Winston Wants to Play in Next Year's Super Bowl

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I have to admit that white-board segment on NFLN with Mooch was pretty darn impressive.

There's no way I could have remembered all that and played it back to Mooch with such ease.
 

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Last comment and then I will get off my soapbox. It's sad that some on this board (and other places) made comments about how dumb he is and how the only way he could have achieved success in his academics is through cheating. It's one thing to have some inside information but when you have NO F'ING CLUE at what you're talking about, and just blindly discredit someone's achievements, you are a small person.

Jameis Winston is SMART. He's probably smarter than most of us on this board. Get over it. If you don't like his knucklehead behavior then that is fine; I don't either. But to act like he's a retard because of the way he talks and (let's be real) the racial stereotypes some us have, it only shows the ignorance and lack of intellect of the accuser.

Rant over.
 

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Last comment and then I will get off my soapbox. It's sad that some on this board (and other places) made comments about how dumb he is and how the only way he could have achieved success in his academics is through cheating. It's one thing to have some inside information but when you have NO F'ING CLUE at what you're talking about, and just blindly discredit someone's achievements, you are a small person.

Jameis Winston is SMART. He's probably smarter than most of us on this board. Get over it. If you don't like his knucklehead behavior then that is fine; I don't either. But to act like he's a retard because of the way he talks and (let's be real) the racial stereotypes some us have, it only shows the ignorance and lack of intellect of the accuser.

Rant over.

You are right but most information that people have on any topic is what you learn from others. The information out there on this poor kid is not good.

Many people think he's dumb due to his actions and how he handled them. Making the comment that the girl that accused him of rape wanted it because she moaned is not very smart!!

We will soon find out soon enough if he has what it takes to be a qb. Being smart is one thing (and I have no doubt that he is) but putting it all together on the football field is something else. Right now, in my opinion, I think he'll be a star if he can keep himself out of trouble.

Can't wait for the draft!

And yes, stereotypes do play a role in everyone's thinking. That's life. It only takes one person to bring on change and that will happen soon with Jameis!!


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Last comment and then I will get off my soapbox. It's sad that some on this board (and other places) made comments about how dumb he is and how the only way he could have achieved success in his academics is through cheating. It's one thing to have some inside information but when you have NO F'ING CLUE at what you're talking about, and just blindly discredit someone's achievements, you are a small person.

Jameis Winston is SMART. He's probably smarter than most of us on this board. Get over it. If you don't like his knucklehead behavior then that is fine; I don't either. But to act like he's a retard because of the way he talks and (let's be real) the racial stereotypes some us have, it only shows the ignorance and lack of intellect of the accuser.

Rant over.
Agreed 1000%. I wonder if all these haters, nah sayers and assuming without facts discreditors were saying the same things about Johnny Manziel last year or Ryan Leaf or Dan Marino when they came out. I'm guessing not because they are white and the fact in that alone they gave those players the benefit of the doubt. Not saying all doubters of Winston feel this way about his intellect but I bet most do because he is a black man. Shame but it is what it is and never will change I guess!

Note: Until you can prove by facts that Winston intellect is tainted or a fraud period, you should shut the hell up and keep your racist negative comments to yourself but that won't happen either.
 

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You are right but most information that people have on any topic is what you learn from others. The information out there on this poor kid is not good.

Many people think he's dumb due to his actions and how he handled them. Making the comment that the girl that accused him of rape wanted it because she moaned is not very smart!!

We will soon find out soon enough if he has what it takes to be a qb. Being smart is one thing (and I have no doubt that he is) but putting it all together on the football field is something else. Right now, in my opinion, I think he'll be a star if he can keep himself out of trouble.

Can't wait for the draft!

And yes, stereotypes do play a role in everyone's thinking. That's life. It only takes one person to bring on change and that will happen soon with Jameis!!


