So where is Mac in this shit show?

[Mainejet]

We all know Todd Bowles sucks and should be fired. Certainly no argument here. But what about Mac? Are you OK with Mac utilizing two 1st day picks on a part time, situational LB that has produced 66 tackles and 1 sack and a RED SHIRTED (Mac's words, not mine)QB? This....over and above an OL when there were tons of good OL to be had in round 1 via trading up or trading back and tons of great, young prospects in the 2nd round?

Knowing what you now about Lee and Hackenberg, would you have made those selections or would you have utilized at least 1 (more than likely 2) on OL? Would that have not been the more responsible draft?

For me this draft is almost a complete waste of time. I can think of so many much more desirable selections than Lee and Hack. We have gotten ZERO out of Hack. Many here claimed Lee would put the defense over the top, he would finish off the linebacking corp. Well, Sheldon Richardson, of all people started at OLB today? That to me is a clear indication that Lee is not the player that Mac and Bowles claimed he was.

What do you say? What will be the general consensus opinion of the 2016 draft in say? 2019?

 

[usapaw]

He is right where Doogie Johnson put him; in an observation room unable to do anything. You can try to blame this sh*t show on him but he is not allowed to do anything with the team, as he never had the power to fire the bum named Bowles. He should beg for his firing from this absolute disaster.

 

[Elias]

Mac is definitely on notice. He's supposed to be a draft guru but has not drafted anyone worth a damn besides Williams. Obviously it's too early but no one has shown much from his drafts

Devin Smith is useless
Lorenzo Mauldin is useless
Petty - jury is still out on him but doesn't look good.
Jarvis Harrison is useless
Deon Simon hasn't done anything

Lee - doesn't look good
Hack - red shirt
Jordan Jenkins - average and has mad no impact plays. Looks slow out there.
Burris - he looks good
Brandon Shell looked awful as LT but okay as RT
Edwards looks like a good punter
Peake is a solid pick for round 7

 

[jets82]

Glad you started this thread. Mac is the director of this shit show or producer rather. Either way, his ass needs to go just like TB. Take the rest of the CS with them. I know this is only the second year of this regime but this shit is ridiculous. I don't even see how they are going to fix this mess. Another season like this with this regime and we can definitely say we are back in the Kotite days.

 

[usapaw]

How is this Mac's fault if he cant fire anyone? He was a fool to agree to Woody's terms. He may have wanted to fire TB last year? We don't know if we have any talent as the coaching staff is totally inept. Fire Bowles and hire a real coach; if the players still are crap then fire Mac.

 

[McJet]

I'm having a problem with the fact that Bryce Petty hasn't played a game of football in the rain. He looked totally useless on his three pass attempts.
How can someone that is drafting for a northeast team that plays in the elements of winter and has to play in buffalo and New England draft someone that cannot throw wet ball.
Petty is done here.
Next.......

 

[SackExchange]

Way too early to judge anything about Mac. Wait until we see what the drafts have produced, and for that, you need time.

Besides, this revolving door of head coaches and general managers never, ever, ever works.

 

[Elias]

Way too early to judge anything about Mac. Wait until we see what the drafts have produced, and for that, you need time.

Besides, this revolving door of head coaches and general managers never, ever, ever works.

i don't think we can or should fire Mac either. He needs time as do most GMs however he should be made aware that he needs to build a better team. Whats on the football field right now does not make resemble a football team. I think we would lose to Alabama if the two played.

 

[Elias]

I'm having a problem with the fact that Bryce Petty hasn't played a game of football in the rain. He looked totally useless on his three pass attempts.
How can someone that is drafting for a northeast team that plays in the elements of winter and has to play in buffalo and New England draft someone that cannot throw wet ball.
Petty is done here.
Next.......

Petty needs time to develop but even so, I do not think he will be a starter with us for the long term. When he's on the field, the offensive line looks totally inept. As soon as Fitz came in, the pressure died down. Not sure how you can teach a QB how to read a defense but whatever we are doing does not work.

 

[jets82]

Petty needs time to develop but even so, I do not think he will be a starter with us for the long term. When he's on the field, the offensive line looks totally inept. As soon as Fitz came in, the pressure died down. Not sure how you can teach a QB how to read a defense but whatever we are doing does not work.

