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BlindsideD'Brick

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Jet Fanatics
TBH I don't understand this whole "you can't pay all three" mentality.

Do we really plan on paying another CB $15 mill a year once Revis leaves?

Do we assume we'll have to pay franchise QB $$ in the near future? (That would be a WONDERFUL problem to have, but I don't see a reason to believe it will happen).

If you don't think we "need" all three, that's a different story. But if Bowles finds a way to maximize all three into the new Sack Exchange, I really don't think payroll will handcuff them in the least . . .

I wasn't saying you can't pay all three, I was saying would you want to pay all three, considering one or two of them would be rotational players? I'm just doing the math: you've got a 3-4 base, and Richardson, Wilkerson, and Williams taking up three spots for two DE positions. Unless Bowles plans on really moving players around and switching up defensive fronts, stacking the line, then I don't see how you pay a guy big bucks to be a part time, rotational player.

Maybe I'm wrong.
 

OCCH

Pro Bowl 1st Team
Jet Fanatics
I wasn't saying you can't pay all three, I was saying would you want to pay all three, considering one or two of them would be rotational players? I'm just doing the math: you've got a 3-4 base, and Richardson, Wilkerson, and Williams taking up three spots for two DE positions. Unless Bowles plans on really moving players around and switching up defensive fronts, stacking the line, then I don't see how you pay a guy big bucks to be a part time, rotational player.

Maybe I'm wrong.

Sorry, that wasn't directed at you.

That's why I made sure to say there's a difference between "we can't pay all three" and "should we pay all three?" which I know was the point of your post.

But there are many out there saying we won't be able to, and I honestly don't understand why. It would seem to imply those three won't be the best three players on the team, which would be a GREAT problem to have, but not something I'm expecting any time soon . . .
 

cysporsche

Pro Bowl 1st Team
Jet Fanatics
If we were playing a base 4-3, I could see keeping everyone, and even paying everyone. But we run a 3-4 base, and realistically, I don't see how you rotate players making that kind of money. The team is still in the driver's seat regarding Mo's situation, but eventually Maccagnan is going to have to make a decision. If someone's offering multiple high draft picks for him, you have to listen.

Supposedly we ran a 3-4 under Rex as well, wrong ! Watch game tape, especially 3rd down, Coples had his knuckles in the dirt in a 4 man front almost every time. Bowles will be no different. All I know is that we need Snacks as our true NT, and Williams will create havoc on the DL push. Brady has problems when rushed, and our new D is going to pressure him.

Go Jets...Cyborg
 

EBoozer32

Pro Bowl Alternate
Jet Fanatics
OK.... try and stay with me!

This yr. he will be playing for just under $7 mil... next year he'll be playing for $14 mil(franchise)

$7 + $14 = $21 /2 = $11 mil avg. for these next 2 years.(Sorry I thought Tag was $13 mil)

Still cheaper than new contract = Jets in a strong negotiating position considering the other things I listed

All it takes is an ACL tear and his value drops. He'll sign a team friendly deal and still get the money he deserves & why in the hell am I breaking this down for a raiders fan??


How do you figure the Jets can hold onto Muhammad Wilkerson at 9-10 million per year, for next two years.Next year Muhammad Wilkerson is unrestricted Fa, and if they franchise tag him that is closer to 14 million they would have to fork up.( around how much you have to pay the De position)

A team trades for Wilkerson they only have him this year and next year.( if they use the franchise tag too) The franchise tag gets real expensive after that. No team is giving up a lot in a trade without a long term commitment from Wilkerson.

TWo years isn't a longtime for Wilkerson to have a big say where he winds up.

The Jets have to decide if they want Wilkerson. Time to pay him or think about moving him( don't get a fair price than be prepared to keep him.
 
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raideraholic

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OK.... try and stay with me!

