6 weeks in - thoughts

[forevergreen]

Guess I will start:

Our D-line Stinks - We cant get to the QB and we cant stop the run.
Our LB's - are ok in coverage and below average at getting to the QB. They are horrible against the run.
Our Safeties - are above average, although I think Maye is starting to outshine adams.
Our CB's - impressed with Claiborne - Shrine looks to be his usual self - some good plays and some where you are left shaking your head.
Our O-Line - average
Our RB's - We have no power run game without Powell and even then its limited - Forte is useless except as a pass catcher and McGuire is too raw. Powell is hurt too often to be every down.
Our WR's - Robby is fast - he seems to drop the long ball 40% of the time. I also am not in lone with his height. Kearse and Kerley are sure hands - but neither are a #1. Stewart and Hansen are invisible.
Our TE's - Sefarian is easily our best player on the field right now on either side of the ball. Very impressive. Cadet looks very good as well. TE's went from weakness in 2016 to strength in 2017.
Our QB - McCown - if its less than 20 yards he is ok. His field of vision has been above average most of the time although against the pats he didnt see some wide open receivers. His long ball is mostly non-existent due to his arm. He also has a 50-50 chance of throwing behind his playmaker target which is unfortunate.

Overall the two aspects of the team that is most worrisome is the run game and the d-line. We need to be able to consistently run the football. Other than the chunks the other week, we really havent been very good rushing. The most concerning however is the d-line. Its just pathetic. It is without a doubt the weakest portion of the team. Funny since we have 2 first round picks and an expensive free agent making up the base. Add in the first rounder with Lee in the LB group and its sad that 3 first rounders cant get to a QB. Kacy Rodgers better get to work. This is supposed to be his area of specialty.

Next week we play Miami in Miami and Jay Ajayi and Cutler will show up. We better light a fire under those groups if we want to win on the road.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

We weren't very good before the season and we have found out we are probably less than average at most positions. No studs on either side of the ball. Williams could be if played in correct position. Adams might be one day. The OL needs a complete overhaul. We basically need a complete overhaul on offense as well. Hopefully the playing experience helps some of these players become serviceable. Jets are trying very hard, but they are good enough to beat some teams as long as they commit zero mistakes or play awful teams like the ones they beat.

 

[Mainejet]

Guess I will start:

Our D-line Stinks - We cant get to the QB and we cant stop the run.
Our LB's - are ok in coverage and below average at getting to the QB. They are horrible against the run.
Our Safeties - are above average, although I think Maye is starting to outshine adams.
Our CB's - impressed with Claiborne - Shrine looks to be his usual self - some good plays and some where you are left shaking your head.
Our O-Line - average
Our RB's - We have no power run game without Powell and even then its limited - Forte is useless except as a pass catcher and McGuire is too raw. Powell is hurt too often to be every down.
Our WR's - Robby is fast - he seems to drop the long ball 40% of the time. I also am not in lone with his height. Kearse and Kerley are sure hands - but neither are a #1. Stewart and Hansen are invisible.
Our TE's - Sefarian is easily our best player on the field right now on either side of the ball. Very impressive. Cadet looks very good as well. TE's went from weakness in 2016 to strength in 2017.
Our QB - McCown - if its less than 20 yards he is ok. His field of vision has been above average most of the time although against the pats he didnt see some wide open receivers. His long ball is mostly non-existent due to his arm. He also has a 50-50 chance of throwing behind his playmaker target which is unfortunate.

Overall the two aspects of the team that is most worrisome is the run game and the d-line. We need to be able to consistently run the football. Other than the chunks the other week, we really havent been very good rushing. The most concerning however is the d-line. Its just pathetic. It is without a doubt the weakest portion of the team. Funny since we have 2 first round picks and an expensive free agent making up the base. Add in the first rounder with Lee in the LB group and its sad that 3 first rounders cant get to a QB. Kacy Rodgers better get to work. This is supposed to be his area of specialty.

Next week we play Miami in Miami and Jay Ajayi and Cutler will show up. We better light a fire under those groups if we want to win on the road.

For the most part I really agree with this. Very objective and fair take of the team.

The OL I would rate as below average at best. Now, they've had some decent games, but overall there's no way this OL would be part of even a playoff team. I think it's OK given the fact that we are not going anywhere this season anyway, but this MUST improve. As they add more talent, if at this time next season they are still the same OL, I will be very disappointed.

