Season MVP...so far

[flgreen]

I suppose it depends on a person's view of what makes a player an MVP. Just raw cherry picked stats, or what value they actually bring to their team.


Here's Peter King's view (a notorious Jets hater) of the NFL MVP based on what they bring to their team, not just stats.

1. Cam Newton, quarterback, Carolina. (Last week: 1.) It’s probably not over, but it’s close. The Panthers, even after the narrow loss in Atlanta on Sunday, likely will finish with the best record in football, Newton’s four wideouts are pedestrian, and he’s accounted for 41 touchdowns rushing and passing (to Carson Palmer’s 35 and Tom Brady’s 39 … though Brady and Palmer, in passing and rushing yards combined, are each more than 300 yards ahead of him). Maybe, just maybe, Newton's first bad game in a while (he was 0-for-7 on third and fourth downs against Atlanta, a mediocre defensive team) opened the door a crack for Palmer or Brady, who currently are in a close race for second place.

2. Carson Palmer, quarterback, Arizona. (LW: 3.) He’s 29-8 as the Cardinals starter, including 13-2 this year, his comeback year from ACL surgery. Boy, is that impressive.

3. Tom Brady, quarterback, New England. (LW: 2.) With an offensive line that seems to get re-invented every week, and with key injuries to receivers and running backs, Brady is having one of the best years of the one of the great careers of all time—even with Sunday’s understandable hiccup in New Jersey.

4. Andy Dalton, quarterback, Cincinnati. (LW: not rated.) I understand—he’s done for the regular season and will have missed (most likely) the last three regular-season games. But he moved back ahead of Russell Wilson and Ben Roethlisberger today, to me, because he led the Bengals to 10 wins in 13 starts, and the Seahawks and Steelers are 9-6. I have considered records of teams significant in MVP voting. It’s not everything about the MVP, but it’s significant.

5. Ryan Fitzpatrick, quarterback, New York Jets. (LW: not rated.) My upset pick here. I chose Fitzpatrick by a hair over Brandon Marshall, who achieved his sixth 100-catch season Sunday. I did it because week in and week out, Fitzpatrick gives a very strong Jets defense precisely what it needs out of the offense—just enough punch (3,724 passing yards, 29 touchdown passes, 12 picks)—and provides New York with the leadership it sorely lacked at quarterback with Geno Smith.​

 

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VIEW FROM ANOTHER JETS HATER, OUR BOY MANISH



Jets QB Ryan Fitzpatrick belongs in MVP race
NEW YORK DAILY NEWS Updated: Tuesday, December 29, 2015, 1:24 AM A A A



Ryan Fitzpatrick’s magical season might have been a longshot, but there’s no denying he deserves NFL MVP consideration with the Jets on the precipice of a playoff berth.

He is the improbable engine of a team that nobody, including the reigning Super Bowl champions, wants to face in January. He is the unlikeliest of MVP candidates, marginalized for the better part of a decade before awakening with the year of his life.

“He’s been amazing for us,” outside linebacker Calvin Pace said the day after Fitzpatrick’s three-touchdown performance buoyed the Jets in a 26-20 overtime thriller against the Patriots on Sunday.

Fitzpatrick plays smart and sometimes ugly. He has won over his teammates even if others still don’t believe. He won’t give them the finger, even though he should. He’s too damn nice.

Cam Newton and Carson Palmer are justifiably the MVP front-runners entering the final week of the regular season, but Fitzpatrick has elevated his play to new heights during the Jets’ five-game winning streak that has them facing a win-and-in playoff scenario against Rex Ryan’s Bills on Sunday.

Fitzpatrick’s sizzling five-game stretch has vaulted him into the MVP conversation. He is a Top 3 MVP candidate, behind Newton and Palmer, but ahead of Tom Brady and Russell Wilson.



Ryan Fitzpatrick's numbers (3,724 passing yards, 31 total touchdowns (29 passing and two rushing) and 12 interceptions) may not be the best, but he has certainly earned MVP consideration.
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Fitzpatrick has more passing yards (1,525) in the past five games than each of those four MVP candidates. Only Wilson has more touchdown passes than Fitzpatrick’s 13 during that span.

Although Fitzpatrick’s numbers across the board in his 14 full games — 3,724 passing yards, 31 total touchdowns (29 passing and two rushing) and 12 interceptions — rank below the others, nobody is more important to his team right now.





