The Parcells Interview (audio)

[Green Jets & Ham]

I notice a few people asked about hearing the Parcells interview that was mentioned on twitter today, where he shares his thoughts on Geno Smith, so here it is:

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/newyork/play?id=12462322

 

[Jet Fan RI]

Thanks!

 

[lounap23]

Sounded to me like Parcells feels Geno wasn't coached well, wasn't put in a system for him to be successful and wasn't given the right weapons..... Let's For those that said Parcells would have tossed Geno out of he was the coach and as a commentator he is being nice. Nobody turned the ball over more than Vinny Testaverde back in the day and look what he did under Parcells. And let's not forget what Parcells did with Ray Lucas...and remember he signed and developed Tony Romo and undrafted Free agent!! If you guys don't think Geno was A) thrown in to so (Thanks Idzik) and B) developed poorly, just like Sanchez ( Thanks Rex) and I like Rex a lot, you are kidding yourself... The Kid has talent he has shown in the last 4 games of his 1st 2 years that he can play in this league... We need a coach that can develop a QB. Can Bowles do it... IDK but he can't be worse than Rex. I think Gailey can and if Bowles learned anything from Parcells and Arians and Reid.. he will be able to do it.

 

[Jet Fan RI]

Sounded to me like Parcells feels Geno wasn't coached well, wasn't put in a system for him to be successful and wasn't given the right weapons..... Let's For those that said Parcells would have tossed Geno out of he was the coach and as a commentator he is being nice. Nobody turned the ball over more than Vinny Testaverde back in the day and look what he did under Parcells. And let's not forget what Parcells did with Ray Lucas...and remember he signed and developed Tony Romo and undrafted Free agent!! If you guys don't think Geno was A) thrown in to so (Thanks Idzik) and B) developed poorly, just like Sanchez ( Thanks Rex) and I like Rex a lot, you are kidding yourself... The Kid has talent he has shown in the last 4 games of his 1st 2 years that he can play in this league... We need a coach that can develop a QB. Can Bowles do it... IDK but he can't be worse than Rex. I think Gailey can and if Bowles learned anything from Parcells and Arians and Reid.. he will be able to do it.

Agreed. I found what Parcells had to say about Geno to be very encouraging. And I am squarely in the "give him another chance" camp.

 

[mykcuz]

He has his rookie contact to prove himself as long add he's a good teammate, I don't see him being cut. It's one thing for Parcells to pick his own qb and be right, it's another thing to criticize genos handling from afar. How many qb's cone into the nfl without the perfect system for them, or the best weapons? Only a few teams can offer that.

 

[Jet Setter]

Sounded to me like Parcells feels Geno wasn't coached well, wasn't put in a system for him to be successful and wasn't given the right weapons..... Let's For those that said Parcells would have tossed Geno out of he was the coach and as a commentator he is being nice. Nobody turned the ball over more than Vinny Testaverde back in the day and look what he did under Parcells. And let's not forget what Parcells did with Ray Lucas...and remember he signed and developed Tony Romo and undrafted Free agent!! If you guys don't think Geno was A) thrown in to so (Thanks Idzik) and B) developed poorly, just like Sanchez ( Thanks Rex) and I like Rex a lot, you are kidding yourself... The Kid has talent he has shown in the last 4 games of his 1st 2 years that he can play in this league... We need a coach that can develop a QB. Can Bowles do it... IDK but he can't be worse than Rex. I think Gailey can and if Bowles learned anything from Parcells and Arians and Reid.. he will be able to do it.

That's a good post. And I think your assessment is accurate as I have been preaching the same things. Geno had no mentorship as Sanchez was competing and then disappeared when he got injured. He didn't help Geno at all. Then came Vick. Same thing. Selfish jerk that he is wanted no part is helping out the young QB. It shows who he is.
On top of this, you had a HC that devoted his entire focus on defense, blitzed mercilessly in practice, mentioned only the defense in every sentence and you had a GM who was too busy winning staring contests with FA's all the while not getting Geno the help he desperately needed for development that would have included a decent LG and viable weapons to throw to. Throw in there a meddling HC who was petty enough to change offensive game plans to be snarky towards ownership and management and you had a real mess for Geno's first two years.