And yes, the DL is the most disappointing thing about this team. They simple are not holding up their end of the bargain. They commit way too many penalties, they generate zero pass rush, they cannot stop the run to save their lives, and they cannot keep our smallish type linebackers clean to make plays. They are a disappointment in every facet of their jobs. What's worse is that our CS seems to be fine with it? The last two games they have lined Leonard Williams up inside to fall victim to consistent double teams. Leo would easily be generating pass rush if utilized on the outside. It's a misallocation of talent and Kacy Rogers doesn't seem to notice or care? Anyway, as a result this is a direct and poor reflection of the HC.

It's hard for me to really dump on the CS given the fact that we've won 3 more games than I thought, but this is most certainly something that could get a defensive guy turned HC fired? If defense is your specialty and your defense sucks? that leaves a LOT to be desired in your HC.

 

[Mainejet]

I also need to add that the play calling was shit yesterday. Those 3 consecutive run plays where they simply handed the ball back to the patsies when McCown's passing had been working all day? That was bullshit. That was so stupid on Morton's part? Why Toilet didn't step in after that, I will never know?

 

[SackExchange]

So for the most part, the players are pretty bad and the coaches are horrible. And that's why a team that was projected to be among the worst in league history is 3-3, and was robbed of a shot to be 4-2 against a team many people thought could go undefeated.

 

[Elias]

This shows what's wrong with our line. Mo doesn't care.

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[NCgreen12]

Did anyone hear Mike Westhoff last evening on Jets Post game. He spoke specifically about the success Leonard Williams had rushing the passer when he played left defensive end and thought he was not positioned correctly in the middle.. Mike also alluded that in his conversations with Leonard that he wanted him to tell the coach to let him play out there instead of the DT. We get very little pressure on the QB and watching Leonard he's getting double teamed mostly by the guard and center. Wonder why Bowles doesn't move him. I always thought when they had Richardson that he and Williams should be playing the ends. Never seemed to happen.

 

[SackExchange]

Did anyone hear Mike Westhoff last evening on Jets Post game. He spoke specifically about the success Leonard Williams had rushing the passer when he played left defensive end and thought he was not positioned correctly in the middle.. Mike also alluded that in his conversations with Leonard that he wanted him to tell the coach to let him play out there instead of the DT. We get very little pressure on the QB and watching Leonard he's getting double teamed mostly by the guard and center. Wonder why Bowles doesn't move him. I always thought when they had Richardson that he and Williams should be playing the ends. Never seemed to happen.

I never thought I'd say this, but it may be best to cut ties with Mo at some point, have Leonard and Ealy as your DEs, and focus on a stud NT.

I wonder how Mo's deal is structured, and if there is a point at which it would be advantageous to cut bait on the deal.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

This shows what's wrong with our line. Mo doesn't care.

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Cut his lazy ass today!! He is useless piece of garbage.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

I never thought I'd say this, but it may be best to cut ties with Mo at some point, have Leonard and Ealy as your DEs, and focus on a stud NT.

I wonder how Mo's deal is structured, and if there is a point at which it would be advantageous to cut bait on the deal.

I also think he may be the last of the locker room cancers.

 

[The Wicker Man]

It's really amazing how his production disappeared after he signed the big deal. Oh to have Snacks, Leo and Kony.

 

[mydogisajetsfan]

Guess I will start:

Our D-line Stinks - We cant get to the QB and we cant stop the run.
Our LB's - are ok in coverage and below average at getting to the QB. They are horrible against the run.
Our Safeties - are above average, although I think Maye is starting to outshine adams.
Our CB's - impressed with Claiborne - Shrine looks to be his usual self - some good plays and some where you are left shaking your head.
Our O-Line - average
Our RB's - We have no power run game without Powell and even then its limited - Forte is useless except as a pass catcher and McGuire is too raw. Powell is hurt too often to be every down.
Our WR's - Robby is fast - he seems to drop the long ball 40% of the time. I also am not in lone with his height. Kearse and Kerley are sure hands - but neither are a #1. Stewart and Hansen are invisible.
Our TE's - Sefarian is easily our best player on the field right now on either side of the ball. Very impressive. Cadet looks very good as well. TE's went from weakness in 2016 to strength in 2017.
Our QB - McCown - if its less than 20 yards he is ok. His field of vision has been above average most of the time although against the pats he didnt see some wide open receivers. His long ball is mostly non-existent due to his arm. He also has a 50-50 chance of throwing behind his playmaker target which is unfortunate.

