TB will announce Jets' starting QB next Monday

[jets82]

Not much. But once again, this team is NOT going to win this season anyway. So what's the point in starting the guy who won the competition? This team is so talent depleted that ideally they should be chasing the number 1 pick.What sense does it make to install McCown as the starter and possibly jeopardize that chance at the 1st pick?

Moreover, the Jets CS needs to see once and for all if Hack or Petty or both are the future of this franchise. Otherwise, it's time to cut bait with them. They will not get an idea about either of them when they are on the bench. So in a vacuum, I can see your point, but you are leaving out the long term plans that SHOULD be at play here?

Your misunderstanding my post it seems, I'm with you 100 percent that Hack should be starting from game one and play the entire year. Problem with that is Hackenburg clearly hasn't shown that he deserves it. Now call TB what you want but but he has given Hack every opportunity to win the job and Hack just hasn't done it. Only other thing was to not have signed McCown in the first place but they would have signed another veteran. In that case, would Hack or Petty have beaten that guy out???

All I'm saying is it's not like Hack is tearing it up out there and they still won't give him the job. It's not like Hack hasn't had any opportunities to prove himself. He has and is coming up short. Like I've always said, either you have it or you don't and maybe Hack just doesn't. He sat the entire year so how much more damn time does the kid need? It's not like he's playing behind and even halfway decent or better then average QB like Alex Smith or Colin Kaepernick where the competition would be much tougher.

If Hack can't beat out McCown then we just may have a big problem here people. Let's all just face that fact. Same with Petty and speaking on him, he had his chance last year and did nothing with it. So I'm not that interested in seeing him. Listen, we all know the Jets had no chance of winning with any QB on this roster this year. The only reason I was even going to bother watching the Jets was the to see could this young core grow together and be competitive. Lead by Hackenburg, not McCown or Petty!!! So I feel your pain but facts are facts, Hack may just be a bust.

Note: Deshone Kizer was just announced the starter for the Browns. A second round pick, like Hack but Kizer won his job. Adding insult to injury, this is Hackenburg's second year and Kizer is a rookie. See what I mean.

 

[USANYJ]

Your misunderstanding my post it seems, I'm with you 100 percent that Hack should be starting from game one and play the entire year. Problem with that is Hackenburg clearly hasn't shown that he deserves it. Now call TB what you want but but he has given Hack every opportunity to win the job and Hack just hasn't done it. Only other thing was to not have signed McCown in the first place but they would have signed another veteran. In that case, would Hack or Petty have beaten that guy out???

All I'm saying is it's not like Hack is tearing it up out there and they still won't give him the job. It's not like Hack hasn't had any opportunities to prove himself. He has and is coming up short. Like I've always said, either you have it or you don't and maybe Hack just doesn't. He sat the entire year so how much more damn time does the kid need? It's not like he's playing behind and even halfway decent or better then average QB like Alex Smith or Colin Kaepernick where the competition would be much tougher.

If Hack can't beat out McCown then we just may have a big problem here people. Let's all just face that fact. Same with Petty and speaking on him, he had his chance last year and did nothing with it. So I'm not that interested in seeing him. Listen, we all know the Jets had no chance of winning with any QB on this roster this year. The only reason I was even going to bother watching the Jets was the to see could this young core grow together and be competitive. Lead by Hackenburg, not McCown or Petty!!! So I feel your pain but facts are facts, Hack may just be a bust.

Note: Deshone Kizer was just announced the starter for the Browns. A second round pick, like Hack but Kizer won his job. Adding insult to injury, this is Hackenburg's second year and Kizer is a rookie. See what I mean.

Totally get what you're saying but some people do develop at a different pace. Drew brees was thrown aside by the chargers and then the dolphins for culpepper. The rest was saints history.

 

[jets82]

Totally get what you're saying but some people do develop at a different pace. Drew brees was thrown aside by the chargers and then the dolphins for culpepper. The rest was saints history.