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I believe you are right and it would be great if he did it as a NYJ but Tampa will draft him so I guess that ship has sailed
 

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Agreed 1000%. I wonder if all these haters, nah sayers and assuming without facts discreditors were saying the same things about Johnny Manziel last year or Ryan Leaf or Dan Marino when they came out. I'm guessing not because they are white and the fact in that alone they gave those players the benefit of the doubt. Not saying all doubters of Winston feel this way about his intellect but I bet most do because he is a black man. Shame but it is what it is and never will change I guess!

Note: Until you can prove by facts that Winston intellect is tainted or a fraud period, you should shut the hell up and keep your racist negative comments to yourself but that won't happen either.


i can't answer for marino and leaf since it was a different time and we didn't have the information then that we do now in the info age and with social media.

but hell yes, there were many, many people (myself and many from our old scout board included) who wanted absolutely, positively nothing to do with johnny mazeil BECAUSE of his partying and immaturity. i knew it was a disaster waiting to happen and wouldn't have taken him with a 7th round pick.

i'm not passing any judgment's on winston's intellect. he may be very smart. but if that's the case, he's either very immature or has made a number of dumb decisions despite his intellect.

fwiw - i wouldn't rule out taking winston like i would have on manzeil, although i do have concerns of how he will deal with the NY media spotlight
 

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i can't answer for marino and leaf since it was a different time and we didn't have the information then that we do now in the info age and with social media.

but hell yes, there were many, many people (myself and many from our old scout board included) who wanted absolutely, positively nothing to do with johnny mazeil BECAUSE of his partying and immaturity. i knew it was a disaster waiting to happen and wouldn't have taken him with a 7th round pick.

i'm not passing any judgment's on winston's intellect. he may be very smart. but if that's the case, he's either very immature or has made a number of dumb decisions despite his intellect.

fwiw - i wouldn't rule out taking winston like i would have on manzeil, although i do have concerns of how he will deal with the NY media spotlight
Now I can respect this. Your comments, thought process and reasoning here. I personally felt the same way about Manziel that I wouldn't touch him with a ten foot pole. Winston on the other hand is a whole different ball game. He is a Randy Moss, Warren Sapp, Dan Marino and Lawrence Taylor type of player. In other words, you can't deny him and not take him if he is there at #6 and he won't be ofcourse. Am I saying Winston will be a HOFer, no but what I am saying is he has the talent, mentality, leadership and mental toughness to do so. He just has to put it all together and do it but will he, no one knows.

As for his intelligence and what he did and didn't accomplish in the classroom. I would think and believe he did it all on his own. No one in the media, his teammates, coaches, family or close friends are reporting otherwise that he didn't earn his grades or he isn't as smart as advertised. So I nor should anyone else have any reason to doubt his intelligent. I believe it's all young ignorance and immaturity. Hopefully this all changes at this point and he doesn't become another Manziel, Leaf or J. Russell.
 

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Agreed 1000%. I wonder if all these haters, nah sayers and assuming without facts discreditors were saying the same things about Johnny Manziel last year or Ryan Leaf or Dan Marino when they came out. I'm guessing not because they are white and the fact in that alone they gave those players the benefit of the doubt. Not saying all doubters of Winston feel this way about his intellect but I bet most do because he is a black man. Shame but it is what it is and never will change I guess!

Note: Until you can prove by facts that Winston intellect is tainted or a fraud period, you should shut the hell up and keep your racist negative comments to yourself but that won't happen either.
Its not racial, its cultural and to a degree generational.

I'll bet you a lot of the people who assumed Winston was stupid, and I am one of them, would never say the same about Allen West, Thomas Sol or any other black person who is articulate and speaks proper english, but ebonics or hip hop vernacular or whatever you want to call it (and please don't call it black, because THAT IS an insult to blacks in my view) sounds stupid to a lot of people, particularly those of us who were not raised in a hip hop culture, and I understand slang, I'm not from the burbs, but there's a difference between the way you talk amongst friends and the way you speak in public, as your normal way of communicating, and if you talk slang in that setting, people will assume you are dumb.

Its becoming obvious that Winston is pretty smart, but he doesn't do a good job of projecting it, and thats on him.