Fitzpatrick is a major reason why the Jets have 10 wins and are on the cusp of going to the playoffs for the first time since 2010.
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Fitzpatrick is a major reason why the Jets have 10 wins and are on the cusp of going to the playoffs for the first time since 2010.
Brady has had a better overall statistical season (4,636 passing yards, 39 total TDs, 7 INTs), but there’s no denying the Patriots have shown cracks since Thanksgiving. The 10-5 Jets are getting better. The Patriots, 3-2 in their last five games, are not.

“The guys around me have been playing great,” Fitzpatrick said.

Brandon Marshall re-established himself as one of the most feared receivers in a turn-back-the-clock season that earned him a Pro Bowl appearance. Eric Decker proved that he’s far from a Peyton Manning creation. Chis Ivory and Bilal Powell is an unappreciated — but productive — backfield tandem.

Fitzpatrick has blended all those pieces to create magic in such a short period of time, which is the most intriguing component to his MVP candidacy. He has done it all so quickly with a new team. While Newton, Palmer, Brady and Wilson have had familiar pieces around them, Fitzpatrick didn’t even participate in a full practice with the Jets’ first-team offense until 48 hours before the first preseason game. That’s ridiculous.

The journeyman was limited this spring while recovering from a broken leg suffered with the Texans last December. He took his first 11-on-11 practice snaps (with the backups) on May 27 during the fifth of 10 Organized Team Activities sessions.

Fitzpatrick split backup practice reps with rookie Bryce Petty during the team’s three-day minicamp in June. He took second-team snaps for the first 10 practices in training camp before starter Geno Smith broke his jaw in a locker room fight in August that changed the course of the franchise.



Fitzpatrick started working full time with Marshall, Decker and the rest of the first-team offense on Aug. 11, two days before the preseason opener against the Lions. He accelerated the learning curve and put the Jets on a playoff track in four-and-a-half months, which is absurd when you think about it.

He stabilized the offense before taking it to another level in December. His knack for clutch plays in critical moments has made all the difference. His leadership is immeasurable.

He’s far from the reckless gunslinger that people remember from his four seasons in Buffalo.

“I’m a much smarter player,” said Fitzpatrick, who went 20-33 as a starter with 80 touchdowns and 64 INTs with the Bills from 2009-2012. “I think I understand my game better. I’m a much more patient quarterback. There’s been a tremendous amount of growth for me.”

His past has shaped perception this season. How could Ryan Fitzpatrick, of all people, be a legitimate MVP candidate?

I t’s impossible to ignore the evidence, though. Fitzpatrick has tied the single-season franchise record for touchdown passes. He is 284 yards from breaking Joe Namath’s team record for passing yards in a season.

He is making one unfathomable play after another in the fourth quarter and overtime to lift his new team. He is making the improbable feel probable.

He is playing every bit like the league MVP.

 

[lounap23]

Stats are misleading.. why? Well the one thing Fitz has done for us that a lot of QBS aren't doing for there team is not measured in numbers. The leadership he has brought to table has brought this team together. Something Geno and Sanchez could not do.... and that is why he is our MVP.

 

[jets82]

Stats are misleading.. why? Well the one thing Fitz has done for us that a lot of QBS aren't doing for there team is not measured in numbers. The leadership he has brought to table has brought this team together. Something Geno and Sanchez could not do.... and that is why he is our MVP.

I can't argue that at all. It's the other intangibles that make him so valuable to the team. His leadership, pose, decision making, toughness and intelligence. Definitely something Sanchez and Geno did not have and probably never did.

 

[mykcuz]

You really believe that huh, ok whatever! I dont want to make this into a Geno debate and won't because its pointless. Marshall has had excellent stats with how many different QBs on 4 different teams? Decker almost had 1000 yards and over 80 catches with Geno last year. Pretty much the same stats he has now without the TDs. If you want to think this is all Fitz then go right ahead and keep your blinders on. I'm not saying Geno would have the kind of stats Fitz does and the team would have 10 wins but it wouldn't be far off from it.

It would be impossible for him not to with the two main receivers he has and they have already proven it with other QBs. Hell, I almost think Petty could have had decent numbers with this team and about 8 wins. True enough its not 10 wins but you get my point. So once again, this is no disrespect to Fitz and I'm glad now we have him playing over Geno but this is more of a 60-70% players around him then the other way around. I'm sure you'll disagree and that's fine because it shouldn't matter either way, we're winning and that's whats most important.

Believe what exactly? It's hard to have a conversation when I don't know what you are referring to.

