Veteran WR's being rumored to be talking to the Jets !!

[Jet Setter]

if mariota is off the board, that basically means you are pigeonholing the pick to one position (OLB). i would not expect a veteran scout like macc to focus solely on one position with a prime pick. that said, i am not ruling out the position. just that i personally would not take WR off the board at [URL=http://nyjetsfanatics.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=6]#6 [/URL] - stevie johnson or no stevie johnson.

fwiw - i do not expect the jets to sign any of these veteran WRs, at least until after the draft.

Even if he did pigeonhole himself with an OLB at #6 , he can't go wrong. A bunch of viable options to plug in place with that front line intact. Gregory could be scary in there. He's the best pure pass rusher and closes so fast. I'm just concerned about his height/weight ratio translating to the pro game. He would terrify Tommy.

 

[Old#15]

I wish there was an OL worthy of #6 , because it is a huge need IMO. We have either very average or aging veterans (Thor and Brick) along the OL. A guy like Collins or Scherff could solidify either OG or RT positions for years to come, and so it is arguable whether 6 is too early. Zack Martin was a similar prospect last year, and I'll bet the Cowboys would pick him first again even if they had the 6th pick.

 

[Superman55]

Hobson,
I wasn't advocating a RB at #6 . My only point was that we still have 3 pretty big holes on the roster. I think 2 of those needs will be in play at #6 : QB or OLB. I fully expect our pick to be at one of those 2 positions based on the way Macc has conducted his offseason to this point.

Superman55,

I would have been very interested in Cooper or White. That doesn't appear to be in Macc or Bowles plans though. If we add someone like Stevie Johnson, I would still add a young WR like Conley, Green, Lockett, or Diggs in round 4, but wouldn't consider addressing the position at #6 now.

Regarding speed, that could be addressed with the 3rd to 4th round WR's mentioned above as well as Duke Johnson at RB who I have advocated since day one. Duke/Lockett would be a nice speed addition to go along with the strength of Marshall/Decker on the outside.

Regarding the question of how rank the players you mentioned:
1) Cooper/Beasley 3) White 4) Ray 5)Dupree 6) Fowler

Fowler is someone I think we would be wise to stay away from.

Where would you put Gregory?

 

[atmorrisjr]

Amari Cooper. :football-catching-s

Go Jets...Cyborg

+1...

 

[Superman55]

I wish there was an OL worthy of #6 , because it is a huge need IMO. We have either very average or aging veterans (Thor and Brick) along the OL. A guy like Collins or Scherff could solidify either OG or RT positions for years to come, and so it is arguable whether 6 is too early. Zack Martin was a similar prospect last year, and I'll bet the Cowboys would pick him first again even if they had the 6th pick.

Definitely isn't. I agree its too bad, but if the Jets do trade back for some reason, I think Collins comes in play quickly. He's the Zach martin of this draft, IMO. He can start day 1 at OG or RT, wherever you need him and is filthy mean. Like a young Colon that plays at a higher level. I like his potential. He is likely my favorite olineman in this draft...but definitely not at 6. I wouldn't even consider him unless we picked 20 AND Gurly was off the board.

if we trade back, anything below 10, I think Gurly comes into play for us.

 

[Pointdexter]

if mariota is off the board, that basically means you are pigeonholing the pick to one position (OLB). i would not expect a veteran scout like macc to focus solely on one position with a prime pick. that said, i am not ruling out the position. just that i personally would not take WR off the board at [URL=http://nyjetsfanatics.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=6]#6 [/URL] - stevie johnson or no stevie johnson.

fwiw - i do not expect the jets to sign any of these veteran WRs, at least until after the draft.

You are only truly pigeonholing yourself if you are forced to take an OLB no matter if there are better options. The truth is that the strength of this draft at the top is with edge rushers. It seems that Macc is playing to this fact by addressing just about every weakness on the team BUT olb. We've upgrade OL, S, CB, QB, and WR.

RB and OLB are the two positions/weaknesses we haven't been active in addressing. I'm just doing the math here. By no means do I think it's an absolute to OLB or QB at #6 but I think it's very likely. I also expect someone who can play in coverage just as proficiently as he can rush the passer with Bowles' premium he puts on defending the pass.

 

[Superman55]

You are only truly pigeonholing yourself if you are forced to take an OLB no matter if there are better options. The truth is that the strength of this draft at the top is with edge rushers. It seems that Macc is playing to this fact by addressing just about every weakness on the team BUT olb. We've upgrade OL, S, CB, QB, and WR.

