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ucrenegade
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We all know that the biggest thing we need is a QB but discuss any player here.
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Connor Cook in a blow out win against Penn state looked Meh
Cody Kessler is a QB that has really caught my eye recently. He has great touch and accuracy while playing in Sarkisian's pro-style offense and seems to have pretty good poise in the pocket too. I haven't heard anyone mention him and was just wondering what you guys thought. He's only a JR so obviously there's a chance he won't even declare.
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I understand QB is a major need, however their are a few players to keep an eye. For example, Amari Cooper from Alabama is a dynamic game changer at wide receiver the Jets could use to help improve their offense. Jets don't have their #1 wide receiver and depending what they do with Percy Harvin I feel Cooper would be a great option for the Jets. A very versatile player that can line up inside and outside the slot who can be a deadly weapon for the Jets for years to come. Another player I like Randy Gregory from Nebraska who is talented, has great speed, and can get to the quarterback Jets could use a great pass rusher and Gregory would be a great option for the Jets defense. Finally, route I can see the Jets going is drafting an offensive lineman. I like La'el Collins from LSU, a very good blocker and powerful block who can help the Jets aging offensive line.
Not really sure how much I like a USC qb...I love Sanchez but he didn't pan out, leinart, booty, cassell, barkley....they haven't been good since Palmer
Those guys you mentioned are the very reason why you shouldn't rule out a USC QB. How many other schools have produced 6 NFL QB's since 2002. Obviously some on that list are better than others but the fact is USC runs a pro-style offense and 4 of those 6 guys were starting NFL QB's at some point in their career.
The knock I've heard on him is that he lacks elite physical traits. Tom Brady & Joe Montana anyone? How did those elite physical traits help out Jamarcus Russell & Vince Young?
The bottom line is that none of us have any idea which QB will succeed in the NFL. There are so many factors that make a QB successful that we as fans will never be able to truly evaluate. Study habits, smarts, "intangibles", how that QB handles the pressure, or losing, or the negativity from fans and media, etc.
At this point all we can hope for is that the Jets create the best possible environment (system, coaching, supporting cast) for a QB to succeed here.
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I really think the raiders want cooper. They have visions of a carr/cooper combo like ryan/jones or stafford/johnson dalton/green
I agree with you. Any player can come from anywhere and be the guy. I was basing it off of preparation and lately they haven't bee ready for the nfl
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Cooper is an excellent player. If the Jets had anything that even faintly resembled an NFL QB I would be thrilled with him.
As it is right now, if either Mariota, or Winston is on the board, they have to take him.
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switch cooper and olineman and i agree
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Christa
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Their no sure thing in the draft. Their talent everywhere, it's a matter of finding it. Just because you have a high draft pick does not mean that the player will be great. I understand QB is a need, and without a doubt the Jets will draft one high. For example, look at Houston this year, they drafted Clowney with their first pick in the draft and he's not even currently playing. Busts are everywhere and that does not exclude a top 5 pick. What the Jets can do since the Jets have a lot of holes and this is by far not a popular decision by most fans, but if their is nobody available worth drafting the Jets could potentially trade down and get more draft picks to full more holes on their roster.
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Agreed that and what kind of system they decide to run.
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I personally am not a fan of the west coast offense unless you have a smart pure pocket passer like a montana type.
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Hopefully our new HC sends Mahty and his WCO packing to somewhere on.the west coast of Madagasgar
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NFL Draft mailbag: Jets and Bills options, Browns biggest needs and more
By Dan Kadar @MockingTheDraft on Dec 12 2014, 12:00p 1
Bob Donnan-USA TODAY Sports
What does a team needing a quarterback do if Marcus Mariota and Jameis Winston are gone?
In this week's #DraftBag , you have NFL Draft questions about what the New York Jets and Buffalo Bills could do in April, needs for the Cleveland Browns and more. I try to have answers.
Basically this question is what happens if the Buccaneers, Titans, Raiders or Jets win another game or two this season and miss out on Marcus Mariota of Oregon and Jameis Winston of Florida State. The Jets part will get answered later.