I'm only surprised he looked as good as he did at the end of his time here against the Dolphins. He doesn't appear to have developed any shellshocked pocket habits. I think we're looking at a relatively clean prospect who has admittedly not learned too much by way of reading defenses but on the same token, not developed too many bad habits either.

This GM has already given him a better LG, #1 WR and solidified the defense which will in turn place far less pressure on the offense. And I expect to see a little more offensive talent added through this draft. Bringing a savvy backup QB who knows this system will help tremendously and I can only hope Fitz won't be so selfish as to not help the young QB as I think he should be clear this is a big reason he was brought here.

 

[jetfandreamer]

That's a good post. And I think your assessment is accurate as I have been preaching the same things. Geno had no mentorship as Sanchez was competing and then disappeared when he got injured. He didn't help Geno at all. Then came Vick. Same thing. Selfish jerk that he is wanted no part is helping out the young QB. It shows who he is.
On top of this, you had a HC that devoted his entire focus on defense, blitzed mercilessly in practice, mentioned only the defense in every sentence and you had a GM who was too busy winning staring contests with FA's all the while not getting Geno the help he desperately needed for development that would have included a decent LG and viable weapons to throw to. Throw in there a meddling HC who was petty enough to change offensive game plans to be snarky towards ownership and management and you had a real mess for Geno's first two years.

I'm only surprised he looked as good as he did at the end of his time here against the Dolphins. He doesn't appear to have developed any shellshocked pocket habits. I think we're looking at a relatively clean prospect who has admittedly not learned too much by way of reading defenses but on the same token, not developed too many bad habits either.

This GM has already given him a better LG, #1 WR and solidified the defense which will in turn place far less pressure on the offense. And I expect to see a little more offensive talent added through this draft. Bringing a savvy backup QB who knows this system will help tremendously and I can only hope Fitz won't be so selfish as to not help the young QB as I think he should be clear this is a big reason he was brought here.

I agree I think Geno has been HORRIBLY mismanaged..ie coached.....and also no weapons

 

[rxd]

The Parcells Interview (audio)

Wow, lots of revisionist history here. First off, Geno went from someone thought to be the likely first overall pick to completely out of the first round. So every team in the NFL passed on him. Even Tim "I can't throw" Tebow didn't drop like Geno. I guess everyone was wrong except our genius GM Idziot. Then it was always said that Sanchez went out of his way to help Geno and he NEVER left the team even though he was finished for the year and could have. And Vick was a bum and so was the entire coaching staff.

Look, I agree Geno should never have been thrown out there right away and it is too early to give up on him. But Geno's problem is Geno. Maybe he will get it together and be a serviceable or even good QB. But it's even more likely he just doesn't have "it" to be an NFL QB. We'll see...



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[Superman55]

Wait, wait, wait...parcells is so smart. Let me get this right, throwing a rookie QB into an offense with David Nelson, Stephen Hill, Cumberland, and jeremy kerley isn't the best situation to develop a QB in the NFL? That guy's a genius. I mean, the fact Brady and Montana couldn't make those guys even servicable NFL players means nothing, set Geno on fire for not doing what Montana and brady couldnt and cut him immediately!

I mean, Rodgers only had Driver, Jennings, and Finley to work with as a rookie, Big Ben and Burress, Holmes, and Ward. Rivers with Vincent jackson, gates, and Floyd...I could go on and on...

But Geno had Nelson, Cumberland, and Stephen Hill, what a bum for not making them look like all stars. then in his second year, he had Decker with a hamstring issue, the legeend jeff Cumberland still on the roster...david nelson still (yes, love him, but where is he now), and Kerley who had a down year...

but damn it geno, you didn't make Stephen Hill into Demarius Thomas, it's all your fault!

 

[Jet Setter]

Wait, wait, wait...parcells is so smart. Let me get this right, throwing a rookie QB into an offense with David Nelson, Stephen Hill, Cumberland, and jeremy kerley isn't the best situation to develop a QB in the NFL? That guy's a genius. I mean, the fact Brady and Montana couldn't make those guys even servicable NFL players means nothing, set Geno on fire for not doing what Montana and brady couldnt and cut him immediately!