Interesting how Fitz is ranked 3rd and 5th in mvp by journalists who are not kind to the Jets.

It's very common for a number 1 receiver on a bad team to have 1000 yards. As a defense you can let that guy have a decent game and focus on shutting everyone else down. You also get garbage time stats to inflate numbers.

Listen Marshall is a beast and hall of famer, decker is a clutch number 2. Marshall also lost us games with clutch drops and the lateral fumble.

How did geno do when Fitz got hurt? Oh yea, he sucked. He almost knocked us out of the playoffs. How did Fitz do when he came back and played the rest of the season with a cast on his hand! !!! Oh yea led us to the verge of the playoffs and gelled all of our players together on offense and defense.

I wonder why Bowles played Fitz with an injured thumb, over a healthy geno?

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[flgreen]

Before the season started I felt if Fitz started the Jets would be 10-6, and if smith started the Jets would be 6-10. Nothing since has changed my mind on that, accept now I think the Jets will be 11-5.

One of the stats that IMO indicates the reason for that is the sack total. Fitz has been sacked I think 18 times. smith was sacked 47 times in 2014. The only real change in the OL has been Carpenter.
Carpenter is a good player, but he certainly doesn't account for the sack total being cut in half. What accounts for that is the fact that Fitz gets rid of the ball in 2.7 seconds. smith held on to the ball for 5.3. My goodness, that is very close to twice as long. it's no wonder the sacks have been cut in half.

IMO if smith were playing the Jets TD total would be about half as much as it is now . Fitz hasn't seen about half the TD's he's thrown because he was hit as he released the ball, and knocked to the ground. If it were smith throwing those balls, he would have either been sacked, or panicked, and ran in the wrong direction, or thrown an interception.

Long before Fitz arrived on the scene I understood that smith would never be more then a middling back up QB. if that. Every human being has a built in reflex of "Fight or Flight" under duress. smith's was panic.

More then the raw stats, you can see when smith is under pressure, and can't find a receiver, he panics. Either throws the ball right into the teeth of coverage for an interception, or run in the wrong direction.

With Fitz you see he either tries to put the ball in a spot where only his guy can get it, (throws him open) In Marshall's case often puts the ball up where Marshall can use his size, and make a play on it, or take it down and run like a mad man for a critical 1st down. smith with his superior speed, and athleticism, would seldom do that. He would panic, and run in the wrong direction. smith is just not a good NFL QB. He doesn't have the instincts, leadership, or courage. Fitz on the other hand doesn't have the strong arm or athleticism, but he's has a lot of football smarts, great instincts, great leader, and balls the size of Texas.

No this would not be anywhere as near as good a team with smith at QB. As far as I'm concerned he's
"dead man walking". If anyone offers a 6th in the off season he'll be gone

 

[ucrenegade]

I get what you're saying, but seriously -- is he our MVP based on his body of work, or on his improvement over the EXTREMELY low bar we've grown accustomed to?

Here's some rankings I was able to find:

Passer rating -- 20th
Yardage -- 13th
TDs -- 10th
Completion % -- 20th

I'm not bashing the guy -- we'd DEFINITELY not be in the position we find ourselves without the season he's having. But don't you think an "MVP" season would have led to better production? I guess 1/2 the QBs in the league would have been our MVP?

I'm thankful for what the guy has brought to the table, but also looking forward to the day when these numbers are EXPECTED, not lauded . . .

I don't think it is the numbers more than his charisma and how he has united the lockeroom, coach's basically the team except for maybe geno.

his atittude and toughness we have not seen in quite a while this is what a leader a QB is supposed to do. Yes he is reckless but I think that makes him who he is.

numbers are numbers but I am more impressed with his leadership you can tell everyone loves him and would run through a wall for him.

 

[ucrenegade]

You really believe that huh, ok whatever! I dont want to make this into a Geno debate and won't because its pointless. Marshall has had excellent stats with how many different QBs on 4 different teams? Decker almost had 1000 yards and over 80 catches with Geno last year. Pretty much the same stats he has now without the TDs. If you want to think this is all Fitz then go right ahead and keep your blinders on. I'm not saying Geno would have the kind of stats Fitz does and the team would have 10 wins but it wouldn't be far off from it.

It would be impossible for him not to with the two main receivers he has and they have already proven it with other QBs. Hell, I almost think Petty could have had decent numbers with this team and about 8 wins. True enough its not 10 wins but you get my point. So once again, this is no disrespect to Fitz and I'm glad now we have him playing over Geno but this is more of a 60-70% players around him then the other way around. I'm sure you'll disagree and that's fine because it shouldn't matter either way, we're winning and that's whats most important.