It's been pretty well established that this year's class of quarterbacks isn't as good as it was last year. It's also been established that while picking a quarterback in the first round typically leads to more success than waiting until later in the draft, it's not a necessity. The short answer is if you pick a quarterback after the first round, pick one as soon as the guy you like is available. The Bengals in 2011, for instance, waited until the second round to pick Andy Dalton. Argue his qualities all you want, but they've been much better than worse with him. When next year's draft takes place and someone like Brett Hundley of UCLA slips to the second round and a team likes him, make the pick. From a tools standpoint, a middle round pick on Dak Prescott of Mississippi State makes sense. Most of the other quarterbacks in this year's draft look mostly like backup types who could spot start in a pinch. A lot of Drew Stantons and Ryan Fitzpatricks, basically.
Ultimately, where a non-first round quarterback is picked can be irrelevant once mini camps begin. Then it becomes about what system he's in and if the team needs to bring him along at a slower pace.
Landon Collins and safety immediately come to mind. Collins could go in the first round and we may not see another safety picked until after the second round. The need for coverage safeties in the NFL is apparent. The availability of them in next year's draft is minimal. We'll see how that position develops throughout the offseason process, but right now it looks like NFL free agents at safety will be able to cash in. Expect Devin McCourty of New England to get paid.
Wide receiver is a strange position for the Browns. Their need there is dependent on if Josh Gordon can stay out of trouble. If he does, it's hard to see that as a first round need. Miles Austin said this week he would like to be back next season, the team just signed Andrew Hawkins before this season and undrafted free agent Taylor Gabriel has looked good at times. Add in the Browns taking an interest in CFL star Duron Carter, and that position may get put on the backburner.
On the offensive line, the Browns will have to make a tough decision about right tackle Mitchell Schwartz after this season. He's been inconsistent all season and prone to giving up sacks. Cedric Ogbuehi of Texas A&M could be an attractive option in the first round. It helps he has a familiarity blocking for Johnny Manziel, too.
After those two positions, the Browns could have a need at pass rusher if they let impending free agent Jabaal Sheard leave. In a draft stocked at pass rushers, that could be a good cost saving effort. Rounding out the other needs for Cleveland are defensive line depth, a kicker, punt returner and, maybe oddly, a quarterback.
Firstly, it's sort of hilarious that the Jets would be better off with Mark Sanchez this season than any quarterback currently on their roster. (Yes, having Chip Kelly helps) Oh, Jets.
Anyway, probably pass rushing outside linebacker. Calvin Pace may have another year left on his contract, but it's time to move on from him. Cornerback is a big need for the Jets, but there isn't one worth a top five pick. Names to keep in mind are Randy Gregory of Nebraska and Vic Beasley of Clemson. A Jets scout was at the Nebraska game against Miami on Sept. 20 and had to be impressed by Gregory, who had two sacks and a forced fumble in a game that really legitimized his draft status.
Of course this is the Jets and much tumult is expected in the offseason. Any position other than defensive line is open for debate with New York.
The second round is where the Bills could start looking for their quarterback. There's no chance Mariota will be available and WInston will likely be gone as well. The only thing that could change that is if Connor Cook of Michigan State unexpectedly enters the draft. He would be a first-round target for Buffalo. The second round is where Buffalo would think about someone like Hundley. While erratic, his tools are good. After that it's hard to see a quarterback who can be a good starting-level player in the NFL.
There should be some good offensive linemen in the second round. Someone like Spencer Drango from Baylor may be an option. He's like this year's version of Zack Martin, a good college tackle who could be a great NFL guard. Of course the Bills could just sit back and hope rookies Seantrel Henderson and Cyril Richardson develop. Tight end is an even worse position this draft than quarterback.
The Bills are obviously getting close to being a team that contends for the playoffs. The strengths of the 2015 NFL Draft, however, don't cater to their needs.
By Dan Kadar @MockingTheDraft on Dec 12 2014, 12:00p 1
Bob Donnan-USA TODAY Sports
What does a team needing a quarterback do if Marcus Mariota and Jameis Winston are gone?
In this week's #DraftBag , you have NFL Draft questions about what the New York Jets and Buffalo Bills could do in April, needs for the Cleveland Browns and more. I try to have answers.
