Todd Bowles: Josh McCown is our starter for the rest of the season

[TonyFtLaud]

Per Pro football talk....
"When the 2017 season got underway, there were a lot of people who thought that the Jets would be the Jersey-based team changing head coaches and starting multiple quarterbacks.
Unless injury forces them to change their plans, it looks like the Giants will be the only team in the Garden State to do either of those things. Coach Todd Bowles isn’t going to be fired before the year is out and he said at his Wednesday press conference that Josh McCown is his starter the rest of the way.

It’s not a shock to hear that from Bowles as he’s said for several weeks now that he doesn’t see any reason to bench McCown in order to give playing time to Bryce Petty or Christian Hackenberg. McCown hasn’t provided any and was named AFC offensive player of the week after throwing for 331 yards and a touchdown and running for two others in last Sunday’s win over the Chiefs.

Assuming Bowles sticks with that plan and no health concerns crop up, Hackenberg would end his first two years in the NFL without seeing any regular season action. That probably makes the top offseason questions at quarterback for the Jets to whether McCown, who is set for free agency, is part of the plan for next season and whether there’s a young quarterback they think is likelier to get into the lineup than the 2016 second-round pick."

 

[NCgreen12]

I know McCown has played well but the scary part is the Jets may sign him for next year also. Just don't see him as a guy who can get us to the SuperBowl. The scenario is just not promising to delay the inevitable by another year of finding our long term starting QB. Seems we are happy with just putting a competitive team on the field to fill seats and not the ultimate prize. I already root for a MLB team like that in Queens.

 

[USANYJ]

I know McCown has played well but the scary part is the Jets may sign him for next year also. Just don't see him as a guy who can get us to the SuperBowl. The scenario is just not promising to delay the inevitable by another year of finding our long term starting QB. Seems we are happy with just putting a competitive team on the field to fill seats and not the ultimate prize. I already root for a MLB team like that in Queens.

Nothing more true thank this for us mets and jets fans

 

[lounap23]

I know McCown has played well but the scary part is the Jets may sign him for next year also. Just don't see him as a guy who can get us to the SuperBowl. The scenario is just not promising to delay the inevitable by another year of finding our long term starting QB. Seems we are happy with just putting a competitive team on the field to fill seats and not the ultimate prize. I already root for a MLB team like that in Queens.

I don't think the FO thinks anyting more than it's good to have a veteran QB to have to pass off to whatever young guy they draft.... I think lessons where learned with Fitzpatrick.

I'd Expect the QB depth chart to be McCown- Whoever we draft and Petty next year

 

[SackExchange]

I was not a fan of McCown playing this season. I wanted to go full-on youth. But at this point, how do you bench someone who is having the kind of season he's having. It's Fitz2015 all over again.

 

[jetgreen13]

I was not a fan of McCown playing this season. I wanted to go full-on youth. But at this point, how do you bench someone who is having the kind of season he's having. It's Fitz2015 all over again.

he never should have been in position to drag the jets to 6-10 or 7-9.. petty for the 3rd year running, had shown growth & much the way he outplayed smith a year ago in preseason, he outplayed mccown this preseason as well..

but because bowles cowardly, self serving, zero sum game playing prick, we will never find out what we have (or don't) in petty after woody's brother gives this dope an extension..

if i were petty & bowles is extended, if i'm not released, i would essentially tell bowles to eat a fat one & force the jets hand to release me..

**** continuing playing the good soldier role anymore.. i get that it's part of the young man's makeup but bowles couldn't give a shit about that one way or the other..

remember, this is the moron that is kindred spirits with sheldon richardson of all people?!

 

[TonyFtLaud]

he never should have been in position to drag the jets to 6-10 or 7-9.. petty for the 3rd year running, had shown growth & much the way he outplayed smith a year ago in preseason, he outplayed mccown this preseason as well..

but because bowles cowardly, self serving, zero sum game playing prick, we will never find out what we have (or don't) in petty after woody's brother gives this dope an extension..

if i were petty & bowles is extended, if i'm not released, i would essentially tell bowles to eat a fat one & force the jets hand to release me..

**** continuing playing the good soldier role anymore.. i get that it's part of the young man's makeup but bowles couldn't give a shit about that one way or the other..

remember, this is the moron that is kindred spirits with sheldon richardson of all people?!

Petty was well behind McCown all preseason. Hack and Petty were given all the Pre season game reps , (McCown played 3 series total. ) Neither could come close to beating out McCown. That should be an indictment of Mac's ability to draft a QB . Bowles job as HC is to put the best players on the field and whether that fits the fans agenda is irrelevant.
Petty squeaked past hack but to say he out played McCown all preseason is questionable at best.

 

[SackExchange]

he never should have been in position to drag the jets to 6-10 or 7-9.. petty for the 3rd year running, had shown growth & much the way he outplayed smith a year ago in preseason, he outplayed mccown this preseason as well..

but because bowles cowardly, self serving, zero sum game playing prick, we will never find out what we have (or don't) in petty after woody's brother gives this dope an extension..

if i were petty & bowles is extended, if i'm not released, i would essentially tell bowles to eat a fat one & force the jets hand to release me..