I mean, Rodgers only had Driver, Jennings, and Finley to work with as a rookie, Big Ben and Burress, Holmes, and Ward. Rivers with Vincent jackson, gates, and Floyd...I could go on and on...

But Geno had Nelson, Cumberland, and Stephen Hill, what a bum for not making them look like all stars. then in his second year, he had Decker with a hamstring issue, the legeend jeff Cumberland still on the roster...david nelson still (yes, love him, but where is he now), and Kerley who had a down year...

but damn it geno, you didn't make Stephen Hill into Demarius Thomas, it's all your fault!

I don't find your comparisons or sarcasm unfair. It's on the mark. Posters tend to forget how abysmal the talent level has been. It's why some of us are jumping for joy over the Marshall pickup. And Amaro will be far better prepared for his 2nd season. He took a long time to get with it.

 

[Superman55]

I don't find your comparisons or sarcasm unfair. It's on the mark. Posters tend to forget how abysmal the talent level has been. It's why some of us are jumping for joy over the Marshall pickup. And Amaro will be far better prepared for his 2nd season. He took a long time to get with it.

For all the hard time I give idzik apologists, Im the Geno apologist. Before panties get in a bunch, which so frequently happens for a few posters, Im not saying im the only one who thinks geno can still be something (on the new Geno thread there looks like 5-6 posters who say he may be something, but its not likely), but I do still think he can be a middle of the pack QB, 12-18 range QBR, with the right players around him. Some people say they want better than that, but I'd argue Kaepernick, Dalton, Tannehill, Stafford, and Flacco are in the same boat, if not stacked talent around them, I dont think those QBs can get their team in the play-offs by themselves. I think geno with gaily may be able to play at that level; and if he cant this year, see yeah. Im okay with being wrong with my optimism for his potential; because that is what it is, optimism. His work ethic and desire to be great will hopefully lead to the light going on one day...and maybe he'll become a Ryan Fitzpatrick, Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Rich Gannon type...but we'll see.

 

[Jet Setter]

Yeah and the blame goes to the GM for that. every game was like bringing a swiss army knife to a gun fight. Poor receiving options on top of poor coaching will give you the results that Geno Smith gave you. i wouldn't really expect anything more for any quarterback's first 2 years under those circumstances. The jury is still out. Let's see how he does with legitimate weapons and new coaches in the 3rd year... if he passes the first obstacle of beating out Fitzpatrick

...if there's a competition.

 

[Jet Setter]

if anything Fitzpatrick has the advantage. He was Gailey's guy in buffalo. Nobody in this organization (coaches, or the Front Office) have ties to Geno. I don't think Fitzpatrick is just going to lay over like Vick. Reno's going to have to fight for this one.

While that's all true, there's the angle of propping Geno up to be your future QB. That's not going to happen with Fitz getting all the reps. And Fitz isn't the future but I could be wrong. We'll see how this goes.

 

[Lakerfan80]

I think the Jets are focused on the 2015 season and not the future of the QB position. If whoever is starting at QB is a top 15 QB, and we have the talent around him to be that, then the Jets can compete for one of the six playoff spots. Sanchez wasn't even a top 20 QB and the team went to two championship games with him...and the point made from another poster about this regime having no ties to the 2nd round pick is a good one. Geno will get his shot but I don't think Fitz was brought in to mentor, as Vick was last season.

 

[OCCH]

For all the hard time I give idzik apologists, Im the Geno apologist. Before panties get in a bunch, which so frequently happens for a few posters, Im not saying im the only one who thinks geno can still be something (on the new Geno thread there looks like 5-6 posters who say he may be something, but its not likely), but I do still think he can be a middle of the pack QB, 12-18 range QBR, with the right players around him. Some people say they want better than that, but I'd argue Kaepernick, Dalton, Tannehill, Stafford, and Flacco are in the same boat, if not stacked talent around them, I dont think those QBs can get their team in the play-offs by themselves. I think geno with gaily may be able to play at that level; and if he cant this year, see yeah. Im okay with being wrong with my optimism for his potential; because that is what it is, optimism. His work ethic and desire to be great will hopefully lead to the light going on one day...and maybe he'll become a Ryan Fitzpatrick, Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Rich Gannon type...but we'll see.