Basically this question is what happens if the Buccaneers, Titans, Raiders or Jets win another game or two this season and miss out on Marcus Mariota of Oregon and Jameis Winston of Florida State. The Jets part will get answered later.
It's been pretty well established that this year's class of quarterbacks isn't as good as it was last year. It's also been established that while picking a quarterback in the first round typically leads to more success than waiting until later in the draft, it's not a necessity. The short answer is if you pick a quarterback after the first round, pick one as soon as the guy you like is available. The Bengals in 2011, for instance, waited until the second round to pick Andy Dalton. Argue his qualities all you want, but they've been much better than worse with him. When next year's draft takes place and someone like Brett Hundley of UCLA slips to the second round and a team likes him, make the pick. From a tools standpoint, a middle round pick on Dak Prescott of Mississippi State makes sense. Most of the other quarterbacks in this year's draft look mostly like backup types who could spot start in a pinch. A lot of Drew Stantons and Ryan Fitzpatricks, basically.
Ultimately, where a non-first round quarterback is picked can be irrelevant once mini camps begin. Then it becomes about what system he's in and if the team needs to bring him along at a slower pace.
Landon Collins and safety immediately come to mind. Collins could go in the first round and we may not see another safety picked until after the second round. The need for coverage safeties in the NFL is apparent. The availability of them in next year's draft is minimal. We'll see how that position develops throughout the offseason process, but right now it looks like NFL free agents at safety will be able to cash in. Expect Devin McCourty of New England to get paid.
Wide receiver is a strange position for the Browns. Their need there is dependent on if Josh Gordon can stay out of trouble. If he does, it's hard to see that as a first round need. Miles Austin said this week he would like to be back next season, the team just signed Andrew Hawkins before this season and undrafted free agent Taylor Gabriel has looked good at times. Add in the Browns taking an interest in CFL star Duron Carter, and that position may get put on the backburner.
On the offensive line, the Browns will have to make a tough decision about right tackle Mitchell Schwartz after this season. He's been inconsistent all season and prone to giving up sacks. Cedric Ogbuehi of Texas A&M could be an attractive option in the first round. It helps he has a familiarity blocking for Johnny Manziel, too.
After those two positions, the Browns could have a need at pass rusher if they let impending free agent Jabaal Sheard leave. In a draft stocked at pass rushers, that could be a good cost saving effort. Rounding out the other needs for Cleveland are defensive line depth, a kicker, punt returner and, maybe oddly, a quarterback.
Firstly, it's sort of hilarious that the Jets would be better off with Mark Sanchez this season than any quarterback currently on their roster. (Yes, having Chip Kelly helps) Oh, Jets.
Anyway, probably pass rushing outside linebacker. Calvin Pace may have another year left on his contract, but it's time to move on from him. Cornerback is a big need for the Jets, but there isn't one worth a top five pick. Names to keep in mind are Randy Gregory of Nebraska and Vic Beasley of Clemson. A Jets scout was at the Nebraska game against Miami on Sept. 20 and had to be impressed by Gregory, who had two sacks and a forced fumble in a game that really legitimized his draft status.
Of course this is the Jets and much tumult is expected in the offseason. Any position other than defensive line is open for debate with New York.
The second round is where the Bills could start looking for their quarterback. There's no chance Mariota will be available and WInston will likely be gone as well. The only thing that could change that is if Connor Cook of Michigan State unexpectedly enters the draft. He would be a first-round target for Buffalo. The second round is where Buffalo would think about someone like Hundley. While erratic, his tools are good. After that it's hard to see a quarterback who can be a good starting-level player in the NFL.
There should be some good offensive linemen in the second round. Someone like Spencer Drango from Baylor may be an option. He's like this year's version of Zack Martin, a good college tackle who could be a great NFL guard. Of course the Bills could just sit back and hope rookies Seantrel Henderson and Cyril Richardson develop. Tight end is an even worse position this draft than quarterback.
The Bills are obviously getting close to being a team that contends for the playoffs. The strengths of the 2015 NFL Draft, however, don't cater to their needs.
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ucrenegade
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Is hundley worth taking a flier on in the 2nd for the jets?
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ucrenegade
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yeah the only one i would keep is ron graves.