Lastly, there's another kind of racism you and a few others seem to be ignoring, the racism of low expectations, a disease that seems to infect a lot of people who are well meaning and don't even realize that its a subtle form of racism to hold whites to a higher standard than you do blacks. If a white kid is inarticulate and speaking with a limited vocabulary, and using slang, a lot of these people who say "don't judge Jameis Winston" would waste no time judging the white kid and saying he sounds stupid, because frankly society expects more from whites, and that too is a form of racism, its a way of saying "he's black, so you can't expect him to speak proper english", and that thought is pervasive in much of America's failed schools in the inner city, thats why black kids consistently perform so much better when you can get them out of those schools and into private or religious schools where more is demanded of them.

Just something to consider.
 

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Its not racial, its cultural and to a degree generational as well.

I'll bet you a lot of the people who assumed Winston was stupid, and I am one of them, would never say the same about Allen West, Thomas Sol or any other black person who is articulate and speaks proper english, but ebonics or hip hop vernacular or whatever you want to call it (and please don't call it black, because THAT IS an insult to blacks in my view) sounds stupid to a lot of people, particularly those of us who were not raised in a hip hop culture, and I understand slang, I'm not from the burbs, but there's a difference between the way you talk amongst friends and the way you speak in public, in a public setting, and if you talk slang in that setting, people will assume you are dumb.

Its becoming obvious that Winston is pretty smart, but he doesn't do a good job of projecting it, and thats on him.

Lastly, there's another kind of racism you and a few others seem to be ignoring, the racism of low expectations, a disease that seems to infect a lot of people who are well meaning and don't even realize that its a subtle form of racism to hold whites to a higher standard than you do blacks. If a white kid is inarticulate and speaking with a limited vocabulary, and using slang, a lot of these people who say "don't judge James Winston" would waste no time judging the white kid and calling him stupid, because frankly society expects more from whites, and that too is a form of racism, its a way of saying "he's black, so you can't expect him to speak proper english", and that thought is pervasive in much of America's failed schools in the inner city, thats why black kids consistently perform so much better when you can get them out of those schools and into private schools where more is demanded of them.

Just something to consider.
Very valid points. Can't argue anything your saying but I will say this. The way Winston grow up or anyone of any race that grow up in the hood (which primarily uses the slang and ebonics talk) doesnt mean they are illiterate. Its a culture and way of life. Trust me I know, I'm a black man that grow up in the hood. Even if they didn't grow up in the hood but use slang or ebonics doesn't mean they are illiterate.

True enough, they should know to present themselves better in a more professional type of setting but most won't and don't because of their immaturity. Not because they can't or don't know how to but they want to keep it real and be themselves. Its a stupid way of thinking but hopefully they grow out of it with age and experience. I did and hopefully Winston and other intelligent youth that grow up in the hood will as well.
 

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Very valid points. Can't argue anything your saying but I will say this. The way Winston grow up or anyone of any race that grow up in the hood (which primarily uses the slang and ebonics talk) doesnt mean they are illiterate. Its a culture and way of life. Trust me I know, I'm a black man that grow up in the hood. Even if they didn't grow up in the hood but use slang or ebonics doesn't mean they are illiterate.

True enough, they should know to present themselves better in a more professional type of setting but most won't and don't because of their immaturity. Not because they can't or don't know how to but they want to keep it real and be themselves. Its a stupid way of thinking but hopefully they grow out of it with age and experience. I did and hopefully Winston and other intelligent youth that grow up in the hood will as well.
I see your point, 82, and you're right, its wrong to judge a book by its cover and I realize that culturally kids like Winston are encouraged to "keep it real", and I realize there are pressures, culturally speaking, to not act white (i.e. sellout). I get all that and I know its not easy for a kid like Winston, who is clearly much smarter than the image he portrays, to actually project it. I probably should have been more sensitive to that from the outset and not so quick to form an impression, and I thank you for opening my eyes. There's no doubt this kid is a lot smarter than I thought he was. As I said elsewhere, when I saw that segment with Mooch on the NFLN my jaw dropped. I couldn't believe how much of that information Winston retained and was able to illustrate when prompted. I know FOR SURE that I couldn't have likewise! :eek:
 

