The Colts in my opinion have won Free Agency
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Agreed. Pats and Broncos lost talent, Colts added talent. They are an early favorite to be the ones who push the Pats and Broncos for the top spot. Add that they're in a weak division, and they will likely push for the #1 spot.
I love Andre Johnson working with Moncreif. one of the reasons I loved Moncreif last year, besides he has smiliar traits to Josh Gordon, is he was going to be 20 as a rookie. 20. Andre Johnson working with a now 21 year old moncreif to refine his crazy skill sets is a no brainer. I even bet Hilton will learn some tricks from a pros pro like Andre Johnson. I love that signing for the young WRs and of course for the stud Luck. They are going to be very, very good, IMO.
The Pats of the past decade (and Packers/Broncos of late) have proven a "powerhouse offense" just isn't gonna cut it.
If their defense steps up, sure. But if we view their off-season as primarily an OFFENSIVE improvement, I highly doubt it will be enough to get them to the big game . . .
If their defense steps up, sure. But if we view their off-season as primarily an OFFENSIVE improvement, I highly doubt it will be enough to get them to the big game . . .
The pats beat the best defense in the super bowl, their defense was above average with 3 stars. Wins today come from high scoring offenses, which is why strong defenses are necessary to counter act them. The thing is building a complete defense with no holes or stars isn't easy, and isn't common.
3 stars? Well, Ninkovich, Chandler Jones, revis, browner, Hightower, Mayo, Wilfork, McCourty, and Collins (led the team in tackles and tied for the lead in INTs despite playing LB on a team with revis, browner, and McCourty) make up a formidable defensive group on par with any roster, IMO, then trading for Ayers was the cherry on top. Their personnel on D last year was as good as anyones, IMO.
J
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I don't agree. That team I saw was as soft as Charmin in the playoffs. They only lucked into draws with Cincy and Denver. Baltimore would've rocked them and physical teams that can run will continue to do so. Neutralize them with a good secondary and watch them fall apart. I think they're a vastly overrated team for January. Not impressed with a couple of slow, aging offensive stars past their prime.
Revis, wilfork, mccourty, the others are very good talents, but remember our signing a bunch of quality dbs,makes the rest of our defense better, having a great unit doesn't mean everyone in the unit is a star.
How slow are Hilton and moncreif? If defenses try to stop the speed of Moncreif and Hilton, those big slow, aging stars will be very successful...if you try to stop the precise and efficient aging stars, speed kills. I think they're more balanced than you think.
Now their run D, that's a different story. I do like the addition of Cole to their defense, but I am betting they draft a lot of defense this year.
I don't know, E, football is a young mans game and RB's have a short lifespan. The last time I saw Frank Gore he looked like a shell of his former self, and the same is true of Andre who I loved as a WR in his prime, too me he's a HOFer, but he hasn't been that guy for quite some time. Maybe they are rejuvenated by the new environment and the chance to win, thats possible, but this could backfire on Indy too.
J
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You're suggesting they have a running game to create that balance. They couldn't run on NE last year. Paint me skeptical. The trenches count in the playoffs.
gore and andre are coming in as complementary pieces, not main attractions. they are just being added to luck, hilton, montcrief, their TE duo and a team that reached the afc title game.
That old man Gore had 4.3 ypc last year and 1,100 yards...that young man Powell has 3.9 ypc for his career and couldnt hold old man Gore's jock despite being 5 years younger...and ivory was only 4.1. if we signed Gore today he'd be the best RB on our roster...if that means anything.
Andre Johnson caught 85 balls last year (in 15 games) with who throwing to him? yeah, pretty good year for a player that everyone knew was going to have the ball forced to him with the bums the Texans had at QB and he still caught 85 balls. In comparison, Larry Fitzgerald (in a similar situation) caught 63 (14 games) ...and Calvin Johnson (13 games) caught 71 playing with Stafford...
Johnson is still very good and still at a level similar to Larry Fitzgerald and Calvin Johnson...if you think they're still any good...
First of all, the Seahawks were all playing injured, and the Pats best player was Shane frickin Vereen. So I'm not chalking up that SB victory to some "vaunted offense".
And if you don't think the Pats defense was VASTLY better than the one they went to war with when guys like Moss/Gronk/Hernandez were setting offensive records, I don't know what to tell you . . .
I see the logic, hobson, and when you look at it that way this could work, but I remember back in the early days of free agency, when teams were still figuring out how best to use it, teams were spending big bucks on big name aging free agents like Ronnie Lott (us) and expecting a big return, but they quickly found out that they were paying for what that player used to be, not what he was. Eventually teams figured out that ideally you can sign free agents who are closer to their prime than the end. but it took a little while before the league figured that out. That said, I agree that it has a better chance to work for Indy as supporting actors and not expecting them to be leading men.
Supe, saying someone is better than Powell is like saying I'm better looking than Seth Rogan. lol
And really, Ivory is pretty good, but IMO Jet fans overrate him too.
But your point is well taken and maybe they have more left in the tank than I suggested.
And really, Ivory is pretty good, but IMO Jet fans overrate him too.
But your point is well taken and maybe they have more left in the tank than I suggested.
hahahahaha, who was in the secondary with Moss, Gronk, hernandez, and Welker? Do you want me to tell you (I can)? here you go: (2007 was the undefeated year before 2008 the Matt Cassell year)
Harrison (54 tackles, 2 sacks, and 1 INT) - old and on his last leg
Asante Samuel 6 INTs, the all or nothing player we remember
#2 CB - Ellis Hobbs
FS Eugene Wilson
You're going to tell me McCourty, Revis, and Browner are not infinitely better than that group...infinitely?
LBs, get this, Vrabel (32 at the time), Seau (38 at the time), Adalius Thomas (30), and Bruschi (led the team in tackles with 92 and was 34 at the time)
vs Ninkovich (31), Chandeler Jones (25), Collins (25), Hightower (24), Mayo (29), and Ayers (25)...
I think I know which defense was faster and making plays all over the field...yes, Collins is better than Bruschi was at 34...who was the best player on that D...and Collins wasnt even the best player on last year's pats D.
Yes, im leaving wilfork off both lists on purpose, the younger wilfork was better, no argument.
the pats defense was way, I mean way, way, way better last year than the Randy Moss, Wes Welker, Tom Brady record breaking year(s)...
No disrespect my friend but most "winners" in free agenct...don't win plus the guys they signed are always banged up..and are on down side..their defensive acquisitions are Cole and Langford...I think the COlts need to REALLY upgrade defense...
Hmm, Patriots and broncos won free agency last year, how'd they do this season?