I may be wrong but Breez starting his first year somewhere along the line. Can't remember if he was lighting it up with the Chargers but maybe he wasn't because they drafted Rivers. They got rid of him because of Rivers and his shoulder injury, which I think that may have been the primary reason they drafted Rivers in the first place. The Dolphins passed on Breez for Culpepper because of his injury. I would love to Hack be our guy. I've been pushing for it since they drafted him. He was the #1 recruit period coming out of high school. Went to PSU and was a monster his rookie year under Obrien. It all seem to go to shit after Bill and a lot of their key players left the next year, but Hack stood in there for two years and took a beating. Showed heart and leadership in my opinion. Now he's sat a full year and he should be ready. He really shouldn't need more time then that but appears he does. That's very upsetting if that's the case or maybe he's a bust. Which is even worse.

 

[lounap23]

I may be wrong but Breez starting his first year somewhere along the line. Can't remember if he was lighting it up with the chargers but maybe he wasn't because they drafted Rivers. They got rid of him because of Rivers and shoulder injury, which I think that may have been the primary reason they drafted Rivers in the first place. The Dolphins passed on Breez for Culpepper because of his injury. I would love to Hack be our guy. I've been pushing for it since they drafted him. He was the #1 recruit period coming out of high school. Went to PSU and was a monster his rookie year under Obrien. It all seem to go to shit after Bill and a lot of their key players left the next year but Hack stood on there for two years and took a beating. Showed heart and leadership in my opinion. Now he's sat a full year and he should be ready. He really shouldn't need more time then that but appears he does. That's very upsetting or maybe he's a bust which is even worse.

Brees sat his 1st year.. Had mediocre 2nd year, bad 3rd year... Chargers drafted Rivers and Brees blew up in year 4.. Started put well in year 5 then had the shoulder injury and a tough 5th year with the chargers, Chargers already decided to move onto Rivers the injury scared the Dolphins off in the offseason and the saints jumped on him, The rest is history.. Well technically it all is...LOL

 

[jets82]

Brees sat his 1st year.. Had mediocre 2nd year, bad 3rd year... Chargers drafted Rivers and Brees blew up in year 4.. Started put well in year 5 then had the shoulder injury and a tough 5th year with the chargers, Chargers already decided to move onto Rivers the injury scared the Dolphins off in the offseason and the saints jumped on him, The rest is history.. Well technically it all is...LOL

Oh ok, I wasn't clear on it but thanks

 

[jets82]

Here's the deal or what it looks like anyway. Hack isn't ready but their doing everything they can and hoping he will show enough to justify starting him game one. I get it and glad their doing this. It appears they don't just want to hand it to him and I get that to. They probably even want or are hoping that with the best QB of what they have, they won't be as bad of a dumpster fire as all are expected. Atleast be a respectable and I get that also and want the same as we all do. I just want that QB to be Hack to legitimately win the job and do this and not the other two. As most of us feel the same. With all that said, who gives a shit!!!

The Jets will be a dumpster fire regardless with this talent and especially the QBs. Even a above average QB may only get them to about 5-6 wins at most. That is what I was hoping would be the case with Hack at the least. However it doesn't appear so. Start the kid regardless and let's just go 0-16. Why the hell not. It's not like they we're going to win 10 games with the other two or TB would have announced them the starter already. With the other two QBs, I don't see the Jets winning 5 games either. So TB and the CS staff are probably not going to put Hack on the field game one if he doesn't deserve it. They also want the best QB in there to win the most games but we simply just don't have that. So just start Hack and let him take his lumps.

 

[Mainejet]

Your misunderstanding my post it seems, I'm with you 100 percent that Hack should be starting from game one and play the entire year. Problem with that is Hackenburg clearly hasn't shown that he deserves it. Now call TB what you want but but he has given Hack every opportunity to win the job and Hack just hasn't done it. Only other thing was to not have signed McCown in the first place but they would have signed another veteran. In that case, would Hack or Petty have beaten that guy out???

All I'm saying is it's not like Hack is tearing it up out there and they still won't give him the job. It's not like Hack hasn't had any opportunities to prove himself. He has and is coming up short. Like I've always said, either you have it or you don't and maybe Hack just doesn't. He sat the entire year so how much more damn time does the kid need? It's not like he's playing behind and even halfway decent or better then average QB like Alex Smith or Colin Kaepernick where the competition would be much tougher.