It's not about numbers with geno though can he have stats and throw the ball yes but IMO I don't believe the players would have rallied behind him like they do fitz after so many pick 6's and not getting wr's the ball enough a defense and team gets tired and the locckeroom may not look in disaray but they are physically beaten. That is where I say geno would have lost them.

Like you said decker had similar stats without the td's last year but I guarantee you he likes fitz much better.

 

[SackExchange]

Does a QB make his receivers, or receivers make the QB? I think it's some of both. In this QB-driven league, it seems like more credit would go toward the QB than the WRs.

That said, it's impossible to say how much of an impact replacing Fitz with Geno would have. Likewise, replacing one of the WR cogs would also have an immeasurable impact. So let's all agree that the formula right now absolutely works, and it should not be changed.

 

[the Claw]

Does a QB make his receivers, or receivers make the QB? I think it's some of both. In this QB-driven league, it seems like more credit would go toward the QB than the WRs.

That said, it's impossible to say how much of an impact replacing Fitz with Geno would have. Likewise, replacing one of the WR cogs would also have an immeasurable impact. So let's all agree that the formula right now absolutely works, and it should not be changed.

The age-old question. In this case, it's a good example of an offensive team that is playing for and trusting one another. Everyone seems to make everyone better with Fitz being at the center of it all, I nod in his direction.

I really hope they can all stay relatively healthy. Whatever is going on is working.

I just hope we're not the Bills redux.

 

[flgreen]

Uh Oh. Has Fitz success gone to his head. LOL

 

[Elias]

With his personality, if he wins a SB, he will own NYC

 

[ucrenegade]

Uh Oh. Has Fitz success gone to his head. LOL



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yep see him with that 40 oz. and wearing the armani suit...........:global (15):

 

[maxmet]

With his personality, if he wins a SB, he will own NYC

He'll own NY sooner if he wins the SB

If he doesnt, he is smart enough to own NY sooner or later.

 

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EA Q&A: Going Back to the 716
Posted 1 hour ago

Eric Allen
Sr. Reporter/Director, Internet Programming
Email @eallenjets On the Inside
With the Postseason on the Line, a Smoldering Ryan Fitzpatrick Returns to B-Lo




716Rocks.com @716Rocks
@eallenjets Question: when does Fitzplosion happen?
9:13 PM - 29 Dec 2015




EA: Ryan Fitzpatrick loved living in the 716, he loved the fans and he loved the Bills organization. But this is a different player than the one who lined up for the Bills between 2009 and ’12. Playing with more talented offensive personnel, the Harvard product is a smarter player and he has become a more patient quarterback. During the Jets’ five-game winning streak, Fitz has completed 64.5% of his passes with 13 TD and 1 INT while averaging 305 yards per game. He exhibits tremendous poise in the pocket and has used his legs to convert 60% of his third-down runs into first downs. With 273 yards, Fitz can join Joe Namath as the only 4,000-yard passers in franchise history. And with one TD pass back in Buffalo, Fitzpatrick will set the franchise individual TD mark at 30.
If you are waiting for an implosion, you got the wrong guy. If you came for an explosion, Fitz and the Jets offense have you covered.




Sean Walsh @WalshNYJets
@eallenjets Hey EA! What in you're opinion has been the keys to Fitz's terrific season?
Also how important is @bilalpowell29 to our team?
7:54 PM - 29 Dec 2015


EA: Fitz is playing with better weapons than he has ever lined up with before. Brandon Marshall & Eric Decker and Chris Ivory & Bilal Powell are dynamite duos and now you are seeing others step up as well like Quincy Enunwa and Kenbrell Thompkins. Fitzpatrick is smart and decisive, quickly reading defenses and then getting the ball out without hesitation. And he also is in perfect sync with offensive coordinator Chan Gailey. Fitzpatrick exhibits an uncanny feel in the pocket, stepping up at the right time or moving to create just the extra second or two that he needs. The 33-year-old, searching for his first playoff berth, also is a natural leader and the players appreciate his competitive nature. Quiet by nature, Bilal Powell lets his game do his talking. Powell, who is a jack of all trades, became more explosive in his fifth NFL season and he has already totaled 47 receptions out of the backfield. Powell is also averaging a career-high 4.5 yards per carry. He has been huge down the stretch, having averaged nearly 6 receptions (5.6) per contest.