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I see your point, 82, and you're right, its wrong to judge a book by its cover and I realize that culturally kids like Winston are encouraged to "keep it real", and I realize there are pressures, culturally speaking, to not act white (i.e. sellout). I get all that and I know its not easy for a kid like Winston, who is clearly much smarter than the image he portrays, to actually project it. I probably should have been more sensitive to that from the outset and not so quick to form an impression, and I thank you for opening my eyes. There's no doubt this kid is a lot smarter than I thought he was. As I said elsewhere, when I saw that segment with Mooch on the NFLN my jaw dropped. I couldn't believe how much of that information Winston retained and was able to illustrate when prompted. I know FOR SURE that I couldn't have likewise! :eek:
Its not necessarily at point if selling out and pretending to (i.e. be white or act white) its more of them not selling out on who they are or who they think they are at that age. Hell, you have white people that grow up in the hood and are smart but talking slang and ebonics the same in any setting. They are not selling out and acting white (they are white), their just not selling out on who they are or who they think they are at that stage in their life.
 

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Slightly off topic and just throwing it out there for discussion, but doesn't Geno Smith suffer the same kind of judgments on this and other boards? I can't count the number of times I have read comments that sounded as though GS wasn't mentally capable to play the QB position. Maybe its me, but I have sensed that if he were white people would be less critical.
 

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Its not necessarily at point if selling out and pretending to (i.e. be white or act white) its more of them not selling out on who they are or who they think they are at that age. Hell, you have white people that grow up in the hood and are smart but talking slang and ebonics the same in any setting. They are not selling out and acting white (they are white), their just not selling out on who they are or who they think they are at that stage in their life.
Point taken, thats true, by no means is speaking hip-hop and exhibiting a hip-hop persona exclusive to black kids, thats why I said that in part its generational too, not just cultural, but I didn't elaborate on the generational aspect because I hate coming off as the old guy whose saying "those damn kids!", but I'm sure its no secret to you that people from my generation, black and white, tend to hate the whole hip-hop culture from top to bottom (music, speech, dress etc.)

Full Disclosure: I was in my early twenties when hip-hop really started to click, so I'm not oblivious to it, but I never understood the appeal to the music, lifestyle or persona. Certainly not now in my early 50's, but I didn't even get it in my early 20's. I was like, okay, so let me get this straight, the new thing (musically) is talking instead of singing, F the harmonies too, our pants hanging off our ass like we just got out of Rikers Island and we're living at the Ferry Terminal, and speaking incoherent broken english laced with slangs that you need a whole new dictionary to comprehend?
Okay, that sounds great too me, where do I sign up?!?! :waving-white-flag:

On second thought, I think I'll just stick with what I already know, and notice the kick-ass bass from muh-man James Jamerson of the legendary Funk Brothers :)

 

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Slightly off topic and just throwing it out there for discussion, but doesn't Geno Smith suffer the same kind of judgments on this and other boards? I can't count the number of times I have read comments that sounded as though GS wasn't mentally capable to play the QB position. Maybe its me, but I have sensed that if he were white people would be less critical.
My point exactly although Geno hasn't done much so far to help himself. Plus Winston I believe is light years ahead in Geno as far as just being a better and more developed QB coming out of college. The transition for Winston will be ALOT easier then it is with Geno. Will Geno ever turn out to being great or very good at least? Well now is as good as time as any to find out. Third year with a new regime and better coaching staff, especially at QB. If it doesn't work this year or at least start to work this year then it won't happen period.
 