This yr. he will be playing for just under $7 mil... next year he'll be playing for $14 mil(franchise)

$7 + $14 = $21 /2 = $11 mil avg. for these next 2 years.(Sorry I thought Tag was $13 mil)

Still cheaper than new contract = Jets in a strong negotiating position considering the other things I listed

All it takes is an ACL tear and his value drops. He'll sign a team friendly deal and still get the money he deserves & why in the hell am I breaking this down for a raiders fan??

First the Jets won't have anywhere near the money in 2016, that they had to play with this year,in free agency. ( 14 million is a lot harder to absorb there)
Two if Muhammad Wilkerson tears his Acl are the Jets going to franchise him for 14 million. ( of course not with a replacement already on the roster).
Three a football career is so short,( could be over at anytime) you have to make maximum value when you can get. See Sione Pouha( who was pretty darn good NT who never made the money he should have- was a team player who got taken advantage of. ( that wouldn't have happen to Revis) A lot of NFL players that happened to, ( all NFL teams are guilty there, not just the Jets)

The ball is in the Jets court- if they want him they will get a deal done. The closer we get to the season without a deal, the more likely they move him , and get the best possible deal for him.( why your Gm hasn't rule out a trade)
 

Parcells123

5th Year Team Option
Jet Fanatics
Thee best scenario and the one most likely to play out is the one where the Jets sign Mo to a fair deal (mid 30's MM guaranteed and about 11-12MM / yr) and then see what develps. If he plays well and stays healthy the Jets will have all sort of options next year. If Williams is a pro stud, mo's trade value with a fair long term deal is enhanced.
 

EBoozer32

Pro Bowl Alternate
Jet Fanatics
I guess this means that you now understand where I get the $9- $10 mil avg. from?(or in this case $10 - $11?)

That was the question you wanted answered originally. Now that I've provided that I have no interest in continuing a conversation with a non-Jets fan on a Jets fan message board about Jets players.


First the Jets won't have anywhere near the money in 2016, that they had to play with this year,in free agency. ( 14 million is a lot harder to absorb there)
Two if Muhammad Wilkerson tears his Acl are the Jets going to franchise him for 14 million. ( of course not with a replacement already on the roster).
Three a football career is so short,( could be over at anytime) you have to make maximum value when you can get. See Sione Pouha( who was pretty darn good NT who never made the money he should have- was a team player who got taken advantage of. ( that wouldn't have happen to Revis) A lot of NFL players that happened to, ( all NFL teams are guilty there, not just the Jets)

The ball is in the Jets court- if they want him they will get a deal done. The closer we get to the season without a deal, the more likely they move him , and get the best possible deal for him.( why your Gm hasn't rule out a trade)
 
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sg3

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I guess this means that you now understand where I get the $9- $10 mil avg. from?(or in this case $10 - $11?)

That was the question you wanted answered originally. Now that I've provided that I have no interest in continuing a conversation with a non-Jets fan on a Jets fan message board about Jets players.
I guess we could set up a thread for him to discuss how great the Raiders are going to be. It could be an annual thread which would run from March when 90210 annually arrives to predict Raider regular and post season greatness through the summer and September when he revs up to full speed and then closes on October I or so when the Raiders are locked in to the division basement and 90210 makes his annual return to his hiding cave.
 

Superman55

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Jet Fanatics
Reading a lot of opinions that basically says we are okay turning good soldier Wilkerson into Revis by being dicks to him. Glad to read we have so many dicks on the board that support having their actions turn Wilkerson into Revis.

Just want to say, I disagree and just get the f'n deal done and stop being dicks.
 

mykcuz

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Jet Fanatics
After the drafted players, we have 6 mill or so to play with, also need flexibility to sign other teams tc cuts.
That gives us maybe 4mill to add to Wilkerson s deal for a total of 11 million. Also remember in nj these guys pay half of their income to taxes, in NYC it would be more like 65%. So currently mo has 3 million in spending cash, not 7.
 
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sg3

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Reading a lot of opinions that basically says we are okay turning good soldier Wilkerson into Revis by being dicks to him. Glad to read we have so many dicks on the board that support having their actions turn Wilkerson into Revis.