So if I extrapolate that thought, would you have preferred giving Sanchez more weapons and using our #2 to draft Robert Woods, or Leveon Bell, or Eddie Lacy, instead of Geno?

 

[Superman55]

So if I extrapolate that thought, would you have preferred giving Sanchez more weapons and using our #2 to draft Robert Woods, or Leveon Bell, or Eddie Lacy, instead of Geno?

No. That was year 5 for Sanchez..we gave Sanchez 4 years to prove himself with Edwards, Holmes, Keller, Thomas Jones, and LT...how many more weapons does Sanchez need? he already prvode with stacked weapons he wasnt good...Decker with a pulled Hammy isn't as good as any of those guys (and we didnt see a healthy Decker until after the bye week.

So I'd argue geno still hasn't played with a single 1 player as good as Sanchez had, and Sanchez usually had 3 players at the skill positions, often 4, better than anyone Geno has yet to play with.

the Sanchez evaluation process was long over when we drafted Geno.

 

[OCCH]

No. That was year 5 for Sanchez..we gave Sanchez 4 years to prove himself with Edwards, Holmes, Keller, Thomas Jones, and LT...how many more weapons does Sanchez need? he already prvode with stacked weapons he wasnt good...Decker with a pulled Hammy isn't as good as any of those guys (and we didnt see a healthy Decker until after the bye week.

So I'd argue geno still hasn't played with a single 1 player as good as Sanchez had, and Sanchez usually had 3 players at the skill positions, often 4, better than anyone Geno has yet to play with.

the Sanchez evaluation process was long over when we drafted Geno.

Were you a Schotty fan?

 

[Superman55]

Were you a Schotty fan?

Hahahaha, has Brian Shottenheimer ever had a fan?

 

[OCCH]

Hahahaha, has Brian Shottenheimer ever had a fan?

Well said.

I understand giving Geno another shot (though I REALLY wish there was a better option). But ultimately I don't see the difference between him and Sanchez. Yes, Sanchez had more weapons in the beginning, but he also had WAY less college experience, and an OC that hurt more than helped.

It's not Geno's fault when receivers aren't talented enough to get open. But it IS his fault when they do, and he misses them by 5 yards. That happened WAY too often in his tenure here, and I'm not sure why that would suddenly change.

Having said that, I'm still rooting for the kid and would LOVE to be proven wrong . . .

 

[Superman55]

Well said.

I understand giving Geno another shot (though I REALLY wish there was a better option). But ultimately I don't see the difference between him and Sanchez. Yes, Sanchez had more weapons in the beginning, but he also had WAY less college experience, and an OC that hurt more than helped.

It's not Geno's fault when receivers aren't talented enough to get open. But it IS his fault when they do, and he misses them by 5 yards. That happened WAY too often in his tenure here, and I'm not sure why that would suddenly change.

Having said that, I'm still rooting for the kid and would LOVE to be proven wrong . . .

We'll see, we had two bottom 5 (by PFT ranking) pass blocking olinemen last year in Colon and Gia and dopes like Sudfeld actually on the field in key moments losing jump balls at 6'7 to 5'10 DBs...

You also have to factor in Sanchez came from Carroll's pro style (but very simplified) offense (Carroll's offense is still a handful of plays, that INT in the super bowl was the 7th time he had called that exact play in the game...) vs Geno coming from the spread offense almost no one runs in the NFL. You also have to factor Geno needing to learn NFL footwork, terminology, and how to read defenses and look off defenders vs Sanchez who took snaps under center and only needed the mental part of the game, not the physical learning corve of a pro style offense as well as the mental parts...

Sanchez was far more NFL ready coming out of USC than Geno (or Mariota for that matter) was coming from WVU. one thing I will warn is Mariota has every wart Geno had coming out of wvu and I feel will be a bust if asked to start and learn day 1, because he'll need time to learn also...just like Geno...and 2 years wont be enough for Mariota if he isnt learning and just working on playing...

We're calling Geno a bust after 2 years, if we start Mariota day 1, I feel we will also be calling him a bust after 2 years, because that's the windows QB seem to have these days...2 seasons...