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Slightly off topic and just throwing it out there for discussion, but doesn't Geno Smith suffer the same kind of judgments on this and other boards? I can't count the number of times I have read comments that sounded as though GS wasn't mentally capable to play the QB position. Maybe its me, but I have sensed that if he were white people would be less critical.
Honestly, at the other board where I post I've been exceedingly complimentary of Geno insofar as his intelligence and the way he carries himself from day one. I've also been complimentary of his arm talent and overall skill set as a QB. Again, full disclosure, part of my aversion to drafting Winston or Mariota is that I'm still not ready to give up on Geno Smith, which definitely places me in the minority and I'm well aware of that. I'm not blind, I've seen all of the inexplicable INT's and bonehead decisions, but I'm of the mindset that QB's generally need some time to develop and two years is too soon for me to cash in my chips on a player who has as much physical talent as Geno Smith, also taking into account that he seems to be a good kid who works hard and wants it.

That said, am I as high on Geno as I once was, of course not, I can't ignore the alarming trends, I'm just not ready to say "its over and its time to start grooming another young QB all over again", not with the #6 Pick, not unless we're talking about Andrew Luck, otherwise I don't mind drafting another QB to groom a little bit later, someone like Petty, but if we draft a QB at #6 thats essentially saying the Geno Smith experience is over and we're committed to starting from scratch with Winston or Mariota. Certainly the people who make that argument have the much stronger argument than me at this point, but I'm not ready to go there yet, unless I thought Winston or Mariota were elite QB prospects.
 

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Point taken, thats true, by no means is speaking hip-hop and exhibiting a hip-hop persona exclusive to black kids, thats why I said that in part its generational too, not just cultural, but I didn't elaborate on the generational aspect because I hate coming off as the old guy whose saying "those damn kids!", but I'm sure its no secret to you that people from my generation, black and white, tend to hate the whole hip-hop culture from top to bottom (music, speech, dress etc.)

Full Disclosure: I was in my early twenties when hip-hop really started to click, so I'm not oblivious to it, but I never understood the appeal to the music, lifestyle or persona. Certainly not now in my early 50's, but I didn't even get it in my early 20's. I was like, okay, so let me get this straight, the new thing (musically) is talking instead of singing, F the harmonies too, our pants hanging off our ass like we just got out of Rikers Island and we're living at the Ferry Terminal, and speaking incoherent broken english laced with slangs that you need a whole new dictionary to comprehend?
Okay, that sounds great too me, where do I sign up?!?! :waving-white-flag:

On second thought, I think I'll just stick with what I already know, and notice the kick-ass bass from muh-man James Jamerson of the legendary Funk Brothers :)


I'm in my mid-40's so I have a good idea of where your coming from. I grow up where and when the hip hop era started in NYC during the 80's. I was in my early teens or a little younger so hip hop is my culture and generation. No I don't listen to it as much or at all really but when I'm in the mood, I listen to hip hop music from my era to what is playing now. I don't like a lot or understand some of the clothes they where or how they speak now but I get where they are coming from. This is their generation and its what they identify with.

I will admit that most of the hip hop that is made now I don't understand or like but there are artist I truly do love to listen to like Rick Ross (especially), Wale, Eminem (especially), Drake (especially), 2 chainz, Kanye West (especially), T.I., J-cole and a few others. You also have the greats that are still going like Jay-Z, Nas, Busta Rhymes, Snoop Dogg, Tribe called Quest, Method man and two of the greatest to ever do it (Biggie and 2-pac). These all are names you may not be familiar with but you get my point, I still am apart of the hip hop era. Point being, every generation has its identity and hip hip was and is the 80's until now pretty much.
 

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I'm in my mid-40's so I have a good idea of where your coming from. I grow up where and when the hip hop era started in NYC during the 80's. I was in my early teens or a little younger so hip hop is my culture and generation. No I don't listen to it as much or at all really but when I'm in the mood, I listen to hip hop music from my era to what is playing now. I don't like a lot or understand some of the clothes they where or how they speak now but I get where they are coming from. This is their generation and its what they identify with.