Just want to say, I disagree and just get the f'n deal done and stop being dicks.
We all agree 100%

Anyone who disagrees with you is obviously a dick and it is your mission to tell them so.

We get it
 

Superman55

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Jet Fanatics
Say you were making 60k a year and you know your market value is 100k, and your current contract keeps you at 60k, you'd want to be able to go to your employer and renegotiate the contract if that's the new incoming salary at your pay grade. He's been under paid by millions for him and his family for 2 years. He hasn't held out or ruffled feathers during a very shaky regime. He's taken 1 and 2 for the team and cost his family millions. He and his family should be set for this God given talent he's been blessed with. We are acting like he's asking for the stars and moon. The report is, could be right or wrong, but the report is 40 mill guaranteed. Suh gets 59, Watt gets 51, I would say it's fair talent and payment wise to pay him at that tier below. But if he is a tier below those 2, it's not by a ton. Get the deal done. He's a home grown talent. Why punish him And under pay him 2 more years? We are also up against the cap, why block up a huge cap number with a franchise tag? I think it's best for everyone to get a deal done.
 

Parcells123

5th Year Team Option
Jet Fanatics
Say you were making 60k a year and you know your market value is 100k, and your current contract keeps you at 60k, you'd want to be able to go to your employer and renegotiate the contract if that's the new incoming salary at your pay grade. He's been under paid by millions for him and his family for 2 years. He hasn't held out or ruffled feathers during a very shaky regime. He's taken 1 and 2 for the team and cost his family millions. He and his family should be set for this God given talent he's been blessed with. We are acting like he's asking for the stars and moon. The report is, could be right or wrong, but the report is 40 mill guaranteed. Suh gets 59, Watt gets 51, I would say it's fair talent and payment wise to pay him at that tier below. But if he is a tier below those 2, it's not by a ton. Get the deal done. He's a home grown talent. Why punish him And under pay him 2 more years? We are also up against the cap, why block up a huge cap number with a franchise tag? I think it's best for everyone to get a deal done.

Look, I don't think any rational Jet fan wants Mo traded. He is a very good player and from all reports a great locker room guy. He plays hurt and gives 100% all the time. I personally would want him to retire a Jet. But business is business. And you can only allot limited dollars to certain areas of the team.

My point is this: Sign Mo to a fair market deal. See how the year plays out. If there are no injuries on the DL and Williams excels as a pro, the Jets have a glut of talent at the DL position and can listen to offers if they choose. If there is a substantial offer for Mo, the Jets would be wise to consider it. If there are no offers that blow them away, keep Mo and watch the DL dominate. Either way it's good business.
 

BlindsideD'Brick

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Look, I don't think any rational Jet fan wants Mo traded. He is a very good player and from all reports a great locker room guy. He plays hurt and gives 100% all the time. I personally would want him to retire a Jet. But business is business. And you can only allot limited dollars to certain areas of the team.

My point is this: Sign Mo to a fair market deal. See how the year plays out. If there are no injuries on the DL and Williams excels as a pro, the Jets have a glut of talent at the DL position and can listen to offers if they choose. If there is a substantial offer for Mo, the Jets would be wise to consider it. If there are no offers that blow them away, keep Mo and watch the DL dominate. Either way it's good business.

:hand-clapping-smile
 

cysporsche

Pro Bowl 1st Team
Jet Fanatics
Call the Jags, after Fowler went down already, maybe they'd trade their #1 pick in next years draft for Wilkerson to help strengthen their D ? It will be a top 5 pick probably.

Go Jets...Cyborg
 

jetfandreamer

Jets Groupie
Jet Fanatics
Call the Jags, after Fowler went down already, maybe they'd trade their #1 pick in next years draft for Wilkerson to help strengthen their D ? It will be a top 5 pick probably.

Go Jets...Cyborg


FOWLER is exactly why a guy like him doesn't go to VOLUNTARY mini camp
 
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