Who will be Jets 2015 starting QB?

[OCCH]

J82,

The trouble with a QB competition is the divided reps. If you have two guys competing and its a real competition, then your eventual starter is only getting 50% of the first team reps. If you have three guys competing, your eventual starter in only getting 33 to 34% of the first team reps, and if you have four, its 25% of the first team reps. That said, when you are installing a new system with a new OC, ideally your starting QB is getting 100% of the first team reps, or close to it, cause its the only way to develop a real chemistry with your offense. Thats why its always preferable to name your starter early, particularly when you're installing a new system.

The other problem with QB competitions is they tend to divide the locker-room.

I don't care what the breakdown of reps is -- give Geno 100% and see what he does with them. Fitzpatrick likely doesn't need them anyway, and CAN'T take them until he's physically able to.

It still doesn't mean Geno has to be named the "no-brainer" starter in May.

Again, if that's just coach-speak, then it's irrelevant. But all we have is what they're saying, and based on that they have WAY more belief in Geno than his history deserves.

Now, do they have more insight than I do? Infinitely more. But our last CS gave the kid too much credit too, and look where they ended up . . .

 

[jets82]

I hear where all you guys are coming from and can't dispute any of it. I realize Geno has to get 100% of the snaps for the chemistry of the offense, new system etc-etc. Plus Fitz isn't healthy yet, so it wouldn't be a competition anyway. I'm just saying in a perfect world, it would have been nice for a open competition but I understand that it isn't.

 

[NYJETSDAN16]

That's all posturing. Are you trying to tell me that the Jets would IGNORE another QB's talent to start in favor of Geno just because they said so on May 20th?

You're nuts if you believe that.

Whether they are saying it or not there WILL be a QB competition in TC.

And frankly, if they really are going to spurn others in favor of Geno when Geno was his normal disaster self, then Todd Bowles, Chan Gailey, Mike Maccagnan, and Woody Johnson all deserve to get thrown out of NY on their fat incompetent A$$es for something so stupid.

I couldn't agree more. This isn't the old regime by any stretch. Sure Chan will state what he said that Geno is the guy right now. Who else right now can compete with him in May. Fitz is a gimp who hopefully when fully recovered will give the coaching staff something to think about soon if (matter of time) Geno shows his true colors. Matt Simms seems like the odd man out. Bryce Petty is too raw at this moment.

Come training camp we will see if Geno truly wants to take this challenge of "LAST OPPORTUNITY" by the horns.
IMHO, I feel it will be a repeat of last season, with no pressure, Geno will give many this illusion that he has taken that next step. He'll be anointed the week one starter. He'll play good in Cleveland just like Oakland last seasons opener. Then, when the pressure of the big boy clubs come around, say week two, he'll most likely (due to what we have seen for two seasons in a row) choke.

In saying so, this is where this regime goes unparalleled to the last one. They wont waste a season on Geno's development, especially the investments Woody gave McCaggnan to spend on. Geno will get yanked no later than week 3 if he showcases what his true talents are: Turning the ball over.

What Chan proclaimed in May, IMHO has no value until the bullets start flying for real. Heck, Browning Nagle looked amazing in '92 going 5-0 in the preseason.

 

[NYJETSDAN16]

J82,

The trouble with a QB competition is the divided reps. If you have two guys competing and its a real competition, then your eventual starter is only getting 50% of the first team reps. If you have three guys competing, your eventual starter in only getting 33 to 34% of the first team reps, and if you have four, its 25% of the first team reps. That said, when you are installing a new system with a new OC, ideally your starting QB is getting 100% of the first team reps, or close to it, cause its the only way to develop a real chemistry with your offense. Thats why its always preferable to name your starter early, particularly when you're installing a new system.

The other problem with QB competitions is they tend to divide the locker-room.

The Locker room will again be divided as it was last season once Geno starts playing. His inexcusable turnovers made the majority of his teammates vouch for Vick to start. The same IMHO will occur this season when and if he does start. This is why this regime wont do like their predecessors did in placing all their eggs in one basket. They have other options that can give hope to fans that the season can be salvaged with Fitz or some hope for the future in seeing Petty play later in the season.

 

[NYJETSDAN16]

I hear where all you guys are coming from and can't dispute any of it. I realize Geno has to get 100% of the snaps for the chemistry of the offense, new system etc-etc. Plus Fitz isn't healthy yet, so it wouldn't be a competition anyway. I'm just saying in a perfect world, it would have been nice for a open competition but I understand that it isn't.

IMHO, there will be competition once Geno starts playing and the coaching staff sees what they have at the position.

 

[Lakerfan80]

They know what they have at the position...there is plenty of pro tape on Geno and Fitz. Also there is competition for the 3rd QB on the roster..

 

[ucrenegade]

I said from the beg I liked fitz better than smith but after reviewing the offensive type gailey runs smith is def the better fit.

Gailey likes to move the pocket and i wouldn't say dumpoff but he does alot of what could be conceived as screen type passes to stretch the field and open the run he also does alot of quick outs.

Geno doesn't have to think as much with gaileys offense all he has to know is the route the guys are running and who his dumpoff man is. He doesn't even have to watch the guy get open gailey is going to say throw it to this spot on the field and he will expect the wr/te/hb to beat his guy.

gaileys offense is all about schemes more than a manning type qb who will audible alot and try to mentally beat the defense.

gailey wants to win the talent contest to beat the defense in other words everyone will be held accountable and are expected to beat their man.

This should really bold well for geno because he won't be forced to hold onto the ball looking to get someone open. I also don't see geno looking off a safety to get a wr open. His playaction needs work also hopefully he can improve upon that.

This is where having a big guy like marshall and a big te like jace is most important in the red zone.

gaileys offense is not designed to be great in the rz unfortunately because it is alot harder to spread the defense.

we will need to do alot of scoring outside the redzone.

 

[Lakerfan80]

Good post...and the last parts about redzone scoring is what gives Fitz the slight advantage over Geno imo. If Geno has improved as a pocket passer it will show up in the redzone with TD's...Geno or Fitz should be able to get at least 25 TD's with this talent.

 

[Mugatu]

I wouldn't be so sure that Geno is a better fit for Gaileys system, considering Fitz has had his best success in it AND if there is a moving pocket, I think that will give Geno trouble. Is Geno physically more mobile? Of course. I just dont think his mechanics/footwork are there. At this point he has issues climbing the pocket when pressured and trouble seeing pressure period, I have little faith he will be any better on the move.

 

[ucrenegade]

I wouldn't be so sure that Geno is a better fit for Gaileys system, considering Fitz has had his best success in it AND if there is a moving pocket, I think that will give Geno trouble. Is Geno physically more mobile? Of course. I just dont think his mechanics/footwork are there. At this point he has issues climbing the pocket when pressured and trouble seeing pressure period, I have little faith he will be any better on the move.

That is why I specified with gailey he will think less and we know he can make the throws his problem has been mental not his footwork

 

[Mugatu]

I disagree.... I think most of his accuracy problems stem from his footwork. Mentally he isn't great either but his footwork is the reason he misses open receivers so frequently.

 

[Lakerfan80]

I wouldn't be so sure that Geno is a better fit for Gaileys system, considering Fitz has had his best success in it AND if there is a moving pocket, I think that will give Geno trouble. Is Geno physically more mobile? Of course. I just dont think his mechanics/footwork are there. At this point he has issues climbing the pocket when pressured and trouble seeing pressure period, I have little faith he will be any better on the move.

Agree..it's his footwork and mechanics in the pocket that needs to be improved he is going to be a better QB. No QB was blitzed more and Geno looked totally lost when facing pressure up the middle.