I agree with what your saying about Petty. I'm really hoping Hack starts next week and shows us something. This would actually be a perfect scenario because it will give us all something to look forward to. Then hopefully he'll be 100% ready to take over next year. If not that, then draft a QB in whatever round and let him, Hack and Petty fight it out for starter. They should sign a quality vet to fight it out with them but hopefully Hack or the rookie wins the job. Of course fitzshitty and Geno gets cut. They could then probably trade Petty for a 7th rounder and get something for him. Wishful thinking!!!!

 

[Mainejet]

Mac is definitely on notice. He's supposed to be a draft guru but has not drafted anyone worth a damn besides Williams. Obviously it's too early but no one has shown much from his drafts

Devin Smith is useless
Lorenzo Mauldin is useless
Petty - jury is still out on him but doesn't look good.
Jarvis Harrison is useless
Deon Simon hasn't done anything

Lee - doesn't look good
Hack - red shirt
Jordan Jenkins - average and has mad no impact plays. Looks slow out there.
Burris - he looks good
Brandon Shell looked awful as LT but okay as RT
Edwards looks like a good punter
Peake is a solid pick for round 7

Honestly, this is even more honest than I thought of being? Very scathing, but equally honest. The role players is really what concerns nm e the most. If Mauldin and Jenkins were doing their part, I am certain there would be no need for Sheldon to play linebacker ? Wasting two 1st day picks on two players that have barely helped the team at all is extremely alarming. Everyone knows it was necessity for Mac to select an OL durin he 1st day in the last draft. The fact that he didn't is unforgivable.

Now I agree with you, Mac should not be fired. But I am certain, the 2016 draft will go down as one of the worst in Jets history.

 

[Mainejet]

Glad you started this thread. Mac is the director of this shit show or producer rather. Either way, his ass needs to go just like TB. Take the rest of the CS with them. I know this is only the second year of this regime but this shit is ridiculous. I don't even see how they are going to fix this mess. Another season like this with this regime and we can definitely say we are back in the Kotite days.

I understand you being upset with what Mac did or didn't do, god knows it's easy to do so. However, I think Mac deserves another chance. Part of me thinks the Darron Lee pick was all Bowles idea? He used little twerp linebackers in AZ. So I think Mac may have opted to do Bowles wanted? It's obvious the Lee pick has blown up in Bowles face. Lee is severely miscast in a 3-4 hybrid. I really don't think Mac would have ever picked Lee if it weren't for Bowles nagging him?

I think Mac should be given authority to fire Bowles and select his own replacement? Then, if he fails again with the draft, he should be fired also...

 

[butterscotch]

We all know Todd Bowles sucks and should be fired. Certainly no argument here. But what about Mac? Are you OK with Mac utilizing two 1st day picks on a part time, situational LB that has produced 66 tackles and 1 sack and a RED SHIRTED (Mac's words, not mine)QB? This....over and above an OL when there were tons of good OL to be had in round 1 via trading up or trading back and tons of great, young prospects in the 2nd round?

Knowing what you now about Lee and Hackenberg, would you have made those selections or would you have utilized at least 1 (more than likely 2) on OL? Would that have not been the more responsible draft?

For me this draft is almost a complete waste of time. I can think of so many much more desirable selections than Lee and Hack. We have gotten ZERO out of Hack. Many here claimed Lee would put the defense over the top, he would finish off the linebacking corp. Well, Sheldon Richardson, of all people started at OLB today? That to me is a clear indication that Lee is not the player that Mac and Bowles claimed he was.

What do you say? What will be the general consensus opinion of the 2016 draft in say? 2019?

Don't put words into my mouth lol I would keep Bowles another year unless you can dig up vince or Weeb.

 

[butterscotch]

Look Woody is a huge problem but Big mac needs players...lots of them.........We need lots of talent for our coach/team.

