Why does nobody like the Jets?

[mykcuz]

Yes the media market makes the difference and the fact the Jets play in NY-NJ but I believe its because we are still the little brother to the Giants in NY-NJ. To add salt to the wound, we play in the same stadium as the Giants and have since the 80's, I believe. We never should left Shea and moved to the Meadowlands. Its like what the Clippers go through with the Lakers. Until we win a SB, it will stay the same to a certain extent.

Other things have happened to make it worse like hiring that loud mouth asshole in Rex Ryan who brought even more attention to a already considered little brother team in the biggest media market in the country. Then he continued the spotlight and pressure on the team and himself but couldn't deliver it. Parcells may have started the spotlight HATRED because he brought two SBs to the Giants but couldn't do it for us but Parcells was respected and so was the Jets when he was he. We were no longer considered a laughing stock as we were in the Kotite days with Parcells.

After Parcells left, we just couldn't seem to find a HC to follow in his foot-steps of keeping us respected even though we may have been hated or even considered the little brothers to the Giants. Herm Edwards came close but not close enough and I think Herm left way to soon. Rex Ryan I believe is what brought back the laughing stock modo. Yes the two straight AFC-championships were great but that was taken away from us immediately as far as whatever little respect we got because of the Rex bravado and garbage that came out his mouth ALL THE DAMN TIME.

So the laughing stock modo was with us before the Parcells erra but he got rid of that. We were respected with him but hated and I had no problems with that. After he left and Belibitch quit on us after one day, the respect slowly started to slip away and Rex brought back the laughing stock modo IMO. With Bowles and Mac now and their method of operation, the respect should return real soon and we may even start to be liked a little bit. However; the little brother modo will never leave until we win a SB and it would also help "IF WE GOT OUR OWN DAMN STADIUM BACK IN NY"

You seem to ignore the fact that after Parcells, we had herm Edwards who was respected and mangini who was respected. Ny media still posed us as idiots even though we had solid players,played well, and were perennial playoff contenders.

Rex came in and was considered fun, and a breath of fresh air, and Damn near delivered us a super bowl.

The media has pre determined who we are abs will bend facts to make us for the character they have decided for us, based on what will sell headlines.

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[HYATT™]

When you move into yer older brother's basement - and LIVE THERE FOR 30+ YEARS - of course you'll get no respect.
Moving back to NY proper would be a start but with over a half-billion in debt in the new stadium that ain't gunna happen for another 30 years or more.

 

[johnnysd]

The stadium was and will always be a huge mistake. I think if the Jets really want to be viewed as equal to the Giants there would need to be some major marketing changes of the team made. Stadium in NY, new log and uniform and winning success. I think we may have start on the winning with Bowles and Mac.

 

[jets82]

You seem to ignore the fact that after Parcells, we had herm Edwards who was respected and mangini who was respected. Ny media still posed us as idiots even though we had solid players,played well, and were perennial playoff contenders.

Rex came in and was considered fun, and a breath of fresh air, and Damn near delivered us a super bowl.

The media has pre determined who we are abs will bend facts to make us for the character they have decided for us, based on what will sell headlines.

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Maybe you missed or misunderstood what posted. I could have also not made my point clear. I posted in a nutshell that after Parcells left we came close to still having that respect but it wasn't the same. I posted that with Herm Edwards it was close IMO but not the same because Herm didn't carry the Parcells legacy. Herm didn't have those SBs or Parcells resume so how could he. I also believe Herm left way to early because we could of problaby reached that mark with Herm.

Mangini kept some respect as well but still it wasn't Parcells. Rex was what brought back the true negative attention, non-respect and laughing stock modo. Even when we were winning it seemed, not seemed but it was more about Rex then the team, not good! Then when it fell apart it fell hard and super fast. The combo of Rex and Tanny and especially Rex and Idzik brought us back to the Kotite days, laughing stock and 100% non-respected days.

 

[mykcuz]

Maybe you missed or misunderstood what posted. I could have also not made my point clear. I posted in a nutshell that after Parcells left we came close to still having that respect but it wasn't the same. I posted that with Herm Edwards it was close IMO but not the same because Herm didn't carry the Parcells legacy. Herm didn't have those SBs or Parcells resume so how could he. I also believe Herm left way to early because we could of problaby reached that mark with Herm.