If Hack can't beat out McCown then we just may have a big problem here people. Let's all just face that fact. Same with Petty and speaking on him, he had his chance last year and did nothing with it. So I'm not that interested in seeing him. Listen, we all know the Jets had no chance of winning with any QB on this roster this year. The only reason I was even going to bother watching the Jets was the to see could this young core grow together and be competitive. Lead by Hackenburg, not McCown or Petty!!! So I feel your pain but facts are facts, Hack may just be a bust.

Note: Deshone Kizer was just announced the starter for the Browns. A second round pick, like Hack but Kizer won his job. Adding insult to injury, this is Hackenburg's second year and Kizer is a rookie. See what I mean.

I understand your post perfectly. I just feel that the long term best interests for this team is to see what Hack and Petty have. And yes, I couldn't agree more that Hack has been garbage so far. But I still want to see him and not McCown. I don't have anything against McCown, I just know he's not our future and therefore, like you mentioned, he probably never should have been signed. Hack has NOT beaten out McCown. Hell, he hasn't even beaten out Petty for that matter. Right now, I believe he's third string in the QB rotation. Petty outplayed him in the last preseason game.with much less talent around him.

 

[jets82]

I understand your post perfectly. I just feel that the long term best interests for this team is to see what Hack and Petty have. And yes, I couldn't agree more that Hack has been garbage so far. But I still want to see him and not McCown. I don't have anything against McCown, I just know he's not our future and therefore, like you mentioned, he probably never should have been signed. Hack has NOT beaten out McCown. Hell, he hasn't even beaten out Petty for that matter. Right now, I believe he's third string in the QB rotation. Petty outplayed him in the last preseason game.with much less talent around him.

I understand and agree 100 percent with you. I just wanted Hack to earn the job. Not be given the job, if he hasn't earned it. The last thing I want to see is that old below average bastard QB playing this year. I don't want to see Petty either. Now as I stated in a different post on this thread, Hack should be given the job anyway because the other two QBs are just as garbage. So what are we losing here???

But this isn't how it's supposed to really work and we all now that. Best man should win the job and when it comes to a youngster and a vet, if the youngsters play is close enough, just go with the youngsters. Problem is, is Hackenburg's play close enough? I was hoping Hack would legitimately win the job, that's all. It would make us all feel a lot better about him playing and probably work out well. Guess we'll see because the decision still hasn't been made. Obviously they want Hack to win the job. He just doesn't seem to making it an easy decision.

 

[Mainejet]

I don't even think Hack's play has managed to surpass Bryce Petty, let alone McCown? Petty looked MUCH better in his lone performance versus Hack's both games in the preseason. Hack does not take any chances downfield, he does not go through progressions, he has poor pocket awareness, he cannot identify the blitz, he has the worst accuracy I think I've ever seen. In fact, I would take Mark Sanchez or Geno Smth before I would even consider taking Hack based on what we know up to this point. Hack deserves to be bench warming and quite frankly we need to start to wonder how long he'll be able to hold on to a roster spot?

 

[jets82]

Call me crazy and maybe it's just wishful thinking but I think TB is going to announce Hack the starter. Whether it's because he is told to do so or he decides himself. I think that's why he's waiting so long to decide or announce the decision. I'm guessing he's giving Hack every chance to justify doing so and to feel better about it. This season and QB situation is like nothing I think this or any organization has ever encountered.

I'm hoping TB get a pass this season because that will truly help him feel better about starting Hack all season. They need find out what this kid can do because of all the top QB prospects coming out next year. I'm not quite sure 6, or 8 or 10 games are going to do it. Give him a full season to go 1-15 with 2200 yards and 13 TDs, 20 ints, 45 sacks and 15 fumbles or 6-10 with 3100 yards and 22 TDs, 10 ints, 25 sacks and 5 fumbles. Just throwing numbers out there of course!!!

Note: this is all a pipe dream I know but let me live it in peace please!!!

 

[NewMFS62]

If it isn't Petty, the fans should be surrounding the team office carrying pitchforks and torches.

Later

 

[jets82]

After tonight's game, all I can say is wow!!! Please don't believe the hype of Petty, that was a pipe dream and you all will be disappointed. Does it matter really who he starts??? This team is going 0-16 with any QB on this roster. Say hello to Barksdale or Allen.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

After tonight's game, all I can say is wow!!! Please don't believe the hype of Petty, that was a pipe dream and you all will be disappointed. Does it matter really who he starts??? This team is going 0-16 with any QB on this roster. Say hello to Barksdale or Allen.