Paul Samuels @NYImpact414
@eallenjets @nyjets How does the Jets D keep Tyrod Taylor contained?
9:06 PM - 29 Dec 2015


EA: The Jets played well against Taylor the first time around, sacking the Bills QB four times and limiting him to 12 yards on six carries. Buffalo won that first contest because they totaled four takeaways and the Jets had none. It appears Taylor is going to miss two of his top weapons in RB LeSean McCoy, who was brilliant against the Jets with 112 yards on the ground, and TE Charles Clay, who totaled five receptions for 52 yards. Taylor rushed the ball 14 times in the Bills’ 16-6 win over the Cowboys, so the Jets must be prepared for the zone read game. And Taylor loves going up top to Sammy Watkins, so the Jets have to maintain their rush lanes and get him off his spot. Taylor has posted solid numbers in his first season as a starter, but the Bills are 0-5 when he has thrown 30 or more passes.

Jetlife516 @jetlife22516
@eallenjets honestly, I have one question. Who will be missing from the bills that was there when they beat us?
5:34 PM - 29 Dec 2015



EA: I don’t have the entire list, but here are some notables. Already Out: CB Stephon Gilmore, TE Charles Clay & WR Marcus Easley. Injury Questions: DT Marcell Dareus, RB LeSean McCoy, CB Ronald Darby, LB Nigel Bradham & S Bacarri Rambo. We’ll have a much better feel for this as the week progresses.

Dutch Schultz @Dutch1968
@eallenjets @nyjets considering the margin of victory in the first game was a special teams turnover/TD, what has been done to avoid repeat?
9:01 PM - 29 Dec 2015
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EA: Both teams are in much different spots than they were back in Week 10. I thought the Bills’ corners were excellent during that 22-17 victory, but they will be without Gilmore and quite possibly Darby this week. And Rex Ryan did not sound optimistic about LeSean McCoy (159 total yards) playing the return matchup while TE Charles Clay (5-52) is already on injured reserve. And the Jets also didn’t play well as they converted on just 1-of-3 red zone trips and Ryan Fitzpatrick was intercepted a pair of times. Even minus Shady, the Bills will attempt to get their run game going with both rookie Karlos Williams and free agent find Mike Gillislee. But the Jets own the NFL's top rush defense and they have also been the NFL’s top third-down defense (21.5%) during this win streak.

Pat Squeo @patsquee
@eallenjets EA anyway me and 4 friends traveling 7 hours to buffalo this weekend can get locker room passes or field access? #jetlife
3:40 PM - 29 Dec 2015


EA: Wait, you didn’t want to address the team too? I don’t have connects like that. Enjoy the game!

 

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STEVE SERBY

How Ryan Fitzpatrick won his Jets teammates over off the field

By Steve Serby December 31, 2015 | 3:39am



Eric Decker jumps on the back of Ryan Fitzpatrick after catching the game-winning touchdown pass in the Jets' 26-20 overtime win over the Patriots. Photo: Getty Images
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Steve Serby

Long gone are the days when the Rex Ryan Jets would Ground and Pound their way into the playoffs.

Come Sunday in the Jets’ biggest game in five years, the game that will send them back to the playoffs if they win, it will be, weather permitting, Pass-Fail: Ryan Fitzpatrick passing to Brandon Marshall and Eric Decker.


With Ryan’s best cornerback, Stephon Gilmore, on injured reserve, and talented rookie corner Ronald Darby questionable, and Jets running backs Chris Ivory and Bilal Powell banged up, Fitzpatrick has added incentive to be licking his chops beyond redeeming himself for a subpar performance last month against one of his five former teams with another FitzMagic masterpiece that would send him to the postseason for the first time in his nomadic 11-year career.

And forever change the perception of him as a quarterback.

“I care about getting to the playoffs, I care about winning this game … I really don’t care much about the perception,” Fitzpatrick told The Post. “I care about how I’m perceived in this locker room by the guys in this locker room, but that’s about the extent of it.”

This is how he is perceived by the guys in the Jets’ locker room:

In Fitz They Trust.

I asked Marshall why Fitzpatrick is so popular among his teammates.

“He’s just salt of the earth,” Marshall said. “He’s a really genuine great guy. Whether it’s Darrelle Revis, highest-paid guy on the team, he’s talking to him, and it’s a scout team player having lunch with him. And that’s what you want. I always tell younger players, especially at the quarterback position, you have to be a CEO, you have to be able to lead up, you have to be able to lead down, and you have to be a guy, too. You can’t always wear the leadership hat, you have to be one of the guys just to be cool. Play video games, play ping pong … and that’s what he does well. He knows the moments.”