Mangini kept some respect as well but still it wasn't Parcells. Rex was what brought back the true negative attention, non-respect and laughing stock modo. Even when we were winning it seemed, not seemed but it was more about Rex then the team, not good! Then when it fell apart it fell hard and super fast. The combo of Rex and Tanny and especially Rex and Idzik brought us back to the Kotite days, laughing stock and 100% non-respected days.

I feel like in your post you are saying after Parcells, herm was a blip, Rex was hired and we were a laughing stock again. That's not accurate. They way Parcells left, so quickly and without completing his task, and because Parcells screwed up with bellicheck, we started the negative news cycle again.

Edwards and mangini were ok but basically mediocre with the exception of the year of favre, and we had the negative press on us.

Rex came in and brought bart Scott and LT, and the press actually liked him. We started dominating game one. When we were good they didn't acknowledge it, when we had a down year the media got nasty, and other nfl fans fed off of that. The headlines stirred people up who were already turned off by the super bowl guarantees of Ryan.

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[NewMFS62]

Why?
Its simple. The Jets were the iconoclasts. They were the upstart team from that upstart league. While the NFL was old, and stodgy, playing and living fat, rich and conservatively, the Jets represented a league that was young, different and with innovative ideas, including (gasp!) different camera angles in their telecasts. They threw the ball downfield. They were fun.
And when the Jets won Super Bowl III, it upset them. I still remember the look on Pete Rozelle's face in the post game locker room when Joe Namath said "Welcome to the American Football League". It was the best possible response to all the players, fans and writers who had looked down their noses at them.

They were immediately hated by the establishment as a real threat to their way of life. It not only forced the NFL to recognize them and deal with them, but merge with them.

And they have been hated ever since.

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[flgreen]

The stadium was and will always be a huge mistake. I think if the Jets really want to be viewed as equal to the Giants there would need to be some major marketing changes of the team made. Stadium in NY, new log and uniform and winning success. I think we may have start on the winning with Bowles and Mac.

Marketing and new uniforms aren't going to do a thing for the Jets image. Win 2 Super Bowls in a short stretch of years, they'll get all the respect in NY they could ask for.

 

[SackExchange]

Two words. Rex Ryan. When we had a HC like Parcells we were respected. But a loud mouth Rex Ryan would make any team not like you. Once Bowles and Mac get their hands fully in this team , you will see a change of demeanor around the league.

It existed before Rex. When Herm was around, he talked too much to the media. When it was Mangini, he talked too little.

There has always been an anti-Jets agenda, at least as far back as I can remember.

 

[SackExchange]

check this out - not that CBS power rankings mean much - but compare the headline to the actual movement in the rankings. No love.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer...gs-redskins-steelers-falcons-are-moving-on-up

That is hilarious.

The Jets moved from 22 to 9, up 13 spots. The Skins moved from 28 to 15, also up 13 spots.

Meanwhile, the Falcons moved up 8 spots and the Steelers moved up 5. The Panthers, who are also mentioned in the piece as moving up, went up 9 spots.

Headline: "NFL Power Rankings: Redskins, Steelers, Falcons are moving on up"

Article:

"Making the biggest jump this week? The Redskins, who could be 2-0 after hanging with the Dolphins and then pushing around the Rams in a big Week 2 win."

"Also on the rise are the Steelers, Falcons and Panthers. It's still early, but so far those three have impressed."



And you can't make the argument he didn't factor in the Jets/Colts MNF game, because the article also says this:

"The teams falling fast? The Colts are down from 15 last week to 21 this week, while the Dolphins and Rams also take a dive."

So, basically, the Jets moved up 13 spots, same as the Redskins, and don't even merit a mention, while three teams that moved up fewer spots get lauded.

 

[Savage69]

Why?
Its simple. The Jets were the iconoclasts. They were the upstart team from that upstart league. While the NFL was old, and stodgy, playing and living fat, rich and conservatively, the Jets represented a league that was young, different and with innovative ideas, including (gasp!) different camera angles in their telecasts. They threw the ball downfield. They were fun.
And when the Jets won Super Bowl III, it upset them. I still remember the look on Pete Rozelle's face in the post game locker room when Joe Namath said "Welcome to the American Football League". It was the best possible response to all the players, fans and writers who had looked down their noses at them.

They were immediately hated by the establishment as a real threat to their way of life. It not only forced the NFL to recognize them and deal with them, but merge with them.

And they have been hated ever since.