I still believe Petty is the best option. Hack is not an NFL QB. Believing that hype is way dumber than believing the Petty hype. Petty may never be a franchise QB, but he can at least be developed as a backup. The Jets as a whole are a pile of trash.

 

[LIJETFAN]

This team is rebuilding so I am not sure what anyone here expected this year. The Giants are a better team. They are legitimate SB contenders and will compete with the Cowboys for the Division Title. The Jets are not even close to that level at this point. Now we can debate whether getting rid of Decker was a good idea - I was against that move. But I do subscribe to the point of view that this is all Mac's fault or Bowles. You have to go back to the drafts before they arrived to see where this roster feel apart. Go back to the Rex drafts and the Idzik drafts. Let's take a look shall we:

1	Calvin Pryor	18	DB	2016	0	0	3	14	44												2	0.5	Louisville
2	Jace Amaro	49	TE	2016	0	0	0	4	17									41	404	2			Texas Tech
3	Dexter McDougle	80	DB	2016	0	0	0	1	20														Maryland
4	Jalen Saunders	104	WR	2014	0	0	0	0	9									1	7	0			Oklahoma
4	Shaquelle Evans	115	WR		0	0	0																UCLA
4	Dakota Dozier	137	OL	2016	0	0	0	1	17														Furman
5	Jeremiah George	154	LB	2015	0	0	0	1	21														Iowa St.
6	Brandon Dixon	195	DB	2014	0	0	0	1	14												1		NW Missouri St.
6	Quincy Enunwa	209	WR	2016	0	0	1	9	29						1	12	0	80	1172	4			Nebraska
6	IK Enemkpali	210	DT	2015	0	0	0	1	17														Louisiana Tech
6	Tajh Boyd	213	QB		0	0	0																Clemson
7	Trevor Reilly	233	LB	2016	0	0	0	2	31													1.0	Utah
1	Dee Milliner	9	DB	2015	0	0	1	6	21												3		Alabama
1	Sheldon Richardson	13	DT	2016	0	1	2	36	58						4	4	2					18.0	Missouri
2	Geno Smith	39	QB	2016	0	0	2	15	33	501	866	5962	28	36	135	647	7	1	13	0			West Virginia
3	Brian Winters	72	G	2016	0	0	3	15	51														Kent St.
5	Oday Aboushi	141	T	2016	0	0	1	7	26														Virginia
6	William Campbell	178	OL		0	0	0																Michigan
7	Tommy Bohanon	215	RB	2015	0	0	1	1	36						20	67	0	17	155	0			Wake Forest
1	Quinton Coples	16	DE	2015	0	0	2	19	62													16.5	North Carolina
2	Stephen Hill	43	WR	2013	0	0	2	4	23									45	594	4			Georgia Tech
3	Demario Davis	77	LB	2016	0	0	4	32	80												1	8.5	Arkansas St.
6	Josh Bush	187	DB	2015	0	0	0	3	45	0	1	0	0	0							2		Wake Forest
6	Terrance Ganaway	202	RB	2012	0	0	0	0	3														Baylor
6	Robert Griffin	203	OL	2012	0	0	0	0															Baylor
7	Antonio Allen	242	DB	2016	0	0	2	10	50												1	2.5	South Carolina
7	Jordan White	244	WR	2012	0	0	0	0	3									1	13	0			West. Michigan
1	Muhammad Wilkerson	30	DT	2016	0	1	5	59	92												1	41.0	Temple
3	Kenrick Ellis	94	DT	2015	0	0	0	9	56													1.0	Hampton
4	Bilal Powell	126	RB	2016	0	0	1	19	74	1	1	30	0	0	533	2331	10	170	1287	4			Louisville
5	Jeremy Kerley	153	WR	2016	0	0	2	22	90	2	4	83	0	0	18	133	0	246	2892	12			TCU
7	Greg McElroy	208	QB	2012	0	0	0	1	2	19	31	214	1	1	8	30	0						Alabama
7	Scotty McKnight	227	WR		0	0	0																Colorado
1	Kyle Wilson	29	DB	2015	0	0	1	15	95												4	1.0	Boise St.
2	Vlad Ducasse	61	T	2016	0	0	2	13	88														Massachusetts
4	Joe McKnight	112	RB	2014	0	0	0	7	41						113	505	0	23	241	2			USC
5	John Conner