RB and OLB are the two positions/weaknesses we haven't been active in addressing. I'm just doing the math here. By no means do I think it's an absolute to OLB or QB at [URL=http://nyjetsfanatics.com/usertag.php?do=list&action=hash&hash=6]#6 [/URL] but I think it's very likely. I also expect someone who can play in coverage just as proficiently as he can rush the passer with Bowles' premium he puts on defending the pass.

do you think there is any chance Gurley could go at #6 ?

 

[Jet Setter]

Wow, some serious play for RB here. I'm surprised. Interesting.

 

[Jet Setter]

Cecil Shorts is visiting Houston.

 

[lounap23]

do you think there is any chance Gurley could go at #6 ?

in short NO

 

[maxmet]

I flip the analysis around. I think the staff has addressed some of our needs well enough that we will not feel compelled to address needs.

AND they have left the edge rusher need not addressed in FA wisely. I think the available edge rushers in FA were not good value solutions AND this draft has quality edge rushers so good chance that one will be there at #6 . So they are playing it smart. They are opening options and flexibility. We're creating opportunities for draft success - and not trying to fill an inside straight.

If Cooper is there and they love him - fine

If BPA is an edge rusher at OLB - terrific

If they have faith in Mariotta and he is there - great, well I would be worried, but they get paid the big bucks

If Mariotta is there and we can turn the #6 into two firsts this year and a first next year and we dont believe in him - wonderful

 

[Pointdexter]

do you think there is any chance Gurley could go at #6 ?

No. I've watched a lot of Gurley. Not only does he have the ACL but he is a RB that takes punishment. His playing window won't be exceptionally long in the NFL, in my opinion. He also gets gassed at times and may never be a true workhorse back, but better as a 15-20 carry guy working in a platoon.

The thing about Gurley is that when he does touch the ball and he's fresh, I've seen very few better. He will slide to bottom of round 1 or top of round 2. If he gets to #37 I think you probably take him.

 

[Superman55]

Wow, some serious play for RB here. I'm surprised. Interesting.

We need a gamebreaker...doesnt matter to me if its WR or RB, but there doesnt appear to be a TE that fits that mold...so that goes back to WR or RB for me. if we draft offense, the OL, TE, and QB prospects look poor to me, which is another reason to look at WR and RB. I dont think Powell is a threat to take it to the house if he was 10 yards out. So he doesnt fit that description for me. We need someone with some speed, IMO.

 

[Pointdexter]

Where would you put Gregory?

I like Gregory. I think he fits our purposes well so I would have him high. I think he is more boom or bust than Dupree or Ray. I would really want to see if he puts on weight for his pro day. The bottom line though is he is athletic enough to play in space so I would have him on our short list of picks at #6 .

My draft would go something like this:

1) Beasley
2) Petty
3) Duke Johnson
4) Conley

But others I like are Gurley, Cam Erving, Eli Harold, Rashad Green, Lockett, Diggs
Mariota I'm on the fence with.

 

[NYJETSDAN16]

The guy was a major project coming out of college. The INSTANT GRATIFICATION CROWD are giving up after two years. That tells me that they will always give up when a team is trying to develop a young QB, expecially one that did not play under center in college. In my opinion this is the year Geno must step up or out! Three years is long enough for a young QB to show what he has. Guys talking up FITZ conveniently forget that he throws a ton of INTS and fumbles the ball a lot too. Plus he is 32 and not 24. I'd rather we continue to develop a guy who can make all the throws and move in the pocket. Mariota is a project too. The same guys calling for the demise of Geno will be calling for Mariota's head too if he is not a franchise QB the minute he steps onto the field for us. Mariota had all of 5 snaps under center this past year!!!!! Err Fitz was traded for BECAUSE we needed a vet QB behind Geno in case he stumbled. FITZ was not brought here to be our Franchise QB as so many are trying to indicate. He is a mediocre QB at best. Able to move a team and then he makes a stupid mistake. Its usually the same type of mistake, over and over!

It's silly to root for a guy that can actually keep us in the game (Fitzpatrick) than a guy who consistently turns the ball over time and time again and has shown no signs of improvement or talent for that matter?

I'am sorry but wasting year three on a player in which this regime has no bias over just seems too far fetched.

 

[Jet Setter]

It's silly to root for a guy that can actually keep us in the game (Fitzpatrick) than a guy who consistently turns the ball over time and time again and has shown no signs of improvement or talent for that matter?

I'am sorry but wasting year three on a player in which this regime has no bias over just seems too far fetched.

I don't think it's silly to root for him.

And I don't believe he's the first QB in history that had a lot of turnovers his first two seasons as a QB. My goodness, find me some who haven't. It's not enough to sway my opinion to see all this bashing, negative talk. I still harbor hopes that he can be an effective game manager who can flash big play potential. That's all Russell Wilson is. Same for Flacco. Someone threw that perfect rating game vs Miami.

