The Jets select Christian Hackenberg with the 51st pick

[NewMFS62]

I've seen a few videos in the past days that encourage me. Two things stand out:
1) He took snaps from under center. But most importantly
2) He was looking off his primary receiver if the player was covered.
That was something neither Geno nor Petty had to do in their college systems. And that gives Hack a huge leg up in his development.

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[Oraelo]

I don't think that's delirious at all. Genise, petty and Hack into TC. Best man starts.

 

[usapaw]

Good video.Just shows they did their homework.

 

[NYSPORTS98]

Where have you people been? This is where you guys hide? Don't blame you, the Scout network is awful.

Anyway, just hunted you guys down to express how jealous I am that Hackenberg is a Jet. Love the kid. Has all the tools in the world yet was coached terribly at Penn State. At quick glance he reminds me of Peyton (physically, the look, etc). Born to be a QB. Was never a fan of when he decides to run rather than sit in the pocket yet, to me, he just looks like a QB. Everything about him say QB.

Congrats - it might take a little while but if he's coached well I can't see his head not connecting the dots. I think he can be great.

 

[Old#15]

interesting positive article:
http://www.pennlive.com/pennstatefootball/index.ssf/2016/04/nfl_draft_2016_jets_did_homewo.html

 

[mykcuz]

To have as many holes as we do and pick another qb at 2nd round, you have to really believe in him. If mac is wrong, we have 2 projects on the bench and missed the opportunity to fill a need worth a2nd rounder. The issue here is getting the young guys enough playing time, and they are splitting 3rd string reps.


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[Elias]

Here's a great article on CH.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2632381-christian-hackenberg-the-mystery-man-of-the-nfl-draft

And here's the video from his pro day. He can make all the throws, live arm. Liking this pick more and more.

 

[SackExchange]

Where have you people been? This is where you guys hide? Don't blame you, the Scout network is awful.

Anyway, just hunted you guys down to express how jealous I am that Hackenberg is a Jet. Love the kid. Has all the tools in the world yet was coached terribly at Penn State. At quick glance he reminds me of Peyton (physically, the look, etc). Born to be a QB. Was never a fan of when he decides to run rather than sit in the pocket yet, to me, he just looks like a QB. Everything about him say QB.

Congrats - it might take a little while but if he's coached well I can't see his head not connecting the dots. I think he can be great.

Welcome! You found us here. Yes, most of the Jets scout folk ended up here.

 

[flgreen]

Got to say I wasn't very thrilled the Jets took Hackenberg. I've seen this kid miss wide open receivers 8 yards up field by 10 yards. Throw balls into the dirt, throw balls into the seats, and make mind numbing mental errors.

That's what happens when you are sacked 103 times.

Ham's right if this kid came out after his freshman year, he might have been the first pick in the draft.

Right now the Jets have 2 young QB's on the roster who have ALL the physical skills, are very bright kids, good attitudes, and both have legitimate reasons why they fell in the draft.

They are in good hands with our QB guru.

 

[Metjetgal]

Don't love the pick but I'm no qb guru.

 

[lounap23]

Could you expound on your 2-3 year prediction?

Will it take that long for him to get up to NFL speed? Or to get "fixed" after the past two years?

He supposedly did well in a pro-style offense as a freshman, so I don't see why he'd need multiple years to grow into the role. And to be honest, if he needs multiple years to shake off the stink, he's probably a lost cause anyway.

Having said that, I have NO clue what I'm talking about, so any insight would be greatly appreciated:global (45):

I say 2-3 years for a few reasons.

1. He is 21 there is no need to rush him (other than us fans want to win now)
2. I think it will take 1-2 years to shake the stank off of the horrible Penn St system he played in under James Franklin.. Not to mention the OL was awful around him.. Seriously the guy was sacked over 100 times in 38 games, Plenty of games I watched and most of the sacks the kid didn't have a prayer... So a better OL, better system under gailey you will see a different player.
3. We have Petty who I think the Jets like and feel confident in. They will not rush Hackenberg because his upside is Andrew Luck/Tom Brady Like because they believe in Petty.
4. I stated in other threads they will want competition between young QBs. The cream will rise the team, the organization and us fans will be happy with whom ever that is

 

[flgreen]

BCHRISTIAN HACKENBERGPENN ST. BIG TEN

Photo of Christian Hackenberg

DRAFTED BY: JETS ROUND2 PICK20 OVERALL51 COMBINE RESULTS
GRADE
5.59
?
4.78 SEC
Top Performer
31.0 INCH
114.0 INCH
7.04 SEC

Top PerformerBLUE STAR = COMBINE TOP PERFORMER

MORE DRAFT
VIDEO

DRAFT ANALYSIS:
"He has prototypical size and arm talent. However, the tape is wildly inconsistent and he's a wild card. I hope the Jets give him time to develop." -- Mike Mayock
6'4"
HEIGHT
32"
ARM LENGTH
223LBS.
WEIGHT
9"
HANDS