Out of the Idzik 12, one player emerged, Enumwa, who is out of the year. McDougle is a backup. The set of 7 picks, Richardson and Winters are starters. The next 8 picks, Demorrio Davis is reacquired and starts. The next 6 picks, Wilkerson and Powell are good players. So two there. Then 2010, four picks and all were back picks. Out of 37 picks, we have 3 starters, one injured starter and one backup. That is hitting on 10% of your picks. That's atrocious drafting and no roster can have success when the prior 7 drafts look like that.

So this is not on Mac or Bowles. They were given a bad hand and they are trying to rebuild the franchise. Now, let's look at what Mac has done so far in his first few drafts:

1	Jamal Adams	6	S		0	0	0																LSU
2	Marcus Maye	39	S		0	0	0																Florida
3	ArDarius Stewart	79	WR		0	0	0																Alabama
4	Chad Hansen	141	WR		0	0	0																California
5	Jordan Leggett	150	TE		0	0	0																Clemson
5	Dylan Donahue	181	DL		0	0	0																West Georgia
6	Elijah McGuire	188	RB		0	0	0																La-Lafayette
6	Jeremy Clark	197	CB		0	0	0																Michigan
6	Derrick Jones	204	CB		0	0	0																Mississippi
1	Darron Lee	20	OLB	2016	0	0	1	4	13													1.0	Ohio St.
2	Christian Hackenberg	51	QB		0	0	0																Penn St.
3	Jordan Jenkins	83	OLB	2016	0	0	1	5	14													2.5	Georgia
4	Juston Burris	118	CB	2016	0	0	0	1	16												1		North Carolina St.
5	Brandon Shell	158	T	2016	0	0	0	2	8														South Carolina
7	Lac Edwards	235	P	2016	0	0	1	0	16						1	0	0						Sam Houston St.
7	Charone Peake	241	WR	2016	0	0	0	1	15									19	186	0			Clemson
1	Leonard Williams	6	DE	2016	0	1	1	19	32													10.0	USC
2	Devin Smith	37	WR	2016	0	0	0	1	14									10	135	1			Ohio St.
3	Lorenzo Mauldin	82	OLB	2016	0	0	0	4	26												1	6.5	Louisville
4	Bryce Petty	103	QB	2016	0	0	0	2	6	75	133	809	3	7	5	19	0						Baylor
5	Jarvis Harrison	152	G		0	0	0																Texas A&M
7	Deon Simon	223	NT	2016	0	0	0	2	16													1.5	NW State (LA)

This draft we have 2 starters as rookies in Adams and Maye. And another potential starter in Donahue. Stewart and Hansen both look like they can play, but will need some time before they crack the lineup. Leggett same thing. Next draft, Darron Lee, Jordan Jenkins are starters (and yes I believe they will improve dramatically this year), with Burris likely to start. Shell may or may not start, up in the air. Peake may be a starter as well. In his first draft Williams was a no-brainer and a Pro Bowler. Smith injured. Mauldin has underperformed. Petty has played well as a backup. Deon Simon looks like a steal in round 7 and is a spot starter in the middle.

So with 22 picks in three years, Mac has drafted 6 starters on defense. And three potential starters down the line on offense in Stewart, Hansen, Leggett and Peake. Assuming at least two them become starters this year, you have 8 starters out of 22 picks. A 36% rate of converting draft picks into starters, which is very solid. I don't know what the league average is, but I would expect it is somewhere in that range.

My point is, you have to look at this team though the lens of what happened over the prior regimes. Personally, I think the rebuild should have started 3 years ago, but I enjoyed the 2015 season and that team was fun to watch. They came close with Fitzpatrick at QB having a career year. Last year was a wasted season. This year needs to be about developing young players and building for the future, so that next year, this team can take another step with another draft and $80M in cap room. They are three years away, but I think this team is on the right track.

 

[Bigmoe]

If it isn't Petty, the fans should be surrounding the team office carrying pitchforks and torches.