I will admit that most of the hip hop that is made now I don't understand or like but there are artist I truly do love to listen to like Rick Ross (especially), Wale, Eminem (especially), Drake (especially), 2 chainz, Kanye West (especially), T.I., J-cole and a few others. You also have the greats that are still going like Jay-Z, Nas, Busta Rhymes, Snoop Dogg, Tribe called Quest, Method man and two of the greatest to ever do it (Biggie and 2-pac). These all are names you may not be familiar with but you get my point, I still am apart of the hip hop era. Point being, every generation has its identity and hip hip was and is the 80's until now pretty much.
Oh there's no doubt it took over music in the 80's, much to my dismay.

Wanna hear a funny story about that?

It was right around that time when hip-hop was really making its move and we were going up to the Hamptons for the summer, a lot of us chipped in on a summer house rental, dudes ranging anywhere from 18 to 28 and I was somewhere in the middle. So its Friday night and me and my friend are ready to drive up to the house, and this one younger kid was in on the rental so we let him drive up with us, so he says if we stop at his pad before we get going he'll get some mixed tapes he made for the ride, and he was a DJ so we just assumed he had the jams, so we stopped at his place and he got his tapes. With that he gets in the car and we throw one of his tapes in, and its rap, and I was like, is that all you have, is it all rap or do you have something else, and he said it was pretty much all hip-hop. So I said, then no offense but do me a favor, turn right around and take that shit back in the house, cause there's no way in hell I'm listening to that noise for a 2 hour trip to the Hamptons LOL

He was like, you're kidding, right? And I was like, definitely not kidding, I thought you had some Motown or at least some good Disco, heck I'll even take some good Rock & Roll, anything but this shit. So he took his tapes back inside and we listened to my R&B collection for the whole ride, and the poor kid looked miserable, that just wasn't his thing, he was from the generation right behind mine, like you, the hip-hop generation.

You had to be there, it was funny, there's me and my friend singing and harmonizing to Barry White, Marvin Gaye, Teddy Pendergrass, EWF etc, and this kid is sitting there like, dammit, I should have hopped a ride with people my own age! lol
 

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Oh there's no doubt it took over music in the 80's, much to my dismay.

Wanna hear a funny story about that?

It was right around that time when hip-hop was really making its move and we were going up to the Hamptons for the summer, a lot of us chipped in on a summer house rental, dudes ranging anywhere from 18 to 28 and I was somewhere in the middle. So its Friday night and me and my friend are ready to drive up to the house, and this one younger kid was in on the rental so we let him drive up with us, so he says if we stop at his pad before we get going he'll get some mixed tapes he made for the ride, and he was a DJ so we just assumed he had the jams, so we stopped at his place and he got his tapes. With that he gets in the car and we throw one of his tapes in, and its rap, and I was like, is that all you have, is it all rap or do you have something else, and he said it was pretty much all hip-hop. So I said, then no offense but do me a favor, turn right around and take that shit back in the house, cause there's no way in hell I'm listening to that noise for a 2 hour trip to the Hamptons LOL

He was like, you're kidding, right? And I was like, definitely not kidding, I thought you had some Motown or at least some good Disco, heck I'll even take some good Rock & Roll, anything but this shit. So he took his tapes back inside and we listened to my R&B collection for the whole ride, and the poor kid looked miserable, that just wasn't his thing, he was from the generation right behind mine, like you, the hip-hop generation.

You had to be there, it was funny, there's me and my friend singing and harmonizing to Barry White, Marvin Gaye, Teddy Pendergrass, EWF etc, and this kid is sitting there like, dammit, I should have hopped a ride with people my own age! lol
That is a pretty funny story. Funny thing is I would have been upset myself being that hip-hop was just developing, so it was such a strong presence in all of the youths lives who listened to it and my age at the time. Even though I was very young at that time, I grow up on all the old R&B, Jazz and some of the soft rock greats also. So I would have been cool with your music but at the age and mentality I was then, it would have been a ruff ride not hearing my Das-efx, EPMD, Eric B and Rakim, L.L. Cool J, Big Daddy Kane, Public Enemy, KRS-1, NWA etc-etc… LOL!
 
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