OVERVIEW

Hackenberg's junior year did not go quite as expected, but he still wound up as the school's all-time leader in passing yards (8,457) and touchdowns (48). The son of a former University of Virginia football player was a three-year starter, answering the bell for all 38 games in his career. Hackenberg lived up to his recruiting hype by being named the Big Ten Freshman of the Year in 2013, as well as a Freshman All-American (2,955 passing yards, 20 touchdowns, and 10 interceptions). His play was not as efficient in his sophomore year (2,977 yards, 12 TD, 15 INT), but his MVP performance in the Nittany Lions' double overtime Pinstripe Bowl win over Boston College led many to think he was on his way to stardom. Unfortunately, Hackenberg's play in 2015 was uneven, at best, as he completed just 53.5 percent of his passes for 2,525 yards, 16 touchdowns and six interceptions. He finished the season leaving the team's TaxSlayer Bowl loss to Georgia due to a right shoulder sprain, and then announcing his intention to declare for the 2016 NFL Draft.

ANALYSIS

STRENGTHS

Prototypical size for pocket quarterback. Durable and tough. Willing to hang in and take the hit if he thinks a completion is pending. Took a pounding and never missed a start. Experienced in pro-style attack and played well in Bill O'Brien's scheme as a freshman. Able and willing to work through progressions when protected. Balls comes out of his hand with pro velocity. Can drive hips through his release for extra mustard. Can make all the throws, and has the arm talent to take shots to areas of the field that most quarterbacks can't. Underrated in touch throw department. Can float the ball over top of defenders and deliver it on a pillow. Decent athlete able to climb pocket while keeping his eyes downfield. Recognizes and points out late blitz movement pre-snap. Recognizes danger and able to avoid most baiting attempts. Dropped interception total from 15 in 2014 to just six in 2015. Twice voted team captain and has displayed leadership qualities from time he stepped on campus.

WEAKNESSES Debilitating accuracy issues with atrocious 51.5 percent adjusted completion total (throws beyond line of scrimmage). Turns receivers into goalies. Even simple throws can be coin-flippers in accuracy department. Release point can vary greatly and he is still looking for repeatable footwork, mechanics and release. Will throw a spiral followed by wobbler. Ball patting and wind-up slows release and can obstruct timing. Extra air under deep balls combined with marginal timing allows safeties time to race into the play. Busted internal clock. Allows pressure to overtake him rather than getting catchable throw out a shade early. Sacked 82 times over last two years. Iffy accuracy and ball placement falls off map when defenses send pressure. Completed just 44.2 percent against five rushers and 41.9 percent against six. Pocket feel a work in progress. Will climb pocket into trouble unnecessarily.

DRAFT PROJECTION Rounds 2 or 3

SOURCES TELL US "The tape is just terrible over the last two years, but he has traits and leadership. His freshman tape is good, but how do you discount everything you've seen for two years? That freshman tape is going to lead a team to overdraft him." -- NFC executive

NFL COMPARISON Ryan Mallett

BOTTOM LINE Hackenberg has the size, athleticism and arm talent of a long-time NFL starter, but his accuracy issues go well beyond just "ball placement" problems. Teams must determine if his inaccuracy is innate or a product of the beatings he's taken, and then determine if he's shell-shocked or able to round back into form. Hackenberg's tools, intelligence and experience under center should make him an eventual starter, but his boom-or-bust potential will either get a coach an extension or fired.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/christian-hackenberg?id=2555416

 

[flgreen]

If your thinking this kid is going to come in and light things up, and win the starting job................Very unlikely

With a year or two under Gailey, he has all the natural talent in the world, he could develop into a good player. Right now he has to learn how to hit his receives when open. 53% in college is awful.

Even in his good Freshman year, he didn't have 60% completions. In college QB's throw 67% regularly

 

[lounap23]

I disagree about Hackenberg's readiness compared to Petty's. A huge part of whether a guy is prepared to step in or not at QB is system, and Hackenberg had the experience of playing in O'Brien's pro-style offense, whereas Petty played in a prototype college system at Baylor. To me, Hackenberg is far more ready now than Petty was at this time last year. There is no way there's a 1-2 year gap between them.

I see your point but Hackenberg has some mechanics to be polished off/ Hacknberg has some serious confidence issues to be rebuilt. And lastly Gailey's offense is suited for Petty over Hackenberg. Now Hackenberg is smart, like Petty, he will pick it up and Gailey will tailor it for him but Petty has a year head start and I have said before Petty is valued a lot higher than people think.

I love this pick because I feel we have 2 future 10 year + starters on the roster.... Now let the competition begin and let one or both rise to the challenge....I prefer Petty but the scouting Reports on Hackenberg from the combine, his pro-day, his private workouts to his day with Gruden for ESPN have gotten better and better.....

But the biggest thing all scouts are in agreement with are this

1. Prototypical Size for an NFL QB
2. Athletic for his size
3. Big Arm
4. Smart

Hmmmm sounds like almost the same exact reports on Petty coming out with Hackenberg having a slightly stronger arm..

I can't hate this pick..... I love Petty I think Petty will be great and I can't hate this pick.. Why?

Cause I love taking a shot at a QB every year that you think can be the Franchise guy..... Until you have that guys on the field showing he is the franchise guy , keep drafting one..

