Should Mac be fired as much as Bowles?

[Mainejet]

There's NO doubt in my mind that Mac shoulders some of the blame for shit show. He did his share. Say what you'd like, but OL as probably the BIGGEST need this team had. The idea of saying, "fuck the OL, what we have will be fine for another season." is a complete idiot decision.

I have said since day one, drafting Darron Lee and Christian Hackenberg was pure STUPIDITY. Darron Lee is a part time niche player at best. He's NOT what you would expect from a 1st round draft choice. What should be expected from a 1st rounder is to have a player that: 1)Plays every down, not just when the Jets happen to line up in a 4-3 formation. When you waste all of the equity in a 1st rounder for that little a benefit, what does that tell you about your GM? It tells you he's a dumb shit that completely ignored the bigger picture. The fact is, if Darron Lee were available in the 4th or 5th round to confront a very specific need? That's a very good pick. When you waste a 1st rounder? It makes you look pretty dumb. 2) Confronts a need.......Darron Lee confronts a VERY specific need and certainly not a huge need like OL was. Not to mention he is vastly undersized and will/has gotten owned by pulling Guards.

Christian Hackenberg???? WTF are the NYJ, a fucking QB resurrection institute???? Hackenberg is a HUGE gamble and a 2nd rounder was Mac's last opportunity at getting a need player in an OL.

The fact is, he completely mismanaged the draft and he DOES deserve a lot of blame for this complete crap that we get to watch every weekend.

All in all, it's Todd Bowles that absolutely must go. He sucks far wore than Mac ever even thought. I think Mac should stay knowing he'd better start unfucking what he fucked up.............

 

[Bigmoe]

I have to agree.
And no it's not a knee jerk reaction that I've been reading about Jet fans just want to fire the coach every year. I've watched this team hold on to players , coaches , QBs , RBs , TEs , blah blah , for that extra year or more.
First time in 46 years I'm selling or trying to , my tickets since Oct.
I've seen better playing teams from Charlie Winner, Lou Holtz , and Kotite .

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

Not quite sure I understand the premise that Maccagnan "ignored" the offensive line. We brought in Ryan Clady, after Brick retired. It was the best FA option Macc had. He hasn't been bad this year, but injury and salary probably mean he won't be back.

Macc signed our best O-lineman in Carpenter. Brian Winters has quietly had a decent season after the team wisely exercised some patience in letting him develop. Mangold is still solid, but age is taking it's toll. He cannot be Thor forever. Ijalana and Qvale have been average.

I don't think the offensive line has been the problem, despite early season struggles with run blocking. Maccagnan isn't the problem with this team, either.

 

[Mainejet]

Not quite sure I understand the premise that Maccagnan "ignored" the offensive line. We brought in Ryan Clady, after Brick retired. It was the best FA option Macc had. He hasn't been bad this year, but injury and salary probably mean he won't be back.

Macc signed our best O-lineman in Carpenter. Brian Winters has quietly had a decent season after the team wisely exercised some patience in letting him develop. Mangold is still solid, but age is taking it's toll. He cannot be Thor forever. Ijalana and Qvale have been average.

I don't think the offensive line has been the problem, despite early season struggles with run blocking. Maccagnan isn't the problem with this team, either.

I didn't say he ignored the OL altogether. However, he did ignore the OL in the draft. The need for an OL was already there long before Brick announced his retirement. Clady was supposed to be that replacement, but that whole deal blew up in his face. We inherited the same problems Denver used to have.

But going into the draft everyone knew they needed an OL. They needed a STARTER. Well, instead he said to hell with the OL. He had planned on trading up for Laremy Tunsil, but somehow he failed in getting that done. THEN? In the 2nd round with that need still very important, he decided to draft an experimental QB. So what we yielded was a part time, situational type player that fills a very specific need in the wheel route. But the CS runs a hybrid 3-4. Whenever the defense is playing a 3-4? Darron Lee is pretty much useless unless they deploy him as a Safety.

Either way his benefit for the defense this season is nil. Even worse than that we get NOTHING in return for Hackenberg this season. All we have is a guy that is a HUGE gamble, taking up cap space, and a glimmer of hope.

Look no farther than our 1st and 2nd round draft choices as the reason we are 3-7, soon to be 4-12? 5-11? Mac did NOT get players in areas that were needed. The OL is probably the very biggest reason why this team sucks so bad this season. It all starts in the trenches and most people would point to the OL as the number 1 reason why this team has had such a horrid season............

 

[McJet]

I didn't say he ignored the OL altogether. However, he did ignore the OL in the draft. The need for an OL was already there long before Brick announced his retirement. Clady was supposed to be that replacement, but that whole deal blew up in his face. We inherited the same problems Denver used to have.

