is fitzpatrick is not an illusion.. in my eyes anyway.. not saying in yours either, BTW..

 

[OCCH]

Let's get something straight here people and this is no disrespect to Fitz but without Marshall and Decker, Fitz is having a average year like he always has been. Yes Fitz is doing his part and putting the ball where they can catch it but there have been quite a few catches that if it wasn't for Marshall (especially) or Decker, they would have incompletions or ints. Perfect example, I believe it was the Titans game when Marshall caught a pass that was not on target and on the defenders back. Then Marshall ran it another 20 yards for a TD, Fitz couldn't even believe Marshall made that catch. Also, look at the season Marshall has had with other QBs. This is the six time he has caught 100 catches or more and this is the third team he has done it with. Decker has had two all-pro season with Denver under Manning. Hell, last year he caught 80 passes or just below it for close to 1000 yards with Geno Smith (Geno f-ing Smith). Fitz has never put up numbers like this with any of the other five teams he played for. Not saying they have carried him and he didn't do his part but I think its pretty obvious there receivers made Fitz more then he made them.

I guess you said it better than I did, because this is what I meant from the start.

I LOVE what Fitz has done for us, but the FO put him in a great position to accomplish it, both on the field and off (Bowles/Gailey) . . .

 

[jets82]

I guess you said it better than I did, because this is what I meant from the start.

I LOVE what Fitz has done for us, but the FO put him in a great position to accomplish it, both on the field and off (Bowles/Gailey) . . .

Agreed 1000%

 

[Fudbutter]

MVP? How about a vote for the folks who persevered and brought this site back in the middle of the season when it looked bleak?

As far as the team goes, the reason they have 10 wins, other than an easy schedule, is that there is a different MVP from game to game, series to series, play to play. Mo, then Revis, then Marshall, then Fitz, then Sheldon, then Onumwa, then Powell, etc. Even poor 'ole Coples contributed as a sacrifice that got the team's attention

 

[jetgreen13]

MVP? How about a vote for the folks who persevered and brought this site back in the middle of the season when it looked bleak?

As far as the team goes, the reason they have 10 wins, other than an easy schedule, is that there is a different MVP from game to game, series to series, play to play. Mo, then Revis, then Marshall, then Fitz, then Sheldon, then Onumwa, then Powell, etc. Even poor 'ole Coples contributed as a sacrifice that got the team's attention

damn skippy!!

love this forum!!

 

[the Claw]

I guess you said it better than I did, because this is what I meant from the start.

I LOVE what Fitz has done for us, but the FO put him in a great position to accomplish it, both on the field and off (Bowles/Gailey) . . .

I can think of 15 QBs as well. But that doesn't matter. The question was posed about team MVP. I took it to mean players. I can argue Fitz till I'm blue. You can argue Mo, or Mangold or whoever, thats fine. Just looking at stats isn't the way to define an MVP in my opinion. This team has rallied around Fitz and his passion appears to be contagious. Think of the term: Most Valuable Player. To me that means, who can team not afford to lose. To me, that's Fitzpatrick. To you it's someone else. No big deal.

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

I can think of 15 QBs as well. But that doesn't matter. The question was posed about team MVP. I took it to mean players. I can argue Fitz till I'm blue. You can argue Mo, or Mangold or whoever, thats fine. Just looking at stats isn't the way to define an MVP in my opinion. This team has rallied around Fitz and his passion appears to be contagious. Think of the term: Most Valuable Player. To me that means, who can team not afford to lose. To me, that's Fitzpatrick. To you it's someone else. No big deal.

It's Fitzpatrick. Many have pointed to the true meaning of the words MVP. It's beyond stats. And honestly, Fitzpatrick's stats are pretty solid. When was the last time we had a QB with 29 TD's and 12 INT's. Testeverde? Also, you cannot overstate the importance of how this team has gotten behind Fitz all year. Read the quotes and it's easy to see how much his teammates love him. Respect is very important at that position, and Fitz has crushed it this year.

Marshall has been a beast this year. No doubt about it. He'd be a close second for me. But I don't think he's got those numbers with Geno playing the entire year.