Draft another on next year... The best will rise. Gotta keep swinging to hit the HR on a QB...

 

[lounap23]

If your thinking this kid is going to come in and light things up, and win the starting job................Very unlikely

With a year or two under Gailey, he has all the natural talent in the world, he could develop into a good player. Right now he has to learn how to hit his receives when open. 53% in college is awful.

Even in his good Freshman year, he didn't have 60% completions. In college QB's throw 67% regularly

I agree with you but lets remember Geno was completing 70% of his passes in college and Russel Wilson was below 60% his first 3 years of college and his senior year he was much better. Scouts ripped him and said his accuracy was bad because of his size and he wouldn't make it in the NFL.

 

[NYJETSDAN16]

I disagree about Hackenberg's readiness compared to Petty's. A huge part of whether a guy is prepared to step in or not at QB is system, and Hackenberg had the experience of playing in O'Brien's pro-style offense, whereas Petty played in a prototype college system at Baylor. To me, Hackenberg is far more ready now than Petty was at this time last year. There is no way there's a 1-2 year gap between them.

Well said.

I feel Petty at this point knows that very well. He knows he has to work that much harder to become the Jets starter.
I absolutley love the pick. I feel both of these young gins will push each other to great lengths.

 

[NYJETSDAN16]

Keep in mind, Hackenbergs play went down primarily because they couldnt protect him at all. The kid was taking a beating @ PSU and still never got injured. The kid is also mentally tough considering all that mess that went over there his freshman year.

The protection is one thing mac spoke about last night. To know what he has, you have to keep him upright.

I like where our QB position is headed. BRAVO MAC!!

 

[Elias]

One thing for sure with this young group of QBs, our preseason will be fun to watch.

 

[jets82]

Worth the watch:

Love the video and thanks for posting it. Gotta say two of the biggest things I worried about with Hack, this video has lightened my worries in at least one area but I'm still concerned about the other. The video shows he is a very smart kid who learns fast, pure pocket passer, strong minded an a fighter and can possibly be the next Tom Brady. Especially the way he learned from Obrien which we all knew he was going to bring that NE style offense and moto there. With that said, this wasn't my worry but what is:

1. The way he took a beating his last two years, I worried would that stick to him and make him gun shy in the pocket? Seeing ghost in and out the pocket and afraid to take hits and sacks? He was getting crushed for two straight years by college players. Imagine if he starts to take a few real hard hits and sacks by NFL players who are the best in the world? The video shows me he is a tough-tough kid with a no quit attitude. He is going to do what he is told (right or wrong) and just deal with the consequences. You can tell he knew it was wrong to change his footing and deliver of his throw but he did it because his second HC told him to and it set him back a bit. He didn't want to throw his HC under the bus but the way he answered the question, said it all. He didn't want to throw Obrien under the bus either but the way he answered that question, said a lot without actually saying anything IMO. That video shows me he a tough and very smart kid, leader and team player and I like that lot. So the video did ease my worries on this thought.

2. This here is what still worries me that the video doesn't clear up. His hand size at 9" and I wonder will that be a problem in Metlife. Not to mention the road games they will have to play in the AFC North (for example) because we seem to play that conference every year. Keep in mind, he's not playing in Florida or Cali where the weather is nice pretty much all year. So that means 8 games he has to play at home in weather conditions that may be rainy, cold to freezing, windy, snowy and/or foggy and what's so bad this kind of weather can happen in ALL 8 games. Now I know you say well he played at Penn State and they pretty much deal with the same weather. Which brings me to my question, was his accuracy so bad because of all the hits and sacks he was taking alone? Or was it a combination of his hands size and the hits and sacks? Or was it just the hand size and dealing with the weather conditions there? Of course I don't know the answer and that's why I'm asking?

Overall he seems like intelligent kid that learns fast, loves football, born to be a franchise QB, a natural born leader, strong minded fighter and a winner and a teammate thats got your back no matter what. If this is the case then how could we have gone wrong here. I'm rooting for the kid and hope he proves me wrong because when it all boils down to it, he may be playing a lot sooner then we all think. Fitz isn't seeming to give in and neither are the Jets and BRAVO on their part for that. If the Jets don't resign Fitz, then were stuck with Hack, Petty and Geno. No one wants to see Geno on the field, I'm guessing Petty just doesn't seem to be ready and that's why they drafted Hack and Hack probably needs at least 8 games to a full year to get his mechanics right again and rebuild his confidence (if that needs to be rebuild at all).

 

[jets82]

If it isnt hijacking the thread, can we handicap the QB race

Hackenberg - big edge is freshman year - as a true freshman - one year of pro style experience with an NFL coach - demonstrated that he possessed physical and mental tools.. Big downside is failure as SO and JR

Petty - good physical tools - no pro style experience except a year in camp with the Jets

Geno - good physical tools - but has failed in actual NFL experience

Its a horserace - who's in the lead on the day they all show up for OTAs? who starts the season as the QB? who ends the season as the QB?

IF Fitz signs, who is gone by the end of camp?

All good signs to me. Lets all just hope he puts it all together on the field.