the last time jets were any good

[Mainejet]

Giving it a bit more thought, perhaps what happened is that Tomlin watched the regular season game tape and made adjustments, a la what Rex did to Belichick after the Pats blew out the Jets.

Well, if it was, it was only in the 1st half. They never scored a single point in the 2nd half. All in all, I think there were two reasons why we lost. I think the slow start was hard, but certainly not something that team was unable to overcome.

1) A 17 play drive in the 2nd half that ended with zero points. Wayne Hunter sucked on 4th down.

2) The Jets D could not keep Ben in the pocket. There simply wasn't enough pass rush in those days and they sometimes had problems setting the edge.

 

[SackExchange]

Look, defending Toilet when you had no earthly LEGITIMATE reason, especially by trying to make the case that Rex was worse, is the definition twisting the facts.

So you like Rex and hate the guy who replaced him, for a variety of reasons, no doubt.

I liked Rex but saw him as a flawed HC, and I like Bowles but I think the jury is still out.

Somehow, that gets twisted into me hating Rex and being a Bowles apologist? I'm pretty sure the bias is yours, not mine.

 

[Fudbutter]

Good teams win divisions and play home playoff games ... consistantly

 

[SackExchange]

You have NEVER indicated anything of the sort. And you and I have debated this topic many times. Any time I have made the point that Rex is a much better HC than Toilet (which he is), you have shown open disdain for him? Constantly, defending Toilet when the fact is Toilet will more than likely go down as a miniscule better HC than Rich Kotite. That is an accurate assessment of the fan base.

So what is it, Sack? Do you just like to argue for the sake of arguing, or are you just lying now to support your narrative?

Neither. You just were at JI when I was at scout, and the scout folks will attest that I always thought Rex was a good guy, albeit a bloviator, and that I thought he was a good DC with a short shelf life as HC because of his lack of accountability.

NONE of that is a lie. Just because of your Rexlove and your hatred of Bowles doesn't mean that anyone who doesn't see things your way must hate Rex and love Bowles.

 

[SackExchange]

i'm pretty much in lockstep with this post..

seems pretty obvious to me as well, bowles should be judged on player development.. whether or not his team plays with a sense of urgency.. playing disciplined football would be a huge upgrade for bowles because he's been horrible at instilling that his team..

the he only thing i would add is the "inmates simply cannot run the asylum" anymore.. that alone would be a fireable offense in my book..

I am perhaps most disappointed in Bowles regarding discipline, on and off the field. I thought it would be a change from the lack of accountability and discipline under Rex. I really thought the mental mistakes would go down, as would the antics. Mo and Richardson and Geno's jaw and Breno's penalty-a-game all disproved that.

 

[jetgreen13]

I am perhaps most disappointed in Bowles regarding discipline, on and off the field. I thought it would be a change from the lack of accountability and discipline under Rex. I really thought the mental mistakes would go down, as would the antics. Mo and Richardson and Geno's jaw and Breno's penalty-a-game all disproved that.

bowles is not a good head coach.. i can't point to one thing i'm encouraged about that might change my mind.. literally.....

even if one day he will be, i have no reason to believe it's magically going to happen for him/us next season.. why would it?? just because??

it's why i hoped he had gotten canned after last season.. i absolutely can't see bowles getting extended, '17 will be his last season here.. it's what made rebuilding almost the entire coaching staff such an act of futility..

the cherry on top of this sundae was bowles having the balls to keep rogers as his DC.. LOLz "bowles" & "having the balls" in the same sentence?? go figure..

 

[SackExchange]

bowles is not a good head coach.. i can't point to one thing i'm encouraged about that might change my mind.. literally.....

even if one day he will be, i have no reason to believe it's magically going to happen for him/us next season.. why would it?? just because??

it's why i hoped he had gotten canned after last season.. i absolutely can't see bowles getting extended, '17 will be his last season here.. it's what made rebuilding almost the entire coaching staff such an act of futility..

the cherry on top of this sundae was bowles having the balls to keep rogers as his DC.. LOLz "bowles" & "having the balls" in the same sentence?? go figure..

The last three Jets HC hires were the hot coordinators hitting the market - Mangini, Rex, Bowles. It seems obvious none of them panned out. But where do the Jets turn?

Do we keep a revolving door at HC, hoping miraculously that some coaching savior will take the job despite the chronic instability? It happened once, with Parcells. I can't see it happening again.

 

[Elias]

The last three Jets HC hires were the hot coordinators hitting the market - Mangini, Rex, Bowles. It seems obvious none of them panned out. But where do the Jets turn?

Do we keep a revolving door at HC, hoping miraculously that some coaching savior will take the job despite the chronic instability? It happened once, with Parcells. I can't see it happening again.

thing is that I don't see anyone that's out there as good as Parcells was. Parcells had a track record of making teams good wherever he went. Who has that kind of reputation now?

The big name out there is Cowher but people forget he was in Pitt for two decades and had time to build a program. Does our fan base have the patience?

 

[jetgreen13]

thing is that I don't see anyone that's out there as good as Parcells was. Parcells had a track record of making teams good wherever he went. Who has that kind of reputation now?

The big name out there is Cowher but people forget he was in Pitt for two decades and had time to build a program. Does our fan base have the patience?

i feel very safe in saying in this day & age, no north american sports franchise is waiting that long to build a program anymore..

 

[Jet Fan RI]

The last three Jets HC hires were the hot coordinators hitting the market - Mangini, Rex, Bowles. It seems obvious none of them panned out. But where do the Jets turn?

Do we keep a revolving door at HC, hoping miraculously that some coaching savior will take the job despite the chronic instability? It happened once, with Parcells. I can't see it happening again.

You really think the Jets are doomed to failure for eternity?

 

[SackExchange]

You really think the Jets are doomed to failure for eternity?

No. I think the team needs to establish some stability. Don't be the revolving door.

 

[jetgreen13]

No. I think the team needs to establish some stability. Don't be the revolving door.

since 1990:

bruce coslet 1990-1993 bad head coach, fired..

pete carroll 1994 fired an eventual SB winner..

rich kotite 1995-1996 speaks for itself..

bill parcells 1997-1999 resigned..

bill belichick* 1999 speaks for itself..

al groh 2000 quit..

herm edwards 2001-2005 JAG, essentially traded to KC for a 4th rounder..

eric mangini 2006-2008 JAG, fired..

rex ryan 2009-20014 amazing start, horrible end.. fired..

todd bowles 2015- awful head coach..

never understood why the perception is the jets are constantly firing head coaches..

 

[SackExchange]

That's pretty unstable, particularly compared to the good franchises. And even if the Jets hired a coordinator who could become a good head coach, the fans would never have the patience to allow him to get there before saying he sucks and needs to be fired.

 

[jetgreen13]

That's pretty unstable, particularly compared to the good franchises. And even if the Jets hired a coordinator who could become a good head coach, the fans would never have the patience to allow him to get there before saying he sucks and needs to be fired.

aside from giving carroll some time to develop, who did we end up missing on??

coslet?? edwards?? hell, in all likelihood, we wouldn't even be having this conversation if belichick didn't royally/historically screw us over..

stability is great but holding on to lousy head coaches certainly isn't the answer either..

 

[Jet Fan RI]

No. I think the team needs to establish some stability. Don't be the revolving door.

Well then, since it happened with Parcells, why can't it happen again? Perhaps post-Woody?