Overall the two aspects of the team that is most worrisome is the run game and the d-line. We need to be able to consistently run the football. Other than the chunks the other week, we really havent been very good rushing. The most concerning however is the d-line. Its just pathetic. It is without a doubt the weakest portion of the team. Funny since we have 2 first round picks and an expensive free agent making up the base. Add in the first rounder with Lee in the LB group and its sad that 3 first rounders cant get to a QB. Kacy Rodgers better get to work. This is supposed to be his area of specialty.

Next week we play Miami in Miami and Jay Ajayi and Cutler will show up. We better light a fire under those groups if we want to win on the road.

Good post. What is incredible is with how little talent there is on the field they we are 3-3 and playing very hard. That is to Bowles' credit.

I don't think the OL is average at all. At crunch time they couldn't stop the Pats pass rush. I've been saying all along that Wes Johnson is not a starting caliber center and I think he is a major weak link. He is a big reason they couldn't get first downs on 2nd and 1 and 3rd and one. He needs to be replaced and a long-term fix at LT needs to be found. Ryan Jensen is a free agent to be center from the Ravens to keep an eye one. This is a major need in the off-season.

Let's be honest, the wide receivers need a significant upgrade. There is some young talent but a #1, big receiver is needed. Alshon Jeffrey as a free agent? A high round pick is a possibility as well. OLB is in desperate need of new blood. Tahir Whitehead from the Lions? Another high round pick may be needed. IF Claiborne stays healthy I think he deserves a second contract. Nikell Robey-Coleman may be an FA that may be worth a look. Another possibility is a high round pick. I know we're running out of them.

At 3-3 and getting a good idea of the core guys we have going forward is the best we could have hoped for in 2017. Bowles needs to keep these guys playing at this level and Mac needs another haul in the draft, free agents and UDFA.

 

[forevergreen]

To be fair I think you are all right about the o-line...they are below average. The only reason I said they were average is because I started comparing them to the giants and pats in my head. I figure they arent terrible as those o-lines so I gave them a few points. Might of given them a few too many.

Moe needs to go. I wish they would just cut him now - if they keep playing him we could be on the hook for next years salary if he gets injured enough.

One more note, Kacy Rodgers is the only coach Bowles stuck with this year. I thought Kacy should of been fired last year when our d-line was garbage and he was the d-line coach. Its clear him and Moe are the consistent problem.

 

[mydogisajetsfan]

The Pats O-line gave up 0 sacks yesterday we gave up 4. Mo needs to be gone before his salary becomes guaranteed. Per overthgcap.com we are currently $65mm under the cap next year and $18mm under this year which will carry over. I expect Skrine, Mo, Forte, Ijalana and Devin Smith to be off the books next season which brings the cap to over $100mm. Spend wisely Mac, spend wisely.

 

[soj]

I never thought I'd say this, but it may be best to cut ties with Mo at some point, have Leonard and Ealy as your DEs, and focus on a stud NT.

I wonder how Mo's deal is structured, and if there is a point at which it would be advantageous to cut bait on the deal.

Like you Sack, I thought signing him was the right move when we let Snacks walk. Highsight is 20/20 but we should have kept snacks and let wik go...he looks shot to me...

My thought is to bench him now... here is why: In the summer of 2015, they signed him to a five-year contract with a maximum value of $86 million -- $36.75 million of which was guaranteed at signing. But Wilkerson's $16.75 million salary for next season doesn't become fully guaranteed until the third day of the league year, next March. if the Jets cut Wilkerson before that guarantee kicks in, they would create $11 million in cap space, though they'd have to eat $9 million in dead money next season.

Wilkerson's cap hit if he remains with the Jets in 2018 would be $20 million.