 

[mykcuz]

Let's get something straight here people and this is no disrespect to Fitz but without Marshall and Decker, Fitz is having a average year like he always has been. Yes Fitz is doing his part and putting the ball where they can catch it but there have been quite a few catches that if it wasn't for Marshall (especially) or Decker, they would have incompletions or ints. Perfect example, I believe it was the Titans game when Marshall caught a pass that was not on target and on the defenders back. Then Marshall ran it another 20 yards for a TD, Fitz couldn't even believe Marshall made that catch. Also, look at the season Marshall has had with other QBs. This is the six time he has caught 100 catches or more and this is the third team he has done it with. Decker has had two all-pro season with Denver under Manning. Hell, last year he caught 80 passes or just below it for close to 1000 yards with Geno Smith (Geno f-ing Smith). Fitz has never put up numbers like this with any of the other five teams he played for. Not saying they have carried him and he didn't do his part but I think its pretty obvious there receivers made Fitz more then he made them.

Let's get something else straight, without Fitz, we are a4 win team under geno. Instead of 1000 yard rusher and 2 1000 yard receivers, and the best statistical season by a jet qb ever, we would be questioning the gm,the coach, the owner again.

We would be arguing that macc couldn't do it in one year, and coach doesn't have the talent, or maybe that Marshall melted down because we were so terrible. But it's a team, every players success opens room for his counter part to have success.

Fitz doing his job at a high level gets numbers to his top target, which opens up opportunities for his number 2 target, which gives opportunity to the rbs,which opens up the 3 and 4 receivers, which opens up the qb run, which gives the defense more rest.

This team works, not because each player is the best ever, but because it's a group of players who are capable of working together and complimenting exporter extremely well.

Mvp goes to gm,mac daddy.
The players putting the team first made it possible.

Another jet for nfl comeback player of the year, Fitz. Coming off of terrible offenses, a broken leg, couldn't participate in training camp on a new team, comes in early and has the best year in jets history, on the fly.

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[mykcuz]

Fitz is around a 3-1 ratio of td/int, geno is 1/1 and his teammates hate him. How many wins were determined by the turnover ratio? We wouldn't be plus 2 in turnovers if geno is spreading the love to both teams.

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[jets82]

Let's get something else straight, without Fitz, we are a4 win team under geno. Instead of 1000 yard rusher and 2 1000 yard receivers, and the best statistical season by a jet qb ever, we would be questioning the gm,the coach, the owner again.

We would be arguing that macc couldn't do it in one year, and coach doesn't have the talent, or maybe that Marshall melted down because we were so terrible. But it's a team, every players success opens room for his counter part to have success.

Fitz doing his job at a high level gets numbers to his top target, which opens up opportunities for his number 2 target, which gives opportunity to the rbs,which opens up the 3 and 4 receivers, which opens up the qb run, which gives the defense more rest.

This team works, not because each player is the best ever, but because it's a group of players who are capable of working together and complimenting exporter extremely well.

Mvp goes to gm,mac daddy.
The players putting the team first made it possible.

Another jet for nfl comeback player of the year, Fitz. Coming off of terrible offenses, a broken leg, couldn't participate in training camp on a new team, comes in early and has the best year in jets history, on the fly.

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You really believe that huh, ok whatever! I dont want to make this into a Geno debate and won't because its pointless. Marshall has had excellent stats with how many different QBs on 4 different teams? Decker almost had 1000 yards and over 80 catches with Geno last year. Pretty much the same stats he has now without the TDs. If you want to think this is all Fitz then go right ahead and keep your blinders on. I'm not saying Geno would have the kind of stats Fitz does and the team would have 10 wins but it wouldn't be far off from it.

It would be impossible for him not to with the two main receivers he has and they have already proven it with other QBs. Hell, I almost think Petty could have had decent numbers with this team and about 8 wins. True enough its not 10 wins but you get my point. So once again, this is no disrespect to Fitz and I'm glad now we have him playing over Geno but this is more of a 60-70% players around him then the other way around. I'm sure you'll disagree and that's fine because it shouldn't matter either way, we're winning and that's whats most important.

 

[LGM]

Fortunately any future discussions and hypothetical comparisons involving the behind the back fumbling turnover machine from WVU will come to an end when he is shown the exit from the Jets on the day after our season ends....hopefully in February.