Later

Hahahhaah
they will charge the castle , I mean stadium
but first a stop at
Ye Olde Tavern

 

[jets82]

Unless you guys have heard something that I haven't, tomorrow or later on today is going to be very interesting as far as this decision goes. We all know that Hack doesn't deserve the starting job and they won't give it to him. If they do, it will be an all out shame. Petty has come along but has he really??? What do the coaches think? Do they think that Petty playing and producing against 2nd and 3rd stringers in his 3rd (or is it his 4th) year is enough? Then there's McCown, seems to me they honestly didn't want him to be the starter. If they did, they would have announced it already and played him in game 3. At least a series or two. I believe they wanted the youngsters to step up and they particularly wanted Hack to legitimately win the job. That's why they waited this long and started him in the second and third games. Damn shame, I wanted him to get the job also, but I wanted him to legitimately win it as well. Guess he just doesn't have it and he's simply a bust. If you can't beat out McCown and Petty, then you must be a bust!!!

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

Unless you guys have heard something that I haven't, tomorrow or later on today is going to be very interesting as far as this decision goes. We all know that Hack doesn't deserve the starting job and they won't give it to him. If they do, it will be a all out shame. Petty has come along but has he really??? What do the coaches think? Do they think that Petty playing and producing against 2nd and 3rd stringers in his 3rd (or is it his 4th) year is enough? Then there is McCown, seems to me they honestly didn't want him to be the starter. If they did, they would have announced it already. I believe they wanted the youngsters to step up and they particularly wanted Hack to legimately win the job. That's why they waited this long and started him in the second and third games. Damn shame, I wanted him to get the job also but I wanted him to legimately win it as well. Guess he just doesn't have and he's a bust because if you can't beat out McCown and Petty, then you must be a bust!!!

I still think Petty is the guy. What if he is just the perfect fit for the WCO?? He has leadership qualities that I don't see in Hack. He seems smart. He has plenty of arm talent. He is gets hurt a lot which is concerning, but I think that is because he isn't afraid to take a hit. He has scrambling ability. If Hack had it then I would be happy, but even though he has played the 1's he is still terrible. Bottom line is based on performance regardless of the talent, Petty should be the starter. McCown is worse than Fitz so by default the job goes to Petty. The good thing IMO is at least in being the default choice Petty has performed well enough to be mildly intrigued. I think if not ready for week 1 then McCown gets a game or two and then Petty takes over. If Petty is average then you are still drafting a QB next year and Petty might be a great backup. McCown should be #3 regardless, but we know that won't happen.

 

[jets82]

I still believe Petty is the best option. Hack is not an NFL QB. Believing that hype is way dumber than believing the Petty hype. Petty may never be a franchise QB, but he can at least be developed as a backup. The Jets as a whole are a pile of trash.

Glad you realize that, as I finally realize that Hack is a bust. I truly had high hopes for Hack. Hoping he would have developed to be our guy, so they can draft that blue-chip olinemen or offensive skilled player we also so desperately need. This is going to be a slow and very hard building process. Petty may develop to being a good back-up, as I guess McCown is now. I just hope Petty doesn't win the 4-5 games, as McCown would have done that knocks us out the Barksdale or Allen race.

 

[Mainejet]

This team is rebuilding so I am not sure what anyone here expected this year. The Giants are a better team. They are legitimate SB contenders and will compete with the Cowboys for the Division Title. The Jets are not even close to that level at this point. Now we can debate whether getting rid of Decker was a good idea - I was against that move. But I do subscribe to the point of view that this is all Mac's fault or Bowles. You have to go back to the drafts before they arrived to see where this roster feel apart. Go back to the Rex drafts and the Idzik drafts. Let's take a look shall we:

1	Calvin Pryor	18	DB	2016	0	0	3	14	44												2	0.5	Louisville
2	Jace Amaro	49	TE	2016	0	0	0	4	17									41	404	2			Texas Tech
3	Dexter McDougle	80	DB	2016	0	0	0	1	20														Maryland
4	Jalen Saunders	104	WR	2014	0	0	0	0	9									1	7	0			Oklahoma
4	Shaquelle Evans	115	WR		0	0	0																UCLA
4	Dakota Dozier	137	OL	2016	0	0	0	1	17														Furman
5	Jeremiah George	154	LB	2015	0	0	0	1	21														Iowa St.
6	Brandon Dixon	195	DB	2014	0	0	0	1	14												1		NW Missouri St.
6	Quincy Enunwa	209	WR	2016	0	0	1	9	29						1	12	0	80	1172	4			Nebraska
6	IK Enemkpali	210	DT	2015	0	0	0	1	17														Louisiana Tech
6	Tajh Boyd	213	QB		0	0	0																Clemson
7	Trevor Reilly	233	LB	2016	0	0	0	2	31													1.0	Utah
1	Dee Milliner	9	DB	2015	0	0	1	6	21												3		Alabama
1	Sheldon Richardson	13	DT	2016	0	1	2	36	58						4	4	2					18.0	Missouri
2	Geno Smith	39	QB	2016	0	0	2	15	33	501	866	5962	28	36	135	647	7	1	13	0			West Virginia
3	Brian Winters	72	G	2016	0	0	3	15	51														Kent St.
5	Oday Aboushi	141	T	2016	0	0	1	7	26														Virginia
6	William Campbell	178	OL		0	0	0																Michigan
7	Tommy Bohanon	215	RB	2015	0	0	1	1	36						20	67	0	17	155	0			Wake Forest
1	Quinton Coples	16	DE	2015	0	0	2	19	62													16.5	North Carolina
2	Stephen Hill	43	WR	2013	0	0	2	4	23									45	594	4			Georgia Tech
3	Demario Davis	77	LB	2016	0	0	4	32	80												1	8.5	Arkansas St.
6	Josh Bush	187	DB	2015	0	0	0	3	45	0	1	0	0	0							2		Wake Forest
6	Terrance Ganaway	202	RB	2012	0	0	0	0	3														Baylor
6	Robert Griffin	203	OL	2012	0	0	0	0															Baylor
7	Antonio Allen	242	DB	2016	0	0	2	10	50												1	2.5	South Carolina
7	Jordan White	244	WR	2012	0	0	0	0	3									1	13	0			West. Michigan
1	Muhammad Wilkerson	30	DT	2016	0	1	5	59	92												1	41.0	Temple
3	Kenrick Ellis	94	DT	2015	0	0	0	9	56													1.0	Hampton
4	Bilal Powell	126	RB	2016	0	0	1	19	74	1	1	30	0	0	533	2331	10	170	1287	4			Louisville
5	Jeremy Kerley	153	WR	2016	0	0	2	22	90	2	4	83	0	0	18	133	0	246	2892	12			TCU
7	Greg McElroy	208	QB	2012	0	0	0	1	2	19	31	214	1	1	8	30	0						Alabama
7	Scotty McKnight	227	WR		0	0	0																Colorado
1	Kyle Wilson	29	DB	2015	0	0	1	15	95												4	1.0	Boise St.
2	Vlad Ducasse	61	T	2016	0	0	2	13	88														Massachusetts
4	Joe McKnight	112	RB	2014	0	0	0	7	41						113	505	0	23	241	2			USC
5	John Conner

Out of the Idzik 12, one player emerged, Enumwa, who is out of the year. McDougle is a backup. The set of 7 picks, Richardson and Winters are starters. The next 8 picks, Demorrio Davis is reacquired and starts. The next 6 picks, Wilkerson and Powell are good players. So two there. Then 2010, four picks and all were back picks. Out of 37 picks, we have 3 starters, one injured starter and one backup. That is hitting on 10% of your picks. That's atrocious drafting and no roster can have success when the prior 7 drafts look like that.