Joe Namath won a Super Bowl, in case you hadn’t heard, or forgot. Richard Todd got to an AFC Championship game. So did Vinny Testaverde and Mark Sanchez. Ken O’Brien and Chad Pennington got to the playoffs.

This is Fitzpatrick’s time, his moment, after 10 seasons of watching the playoffs.

It isn’t validation he is seeking. It is leading teammates he loves playing with and a team and a head coach and an offensive coordinator he loves playing for back to the Super Bowl chase, and celebrating warm embraces with them come 4 o’clock Sunday at cold Ralph Wilson Stadium.

“It’s an important game for this team … it’s important because of how hard we worked and kind of where we think we should be, so in that sense it’s important,” Fitzpatrick said, “but in the grand scheme of things and in my career and all that stuff, it’s important for me to get to the playoffs, but I don’t need any validation from anybody.”

Fitzpatrick and Marshall began to click and get on the same page during the second meeting with the Dolphins.


“He threw a back shoulder against Miami, and nine out of 10 quarterbacks or receivers wouldn’t — it’s not the ideal play, ideal coverage — but I’m 6-5 and he throws a pretty nice back shoulder, so we thought we could get it in there, we’d been missing it the weeks before, and when we hit that, I was like, ‘Wow,’ ” Marshall said.

Fitzpatrick: “I can kind of get into his head and he can get into mine.”

Fitzpatrick (29 touchdowns, one interception in the last five games) needs one TD pass to set the franchise single-season record. It helps that he spent four years weathering the western New York elements.

“Right now offensively we’re clicking, we’re on the same page, and the best thing about it is confidence one, and two, the calmness that’s in the huddle,” Marshall said.

Fitzpatrick’s voice does not rise to soprano in the pressure-packed moments.

“Especially as an offensive player, you’ve got to be composed at all times,” Fitzpatrick said. “There’s so much to the mental side of the game that you’ve got to be able to think through and you can’t be going a million miles an hour.”

This game won’t be too big for him.

“I don’t feel any more pressure in this one than I have the last few,” Fitzpatrick said.

He was listed as limited in practice Wednesday with a sore left thumb.

“Nothing really to be concerned about,” Fitzpatrick said.

In Fitz They Trust.

 

[mykcuz]

It's not about numbers with geno though can he have stats and throw the ball yes but IMO I don't believe the players would have rallied behind him like they do fitz after so many pick 6's and not getting wr's the ball enough a defense and team gets tired and the locckeroom may not look in disaray but they are physically beaten. That is where I say geno would have lost them.

Like you said decker had similar stats without the td's last year but I guarantee you he likes fitz much better.

Um geno got punched in the face, and the locker room was silent. The same locker room calls Ryan "fitzmagic" not only is he a leader, but, he took this team by the balls, made it his, and won't let these guys lose.

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[OCCH]

Glad to see Marshall get team MVP. Hopefully management has the same definition of "valuable" when Fitz's contract negotiations come up in the off-season. I love the guy, but still think he's more replaceable than some here do.

I definitely want him back, but at a cost that reflects his true value, not one that's based on how much better he is than the crap we've watched for a decade . . .

 

[flgreen]

Um geno got punched in the face, and the locker room was silent. The same locker room calls Ryan "fitzmagic" not only is he a leader, but, he took this team by the balls, made it his, and won't let these guys lose.

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Even more then that, after the last Bills game several players when over and shook hands with, or hugged IK

 

[mykcuz]

Glad to see Marshall get team MVP. Hopefully management has the same definition of "valuable" when Fitz's contract negotiations come up in the off-season. I love the guy, but still think he's more replaceable than some here do.

I definitely want him back, but at a cost that reflects his true value, not one that's based on how much better he is than the crap we've watched for a decade . . .

If you want to plug numbers into a machine and get a typical contract value, he's justifying a big contract.

A point someone made that made sense to me was this, does Fitz make sense to another team? He's in a great position to succeed, and he's succeeding. But will another team without Marshall, without gaileys system see the same value to acquiring Fitz? Probably not. He does make sense for the Jets and the Jets make sense for him. And I think he's made his money and is ready to be a team player. I think they settle at 7-9 million and 4 years, 2 guaranteed.

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