**** continuing playing the good soldier role anymore.. i get that it's part of the young man's makeup but bowles couldn't give a shit about that one way or the other..

remember, this is the moron that is kindred spirits with sheldon richardson of all people?!

I know you don't like Bowles, but that comment is both vindictive toward him and speculative of what is going on in practice. Honestly, if Petty is in a position to outplay McCown, then we have ourselves a Hall of Famer. McCown is having a career season, and if Petty is a lock to be better than what McCown has shown this season, then we should either start him now or trade him for a couple firsts.

 

[SackExchange]

Petty was well behind McCown all preseason. Hack and Petty were given all the Pre season game reps , (McCown played 3 series total. ) Neither could come close to beating out McCown. That should be an indictment of Mac's ability to draft a QB . Bowles job as HC is to put the best players on the field and whether that fits the fans agenda is irrelevant.
Petty squeaked past hack but to say he out played McCown all preseason is questionable at best.

But it fits the Bowles-hating narrative.

This franchise is already ridiculed. If we dump Bowles after a season like this, that ridicule will only compound.

 

[TonyFtLaud]

I know McCown has played well but the scary part is the Jets may sign him for next year also. Just don't see him as a guy who can get us to the SuperBowl. The scenario is just not promising to delay the inevitable by another year of finding our long term starting QB. Seems we are happy with just putting a competitive team on the field to fill seats and not the ultimate prize. I already root for a MLB team like that in Queens.

I expect McCown to be resigned unless a Free Agent like Cousins is signed to a long term deal.
I know the ghost of Fitz part 2 looks large but Fitz did not play near as well as McCown has this year in his glory year of 2015 ,and he had alot more talent around him. Remember Fitz had 31 dropped interceptions to McCowns 2.
I'm not a McCown fan , am amazed he has not been injured yet this season but he makes sense at the right price. Woody isn't here to bid again Mac like he did in Fitz second year. Mangold , Decker , and Marshall are not here to divide the locker room , sit out OTAs and campaign for their boyfriend Fitz. There will be a reasonable one or 2 year deal with the second one being an option year. If we Draft a QB, McCown makes sense , and if we don't ,Hack and Petty will get every chance to beat him out in the off-season. If they can't , the young core of players will be a nice starting point for the New GM and HC in 2019.
This is year 1 of a rebuild. Not the old , sign a bunch of past their prime old , overpaid vets and try to make a run bandaids we have been forced to live with. Will it be successful? I'm hopeful. The team is actually playing well, fighting hard, unified, and don't quit. Last week they found a way to win a game that last year's team would have quit on in the first quarter. That's progress...
I have watched this team since the late 60s. I want to celebrate a Superbowl win before I die, not very likely but maybe I can see them going in the right direction and have hope my son's will see it happen , if I can't.

 

[jetgreen13]

Petty was well behind McCown all preseason. Hack and Petty were given all the Pre season game reps , (McCown played 3 series total. ) Neither could come close to beating out McCown. That should be an indictment of Mac's ability to draft a QB . Bowles job as HC is to put the best players on the field and whether that fits the fans agenda is irrelevant.
Petty squeaked past hack but to say he out played McCown all preseason is questionable at best.

petty had close to a perfect QBR week three of the preseason, while mccown sat out preseason like he was marino getting ready for week one..

if that fundamentally makes sense to you, so be it.. it doesn't for me..

 

[jetgreen13]

I know you don't like Bowles, but that comment is both vindictive toward him and speculative of what is going on in practice.

speculative of what sack??

the kid has done nothing but run the scout team this season & never got one snap with the first team offense this last preseason in an "open" competition for the job.. when was he afforded anything close to an opportunity to show he could outplay a 38 year old JAG??

what of petty's small NFL window (as a 4th rounder) opportunity?? bowles has done everything in his power to stifle that, because of shooting for 6 or 7 wins this season with a elderly proven JAG.. because finding out if petty can or can not play in actual NFL regular season games didn't fit his agenda in a full rebuild year..

 

[TonyFtLaud]

petty had close to a perfect QBR week three of the preseason, while mccown sat out preseason like he was marino getting ready for week one..

if that fundamentally makes sense to you, so be it.. it doesn't for me..

Against guys who are lucky to have made practice squads if still in the league. Hack was pretty bad all preseason, except when he went in for Petty vs those same 3rd string and Bubble players. Then he looked as good or better than Petty.
McCown was so far ahead of both in practice that he didn't have to play preseason . Petty couldn't compete with him, nor could Hack. McCown did have a big advantage in that he was already familiar with the offense , but the opportunity to win the starting job was there for both Petty and Hack. Neither could capitalize.
It makes sense to me. I never bought into the tank talk the media was force feeding the fanbase. This team was never going to play to lose .

 

[TonyFtLaud]

But it fits the Bowles-hating narrative.

This franchise is already ridiculed. If we dump Bowles after a season like this, that ridicule will only compound.