But going into the draft everyone knew they needed an OL. They needed a STARTER. Well, instead he said to hell with the OL. He had planned on trading up for Laremy Tunsil, but somehow he failed in getting that done. THEN? In the 2nd round with that need still very important, he decided to draft an experimental QB. So what we yielded was a part time, situational type player that fills a very specific need in the wheel route. But the CS runs a hybrid 3-4. Whenever the defense is playing a 3-4? Darron Lee is pretty much useless unless they deploy him as a Safety.

Either way his benefit for the defense this season is nil. Even worse than that we get NOTHING in return for Hackenberg this season. All we have is a guy that is a HUGE gamble, taking up cap space, and a glimmer of hope.

Look no farther than our 1st and 2nd round draft choices as the reason we are 3-7, soon to be 4-12? 5-11? Mac did NOT get players in areas that were needed. The OL is probably the very biggest reason why this team sucks so bad this season. It all starts in the trenches and most people would point to the OL as the number 1 reason why this team has had such a horrid season............

Darron Lee, before hurting his ankle, was leading the Jets in tackles, i believe. The kid still needs to grow into the job.
Having the benefit of ten games into the season, who do you think the Jets should have drafted at 20?
As far as Maccagnan not being able to trade up for Tunsil, who knows the price being asked to be paid to trade up? If Maccagnan deemed it too rich, then i'll go with it.
Until Hackenberg proves to be the bust everyone seems to think he'll be, i'll reserve judgement on that pick.
Though instead of Hackenberg, whom should the Jets have drafted instead? and Mainejet, don't get me wrong. i understand fully what you're saying.
The picks that have been made are not playing well enough, except L.Williams.
Maulden, J.Jenkins, D. Smith and even Lee need to have much more of an impact on this team.
I think this offseason and draft will be heavily focused on O-line and CB's. A true every down RB wouldn't hurt either.
The only position going forward that might be a strength is WR.
Who could be off the Jets next year;
Revis, Gilchrist, Harris, Henderson, Richardson(trade),
Clady, Giacomini, Winters(FA), G. Smith(FA), Fitzpatdick(FA,SUCKS), maybe even Mangold and B.Marshall.
If/when they cut Revis, there should be no outcry for him.Everyone should remember when he was at the top of his game he squeezed the Jets for every last penny he could get, even to the point they had to trade him because of his demands for money. Now, he is getting paid top money and performing at a mid to low level player, a mere shadow of what he used to be. Great career Darrelle,Thank you for all those great memories. That's all we have now of you being a great player, memories.

 

[Mainejet]

Darron Lee, before hurting his ankle, was leading the Jets in tackles, i believe. The kid still needs to grow into the job.
Having the benefit of ten games into the season, who do you think the Jets should have drafted at 20?
As far as Maccagnan not being able to trade up for Tunsil, who knows the price being asked to be paid to trade up? If Maccagnan deemed it too rich, then i'll go with it.
Until Hackenberg proves to be the bust everyone seems to think he'll be, i'll reserve judgement on that pick.
Though instead of Hackenberg, whom should the Jets have drafted instead? and Mainejet, don't get me wrong. i understand fully what you're saying.
The picks that have been made are not playing well enough, except L.Williams.
Maulden, J.Jenkins, D. Smith and even Lee need to have much more of an impact on this team.
I think this offseason and draft will be heavily focused on O-line and CB's. A true every down RB wouldn't hurt either.
The only position going forward that might be a strength is WR.
Who could be off the Jets next year;
Revis, Gilchrist, Harris, Henderson, Richardson(trade),
Clady, Giacomini, Winters(FA), G. Smith(FA), Fitzpatdick(FA,SUCKS), maybe even Mangold and B.Marshall.
If/when they cut Revis, there should be no outcry for him.Everyone should remember when he was at the top of his game he squeezed the Jets for every last penny he could get, even to the point they had to trade him because of his demands for money. Now, he is getting paid top money and performing at a mid to low level player, a mere shadow of what he used to be. Great career Darrelle,Thank you for all those great memories. That's all we have now of you being a great player, memories.

Who should they have taken instead of Lee at 20? Well, there was Lequan Treadwell that was available, they could have taken Paxton Lynch, but most of all what I would have preferred is for them to either have traded up and grabbed Laremy Tunsil or trade down and out of the 1st round. that would have allowed them to get multiple 2nd rounders for which they could have used at least one on Jason Spriggs. The Packers thought so much of him that they traded up in the 2nd to grab him.

Instead what he did do has had little no benefit for this team this season.

What he did do was select a midget with a 1st rounder to fill a very specific role, NOT a player, but a role player. That to me is a completely irresponsible WASTE of a 1st round draft choice. Hack is complete feast or famine there will never be any middle ground with him and more than likely (because QB's are such a gamble in general) will never amount to anything.

But like I said in the thread opening, I really believe Mac selected Lee based on Bowles wishes. Bowles thought he was going to have a finished defense, a polished one. Darron Lee was selected to put the defense over the top. To make them championship ready. The fact is, Darron Lee has been anything but that...........