Look, I'm not blind to not notice some bad turnovers but show me a rookie or 2nd year QB who didn't so that. And when you point these things out, let's be honest and actually throw in the caveat that he has had a terrible cast with which to work for. Who can deny that he not only had a bad cast but a terrible HC to support him.

Combine with all of this the landscape of QB's today. Who is better? That's right, who's better than Geno at this stage? That's the burning question. And he's still on his rookie contract and you can continue building the team through filling holes while you see what he can do with a supporting cast. To me, this is the option being utilized by this regime. I think this is the direction this year. For better or worse, we're stuck with Geno this season. Mariota is NOT a better prospect. And what comes with him is another Geno result and the loss of a #6 pick.
And some of you ought to embrace this reality because it's coming. You can deny it all you want but it's coming.

 

[NYJDraftKing]

Stevie Johnson signed with the Chargers

 

[NYJETSDAN16]

I don't think it's silly to root for him.

And I don't believe he's the first QB in history that had a lot of turnovers his first two seasons as a QB. My goodness, find me some who haven't. It's not enough to sway my opinion to see all this bashing, negative talk. I still harbor hopes that he can be an effective game manager who can flash big play potential. That's all Russell Wilson is. Same for Flacco. Someone threw that perfect rating game vs Miami.

Look, I'm not blind to not notice some bad turnovers but show me a rookie or 2nd year QB who didn't so that. And when you point these things out, let's be honest and actually throw in the caveat that he has had a terrible cast with which to work for. Who can deny that he not only had a bad cast but a terrible HC to support him.

Combine with all of this the landscape of QB's today. Who is better? That's right, who's better than Geno at this stage? That's the burning question. And he's still on his rookie contract and you can continue building the team through filling holes while you see what he can do with a supporting cast. To me, this is the option being utilized by this regime. I think this is the direction this year. For better or worse, we're stuck with Geno this season. Mariota is NOT a better prospect. And what comes with him is another Geno result and the loss of a #6 pick.
And some of you ought to embrace this reality because it's coming. You can deny it all you want but it's coming.

What's coming is something that many are trying to avoid to see: The same result with the same QB under center if given another opportunity. Geno Smith is what he is. Whether its with a better supporting cast or another regime.

 

[Jet Setter]

What's coming is something that many are trying to avoid to see: The same result with the same QB under center if given another opportunity. Geno Smith is what he is. Whether its with a better supporting cast or another regime.

No one knows this for certain. I don't know how you can project such stuff without having not seen him with a good cast, in another offense and possibly most important, someone to learn from in Fitz.

I don't believe in such crystal ball analogies. I'll believe it when it actually happens. Until then, your words are nothing more than a WAG.

 

[NYJETSDAN16]

No one knows this for certain. I don't know how you can project such stuff without having not seen him with a good cast, in another offense and possibly most important, someone to learn from in Fitz.

I don't believe in such crystal ball analogies. I'll believe it when it actually happens. Until then, your words are nothing more than a WAG.

What i have seen the past two seasons aren't just "WORDS", they're merely facts. Plus, Geno apologists don't need a realist "Crystal Ball" point of views to understand that excuses upon excuses can only lead becoming more delusional regarding what they really think Geno can be, because he will never be.

Excuse #1 : He needs better talent.
Rebuttle fact #1 : In 2014 he was given more talent than he was given in his rookie year in Eric Decker, Jace Amaro, CJ2K & Percy Harvin. He not only regressed, but was benched twice because of his horrendous play.

Excuse #2 : He needs better coaching.
Rebuttle fact #2 : What good is this if he can't make it to team meetings? (i.e San Diego) This only means one thing. He doesn't take coaching seriously.

The more he plays, the more that 2013 scouting report on him becomes glaringly more believable:

{http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000156411/article/geno-smiths-work-ethic-questioned-in-scouting-report}

"(Smith is) not a student of the game. Nonchalant field presence -- does not command respect from teammates and cannot inspire. Mild practice demeanor -- no urgency. Not committed or focused -- marginal work ethic. Interviewed poorly at the combine and did not show an understanding of concepts on the white board. Opted not to compete at the Senior Bowl and has approached offseason training as if he has already arrived, and it shows in his body with minimal muscle definition or strength. ...

When Geno was placed back into the starting lineup this past '14 campaign, his teammates couldn't believe it. (http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/11940745/new-york-jets-start-quarterback-geno-smith-miami-dolphins) "THE LOCKER ROOM WAS STUNNED".

This is the player many want to lead the 2015 New York Jets, again?!! I'am sorry, but i've seen enough of this 3 interception in one quarter performance from this horrid scrub. Time to move on.