So this is not on Mac or Bowles. They were given a bad hand and they are trying to rebuild the franchise. Now, let's look at what Mac has done so far in his first few drafts:

1	Jamal Adams	6	S		0	0	0																LSU
2	Marcus Maye	39	S		0	0	0																Florida
3	ArDarius Stewart	79	WR		0	0	0																Alabama
4	Chad Hansen	141	WR		0	0	0																California
5	Jordan Leggett	150	TE		0	0	0																Clemson
5	Dylan Donahue	181	DL		0	0	0																West Georgia
6	Elijah McGuire	188	RB		0	0	0																La-Lafayette
6	Jeremy Clark	197	CB		0	0	0																Michigan
6	Derrick Jones	204	CB		0	0	0																Mississippi
1	Darron Lee	20	OLB	2016	0	0	1	4	13													1.0	Ohio St.
2	Christian Hackenberg	51	QB		0	0	0																Penn St.
3	Jordan Jenkins	83	OLB	2016	0	0	1	5	14													2.5	Georgia
4	Juston Burris	118	CB	2016	0	0	0	1	16												1		North Carolina St.
5	Brandon Shell	158	T	2016	0	0	0	2	8														South Carolina
7	Lac Edwards	235	P	2016	0	0	1	0	16						1	0	0						Sam Houston St.
7	Charone Peake	241	WR	2016	0	0	0	1	15									19	186	0			Clemson
1	Leonard Williams	6	DE	2016	0	1	1	19	32													10.0	USC
2	Devin Smith	37	WR	2016	0	0	0	1	14									10	135	1			Ohio St.
3	Lorenzo Mauldin	82	OLB	2016	0	0	0	4	26												1	6.5	Louisville
4	Bryce Petty	103	QB	2016	0	0	0	2	6	75	133	809	3	7	5	19	0						Baylor
5	Jarvis Harrison	152	G		0	0	0																Texas A&M
7	Deon Simon	223	NT	2016	0	0	0	2	16													1.5	NW State (LA)

This draft we have 2 starters as rookies in Adams and Maye. And another potential starter in Donahue. Stewart and Hansen both look like they can play, but will need some time before they crack the lineup. Leggett same thing. Next draft, Darron Lee, Jordan Jenkins are starters (and yes I believe they will improve dramatically this year), with Burris likely to start. Shell may or may not start, up in the air. Peake may be a starter as well. In his first draft Williams was a no-brainer and a Pro Bowler. Smith injured. Mauldin has underperformed. Petty has played well as a backup. Deon Simon looks like a steal in round 7 and is a spot starter in the middle.

So with 22 picks in three years, Mac has drafted 6 starters on defense. And three potential starters down the line on offense in Stewart, Hansen, Leggett and Peake. Assuming at least two them become starters this year, you have 8 starters out of 22 picks. A 36% rate of converting draft picks into starters, which is very solid. I don't know what the league average is, but I would expect it is somewhere in that range.

My point is, you have to look at this team though the lens of what happened over the prior regimes. Personally, I think the rebuild should have started 3 years ago, but I enjoyed the 2015 season and that team was fun to watch. They came close with Fitzpatrick at QB having a career year. Last year was a wasted season. This year needs to be about developing young players and building for the future, so that next year, this team can take another step with another draft and $80M in cap room. They are three years away, but I think this team is on the right track.

You're out of your mind with this nonsense. The entire 2016 draft is hot garbage. Just because Lee and Jenkins are starters does not make them good players, it merely says they are the best on THIS roster. This roster might very well be the worst in recent NFL memory. Certainly the worst in franchise history. Both Lee and Jenkins were liabilities on defense last season. Just last Saturday it was on full display to see Lee get beaten like a slave by Evan Engram. A rookie no less. And you think they will improve dramatically this season?

The sum of Lee, Hack, and Jenkins is a resounding ZERO. ALL of Mac's picks prior to this year, besides Leo, is GARBAGE.

However, I agree with you that this year's draft already has two starters that appear to be good players and another starter should emerge from that group. I'm thinking Stewart or Hansen?

This is why after 3 seasons of watching Mac try and FAIL at unfucking this roster, and this team is now WORSE than at any point in the last 20 years, his job is very much on the line. Really the only thing that can save him is this draft becomes a great success.

 

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Glad you realize that, as I finally realize that Hack is a bust. I truly had high hopes for Hack. Hoping he would have developed to be our guy, so they can draft that blue-chip olinemen or offensive skilled player we also so desperately need. This is going to be a slow and very hard building process. Petty may develop to being a good back-up, as I guess McCown is now. I just hope Petty doesn't win the 4-5 games, as McCown would have done that knocks us out the Barksdale or Allen race.

Who is Barksdale? I am all for Sam Darnold, Josh Allen, Josh Rosen and a few others but I have never heard of Barksdale.