If we dump Bowles after this season the ridicule would be deserved. I have been anti Bowles since 2015. I think we overachieved. Got a ton of breaks and that Bowle's coached terribly in that 10 win season. Last year I thought he should have been fired when he lost the locker room. He was as complacent in the Fitz disaster as the locker room cancers we finally cut , announcing "Fitz is our starter" when he wasn't even under contract.
This season, as much as I hate to say it, Bowles has done a very good job. He assembled a good staff , has the team playing hard and the players seem to love him. I think he is back next year with the possibility of him even getting a contract extension. Hopefully that extension doesn't come until next year, mid season if the team continues to develop and improve upon this season....

 

[jetgreen13]

Against guys who are lucky to have made practice squads if still in the league. Hack was pretty bad all preseason, except when he went in for Petty vs those same 3rd string and Bubble players. Then he looked as good or better than Petty.
McCown was so far ahead of both in practice that he didn't have to play preseason . Petty couldn't compete with him, nor could Hack. McCown did have a big advantage in that he was already familiar with the offense , but the opportunity to win the starting job was there for both Petty and Hack. Neither could capitalize.
It makes sense to me. I never bought into the tank talk the media was force feeding the fanbase. This team was never going to play to lose .

gee, that's an odd way to judge an "open" QB competition??

it's almost as if the competition was in name only & bowles had decided mccown was going to be his guy as soon as maccagnan was dumb enough to sign him..

as far as practice went, much like the preseason, mccown got the lion's share of 1st team snaps.. go figure.. i know this because i followed the jets last training camp almost on a snap to snap basis via twitter reports.. based on those same reports, mccown didn't wildly outplay petty in practice.. that's a false narrative.. petty reportedly had a strong camp, given his limited opportunities..

 

[Mainejet]

McCown has truly played great this season. I simply can't deny Toilet made the best decision in regards to the QB position. But with that said, that move does nothing for the Jets moving forward. McCown was a short term solution and the Jets have followed his success in neglect of the long term view.

So my take is the following:

The Jets and Mac already know that Bryce Petty and Chris Hackenberg are lost causes. No sense in playing them and proving to the fans what they already know. Toilets job is to win games and that's exactly what he's done at the QB spot. Start the guy that gives you the best chance at winning. Therefore, there's also no worries about the future? The NYJ QB for 2018? 2019 and beyond? is not on the roster at this time.

Mac KNOWS what he must do? It's time for Mac to shit or get off the pot once and for all. He's been a good GM. I've criticized the shit out of him in the past, and although I'm still very much up and down about the guy, right now I realize his offseason moves were excellent for this team. However, he still hasn't solved that QB riddle? That's what doesn't allow him to be an echelon above guys like John Idzik? Mac can pick players that have talent. he's done well along those lines. But QB is a different set of rules. It's really all a crap shoot and Mac hasn't managed to pick up a decent QB.

HE MUST DO IT NOW.

I'm convinced he will not get any more chances after this go around? He's got one more chance to raise this team into a contender and that starts with a QB. He's going to have to use FA or the draft and get the Jets the guy that's going to make the team perennial playoff contenders. If he fails again, he's going to get fired. If he succeeds? he will thrust himself into the best GM in Jets history. that's what Jets fans will contend. They'll love him because he was able to finally put the best QB on the Jets since Kenny O.

 

[AFA2017]

Bowles is playing his best players to improve his Win/Lost record and what he has accomplished with the NY Jets. This is pure (Build my Resume) future job opportunity.

 

[beresford]

What have you achieved this season?

Patrotz fan: Reached another Superbowl, extended the streak of consecutive AFC Easts,

Jets fan: Developed Robbie Anderson.

 

[Gramoah]

Petty was well behind McCown all preseason. Hack and Petty were given all the Pre season game reps , (McCown played 3 series total. ) Neither could come close to beating out McCown. That should be an indictment of Mac's ability to draft a QB . Bowles job as HC is to put the best players on the field and whether that fits the fans agenda is irrelevant.
Petty squeaked past hack but to say he out played McCown all preseason is questionable at best.

I have to agree here entirely. Hack, just isn't impressing anyone and I don't know what the true story is with him. It's obvious they rate Petty higher and I have to agree based on what we've seen which, admittedly, isn't very much. My guess, and it's just a guess, is that they will try to bring McCown back for another season, keep Petty, cut Hackenberg, and pick up another QB in free agency or the draft. We can see, if we try, the rationality of playing the Vet McCown. These young players are continuing to improve as a result of his being under center and that has significant value to the team as a whole. He is accomplishing what they wanted him to do and therefore will continue to play him as long as he continues to do that.

 

[USANYJ]

speculative of what sack??

the kid has done nothing but run the scout team this season & never got one snap with the first team offense this last preseason in an "open" competition for the job.. when was he afforded anything close to an opportunity to show he could outplay a 38 year old JAG??

what of petty's small NFL window (as a 4th rounder) opportunity?? bowles has done everything in his power to stifle that, because of shooting for 6 or 7 wins this season with a elderly proven JAG.. because finding out if petty can or can not play in actual NFL regular season games didn't fit his agenda in a full rebuild year..

What about guys who just don't practice well? those exist. I would like to see him under center during real games. We saw last year but lets see the improvement. If there is any.