As I have been saying out with the old & in with the new

 

[Elias]

This has been a brutal year and we are looking at everything through a very critical lense. Having said that, Bowles should go. Like Jetgreen always says there's nothing that I see him improving on to make it worth bringing back. As for Mac, he needs additional time because a draft can't be evaluated until a few years down the line

Heres my case on why Bowles needs to be shown the door:

People who were productive just a year ago have fallen off the face of the earth. I think if the coach uses better schemes, Sheldon, Mo, Leonard Williams, Mauldin, Lee, Pryor, Harris and Revis could all have better years.

Mauldin looked good last year. Was getting pressure and we were all saying how he needs to take the next step in stopping the run. Fast forward to this year, the defensive genius Bowles, decides to put Sheldon as OLB. This move puts Sheldon at a position that he's not meant for and caused Mauldin to regress because he didn't get the playing time he needs.

Revis was getting abused by wide receivers since opening day when AJ Green ran wild on our secondary. Bowles did not offer any help and to this day still leaves our backs on an island. Stubborn. One of our posters Mike, was lobbying before the season began that we should use Revis the way Pats did. Put him against their #2 and then double team's top wideouts. No creativity from Bowles.

Team was stubborn to move on from what was not working. Fitz through five interceptions but he was still trotted out there to play the next week. Powell, who has been our lone bright spot didn't get on the field until Forte tore his meniscus.

Going into the half with three timeouts and no desire to use a two minute offense to th to score some points on multiple occasions. Down two scores and punting the ball to Big Ben in the fourth quarter. Bowles was the only one who thought the jets defense would get a stop and get the ball back. Yesterday's blunder of kicking a field goal while a blow out was going on.

Two main reasons for this season being shit are Bowles and Fitz. Both need to get the boot.

 

[jetgreen13]

not nearly enough impact from his drafts so far.. he looked like a genius trading for fitzpatrick & marshall for a couple of bags of rocks.. now, obviously not so much..

the lee & hackenberg picks looked shaky by many at the time & even more so today..

maine called it with lee early & often.. the kid doesn't look like an impact player in the making.. i go thru long stretches were i forget he's on the field..

maybe bowles did badger maccagnan into the pick?? yeah well, tough shit.. he drafted the kid at 20 & his resume will always say as much..

the hackenberg pick is looking more ass backwards on a weekly basis.. now even the guys calling the the games are wondering aloud, why the **** the jets haven't even dressed the kid on game day yet..

i wouldn't be in favor of canning maccagnan just yet but the honeymoon could not be more over..

 

[SackExchange]

Mac is definitely on notice. He's supposed to be a draft guru but has not drafted anyone worth a damn besides Williams. Obviously it's too early but no one has shown much from his drafts

Devin Smith is useless
Lorenzo Mauldin is useless
Petty - jury is still out on him but doesn't look good.
Jarvis Harrison is useless
Deon Simon hasn't done anything

Lee - doesn't look good
Hack - red shirt
Jordan Jenkins - average and has mad no impact plays. Looks slow out there.
Burris - he looks good
Brandon Shell looked awful as LT but okay as RT
Edwards looks like a good punter
Peake is a solid pick for round 7

Disagree about Mauldin. I would not say he is useless. I also think Lee can play, if he finds the right system. I'd also be a bit higher on Jenkins, and if Shell works out at RT, that's a solid pick.

 

[soj]

I'm having a problem with the fact that Bryce Petty hasn't played a game of football in the rain. He looked totally useless on his three pass attempts.
How can someone that is drafting for a northeast team that plays in the elements of winter and has to play in buffalo and New England draft someone that cannot throw wet ball.
Petty is done here.
Next.......

well lest see... wouldn't the CS know that? Would a competent CS make take the ball and wet it to see how he can grip it? Seems to me a competent CS would have but hey that is just me...

 

[soj]

GM needs three years so he should stay another year but not TB...he needs to get the F out along with most if not all the under performing vets.

 

[Elias]

Disagree about Mauldin. I would not say he is useless. I also think Lee can play, if he finds the right system. I'd also be a bit higher on Jenkins, and if Shell works out at RT, that's a solid pick.

sorry sack. I agree with you. I didn't elaborate as much as I should have. Shell will be a good pick if he turns out to produce. Jenkins has shown flashes but not sure if he'll be a starter going forward if we get real talent to play at that position. As for Mauldin, he's not useless but our coaching staff has rendered him useless.