Later

Congrats your the only one that got it right.. The Giants owner Wellington Mara said he would prove the Jets bowl win was a fluke and kill them in preseason... He was wrong, he also called the AFL a Mickey Mouse league.. http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/f...gural-battle-bragging-rights-article-1.995230

 

[NewMFS62]

Thanks for the link.

I won't even pay money to see a movie that has Rooney Mara (Wellington's granddaughter) in it.

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[Seaver41]

if problems start at the top then all you have to do is look at ownership over the years to see why the dysfunction. They haven't had a true football person in charge of the whole operation. the owners have had little to no clue and as a result have had uneven hirings over the years. Leon Hess finally got desperate and brought in Parcells. Once Leon was gone and Woody took over, it Parcells leaving and that left Woody on an island. He hasn't had a good hire record over the years - by that I mean football people running the team outside of the coaches. They still don't have good football people up top - they had to go outside for consultants to find the current GM/HC. All we can hope now is that this tandem produces becasue if left to ownership/front office to make the choices, we're screwed.

In short - the lack of strong ownership leads to inconsistency of results. Woody still needs to put better people in the executive roles to achieve longterm success.

 

[NewMFS62]

if problems start at the top then all you have to do is look at ownership over the years to see why the dysfunction. They haven't had a true football person in charge of the whole operation. the owners have had little to no clue and as a result have had uneven hirings over the years.

Even that is an example of how the Jets were still hated by the high powers of the NFL (especially Rozelle) even after the merger. Both New York teams went to Rozelle to ask if he could recommend someone to run their teams.
We got Jim Kensil, yielding precisely nada.
The other guys got George Young - and a Super Bowl caliber organization for many years.

Just another example of why we feel this way in this thread.

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[the Claw]

Outside of the NY area, most people are only aware of the recent history of the team. Considering there weren't many great moments, the national sports media grabbed the bad and comical stuff. No one remembers the b2b afc championship games. They remember the butt fumble and "can't wait."

 

[mykcuz]

if problems start at the top then all you have to do is look at ownership over the years to see why the dysfunction. They haven't had a true football person in charge of the whole operation. the owners have had little to no clue and as a result have had uneven hirings over the years. Leon Hess finally got desperate and brought in Parcells. Once Leon was gone and Woody took over, it Parcells leaving and that left Woody on an island. He hasn't had a good hire record over the years - by that I mean football people running the team outside of the coaches. They still don't have good football people up top - they had to go outside for consultants to find the current GM/HC. All we can hope now is that this tandem produces becasue if left to ownership/front office to make the choices, we're screwed.

In short - the lack of strong ownership leads to inconsistency of results. Woody still needs to put better people in the executive roles to achieve longterm success.

I would add that woody isn't necessarily weak, but he's not a football guy. The old football families know how to spot winners, woody is starting from scratch. One thing woody had always gotten right, is his willingness to spend on talent. Under Hess, we never would have had a guy like favre here.

Considering the other families have 70 years of experience, I think woody is doing ok.

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[NYJETSDAN16]

I would add that woody isn't necessarily weak, but he's not a football guy. The old football families know how to spot winners, woody is starting from scratch. One thing woody had always gotten right, is his willingness to spend on talent. Under Hess, we never would have had a guy like favre here.

Considering the other families have 70 years of experience, I think woody is doing ok.

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100% agreed. I feel Woody wants to win at all cost. What he did this off season truly speaks volumes on what he wants for this franchise.

 

[Johnny Unite Us]

;56484]When you move into yer older brother's basement - and LIVE THERE FOR 30+ YEARS - of course you'll get no respect.
Moving back to NY proper would be a start but with over a half-billion in debt in the new stadium that ain't gunna happen for another 30 years or more.

Not to mention, we had to send our big brother to go beat up the neighborhood bully...twice...because we couldn't take care of business ourselves.

 

[flgreen]

Not to mention, we had to send our big brother to go beat up the neighborhood bully...twice...because we couldn't take care of business ourselves.

And that's why I'm not a Giants hater

 

[HYATT™]

Not to mention, we had to send our big brother to go beat up the neighborhood bully...twice...because we couldn't take care of business ourselves.

THAT, is going to change - REAL soon.
Trust HYATT™ - it's good business. He's proven to be right a lot more often than not.

 

[Savage69]

And that's why I'm not a Giants hater

I hate the Giants worse then the Pats who were a AFL team..