 

[jetgreen13]

Did anyone hear Mike Westhoff last evening on Jets Post game. He spoke specifically about the success Leonard Williams had rushing the passer when he played left defensive end and thought he was not positioned correctly in the middle.. Mike also alluded that in his conversations with Leonard that he wanted him to tell the coach to let him play out there instead of the DT. We get very little pressure on the QB and watching Leonard he's getting double teamed mostly by the guard and center. Wonder why Bowles doesn't move him. I always thought when they had Richardson that he and Williams should be playing the ends. Never seemed to happen.

i saw that part of yesterday's post game as well..

so many blind spots on the defensive side of the ball..

it would be more understandable if we had a offensive minded HC.. nope, we got what was supposed to be one of the up & coming defensive minds in the league.. go figure.....

 

[jetgreen13]

I never thought I'd say this, but it may be best to cut ties with Mo at some point, have Leonard and Ealy as your DEs, and focus on a stud NT.

I wonder how Mo's deal is structured, and if there is a point at which it would be advantageous to cut bait on the deal.

i'm guessing he gets his walking papers this coming off season..

 

[SackExchange]

Like you Sack, I thought signing him was the right move when we let Snacks walk. Highsight is 20/20 but we should have kept snacks and let wik go...he looks shot to me...

My thought is to bench him now... here is why: In the summer of 2015, they signed him to a five-year contract with a maximum value of $86 million -- $36.75 million of which was guaranteed at signing. But Wilkerson's $16.75 million salary for next season doesn't become fully guaranteed until the third day of the league year, next March. if the Jets cut Wilkerson before that guarantee kicks in, they would create $11 million in cap space, though they'd have to eat $9 million in dead money next season.

Wilkerson's cap hit if he remains with the Jets in 2018 would be $20 million.

It's a lot of dead money, but the team has the space, and it seems the franchise is committed to predominantly building through the draft. So unless Mo turns it around, he will be cut in early March.

 

[LIJETFAN]

I agree on Wilkerson. Letting Harrison go might have been the toughest FA loss we've had. It's probably time to cut bait after this season and start fresh in the draft. As far the assessment of the roster - I think this team is playing hard every week. I think the rush defense is not all on the LBs. The D-Line outside of Williams is not holding up. The LBs need to improve there, but I wouldn't put it all on them. I've seen improvement from both Lee and Jenkins in the past few games. And Davis has been having a great year so far. The secondary is playing pretty well overall. Claiborne has been very good. Adams and Maye have both been very good, and excellent overall when you consider they are rookies. Getting beat by Gronkowski happens to Eric Berry and Earl Thomas, so it's not a crime. When he's healthy, he's an All-Pro. Kony Ealy was just a great pickup. He's been terrific.

As far as the offense goes - WRs have played well, Jenkins is playing well, and the O-Line needs to improve in the run game. The running game misses Powell, but I think McGuire has a lot of potential. I think the pass protection generally has been solid, some lapses here and there...but generally solid. And I think our new coordinator is very good. It's a good offense and he makes good adjustments in game. I like how he calls a game. He's had some hiccups, but no coordinator is perfect. Overall, he's done a really good job in my opinion.

I think we all need to hand it to Bowles and Mac for getting this team to this point. They haven't won anything, but they are competing every week. They look well coached, prepared, and they give great effort (with one notable exception perhaps in Mo). They play as a team and you can see it.

And the FA moves and trades that Mac made definitely panned out. It also looks like he had an excellent draft as well, which we all knew. Hindsight being 20/20, and I said this after draft day, the Jets might regret passing on Watson. But, Adams is the real deal, and it's really hard to argue with that pick. He was a great selection. We'll see what happens next year with the QB.
I also like Christopher Johnson acting as the owner. The team just has a different feel to it. I can't put my finger on it exactly, but there's something different about them and it's a good thing.

So overall after 6 games, I think the arrow is pointing up. There's still a lot of room for improvement, but the team looks headed in the right direction.

 

[gmf1369]

Wilkerson's cap hit if he remains with the Jets in 2018 would be $20 million.

I doubt the Jets will be able to find a trade partner but one never knows with this league, but then could see this -- Jets could designate Wilkerson as a post-June 1 cut. In this case, they would have to carry his $20 million cap number until June 1 -- which wouldn't help them create cap space for free agency. But a post-June 1 designation would free up $17 million in 2018 cap space for the Jets, because the $9 million in dead money would be spread equally over 2018-20.