Todd Bowles: Josh McCown is our starter for the rest of the season

[jets82]

This shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone of us but for those that are surprised, let me say some others and I told you so. I’ve been saying this was probably or just going to happen since day one. So IMO this rebuilding-reloading season was a failure. We’re still not making the playoffs with McCown and he’s having his best year ever in the NFL. Plus we don’t get a chance to see if the younger QBs could’ve been the answer to our QB question. This was a failure all around. Icing on the fuck you Jets fans cake, which proves my case the Jets franchise is cursed is they will keep McCown next year to be our starter the entire year again. They probably won’t draft a QB period and if they do, he will be a 4th round three year developmental project bust. Because Josh McCown is the answer and our franchise QB, Jets faithful!!!

A cursed franchise and pretty much a joke. Same ole Jets!!!

 

[jets82]

Recent reports are that the OC wants to bring back McCown for next year, see what I mean. This may have already been discussed on another thread and I missed, so excuse me if I'm late on this but this is exactly what I'm talking about. They are bringing him back next and to start no doubt. If you think otherwise, you got it all wrong. Once again, signs of a cursed franchise that just can't and probably won't ever get it right.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

Recent reports are that the OC wants to bring back McCown for next year, see what I mean. This may have already been discussed on another thread and I missed, so excuse me if I'm late on this but this is exactly what I'm talking about. They are bringing him back next and to start no doubt. If you think otherwise, you got it all wrong. Once again, signs of a cursed franchise that just can't and probably won't ever get it right.

Not sure I would call it a cursed franchise, but its definitely one of the worst. If Browns get Rosen or Darnold then the Jets are basically the New Jersey Browns at that point. Jets weren't bad enough, but maybe they would have been if Petty or Hack would have started. If Petty/Hack are that bad then why are people trusting Mac to make the pick for next QB?? Adams might be a great safety one day, but I would rather have Watson everyday.

 

[jets82]

Not sure I would call it a cursed franchise, but its definitely one of the worst. If Browns get Rosen or Darnold then the Jets are basically the New Jersey Browns at that point. Jets weren't bad enough, but maybe they would have been if Petty or Hack would have started. If Petty/Hack are that bad then why are people trusting Mac to make the pick for next QB?? Adams might be a great safety one day, but I would rather have Watson everyday.

Seems like the Browns will finally draft one and with all the choices this year, he might be a excellent choice. I don’t care when or where the Jets draft one this draft. Doesn’t matter if he’s a rookie free agent signing, just get one and get the right one PLEASE!!!

 

[SackExchange]

speculative of what sack??

the kid has done nothing but run the scout team this season & never got one snap with the first team offense this last preseason in an "open" competition for the job.. when was he afforded anything close to an opportunity to show he could outplay a 38 year old JAG??

what of petty's small NFL window (as a 4th rounder) opportunity?? bowles has done everything in his power to stifle that, because of shooting for 6 or 7 wins this season with a elderly proven JAG.. because finding out if petty can or can not play in actual NFL regular season games didn't fit his agenda in a full rebuild year..

Do you really believe that both:

- Bryce Petty is a legit franchise QB, and
- Todd Bowles is refusing to let a franchise QB have a shot?

Why? What would Todd Bowles' motivation be to stifle a franchise QB?

That's basically the case you are making, and it makes zero sense. So either Bowles is looking to destroy the franchise he is coaching by not playing a potential franchise QB, or he and his coaching staff know better than either you or I do about where Petty stands right now.

 

[SackExchange]

If we dump Bowles after this season the ridicule would be deserved. I have been anti Bowles since 2015. I think we overachieved. Got a ton of breaks and that Bowle's coached terribly in that 10 win season. Last year I thought he should have been fired when he lost the locker room. He was as complacent in the Fitz disaster as the locker room cancers we finally cut , announcing "Fitz is our starter" when he wasn't even under contract.
This season, as much as I hate to say it, Bowles has done a very good job. He assembled a good staff , has the team playing hard and the players seem to love him. I think he is back next year with the possibility of him even getting a contract extension. Hopefully that extension doesn't come until next year, mid season if the team continues to develop and improve upon this season....

I can appreciate this because it shows an open mind and a willingness to change one's position about a coach or player based on evidence. You were down on Bowles, and with the job he's done this year, you are no longer down on him. I respect that a lot more than if you were unwilling to move on your opinion in spite of any evidence presented.

 

[TonyFtLaud]

I can appreciate this because it shows an open mind and a willingness to change one's position about a coach or player based on evidence. You were down on Bowles, and with the job he's done this year, you are no longer down on him. I respect that a lot more than if you were unwilling to move on your opinion in spite of any evidence presented.

I'd rather be wrong and admit it and have a Jet coach or player succeed than hope they fail so I can say I was right.

 

[LIJETFAN]

Agree with Sack and good for you TonyFtLaud for looking at this objectively. IMO, Bowles set the tone this offseason by changing up his coaching staff. That was first. I think the staff he has now is quite good and they will get better. And Mac & Bowles made some very smart personnel moves. As far as McCown is concerned, he's been great on the field and off. He's helping to build the kind of culture that Bowles wants. Team chemistry and culture makes a huge difference. It's why the Jets have been in every game this year except the Raiders game, which the team interestingly cites as the turning point in the second half. I think bringing McCown back makes a lot of sense. He's a great locker room guy, he's mastered this offensive system, and he's a willing mentor. Every team needs a veteran like that on their roster. If he wins the starting job again next year, so be it. If he doesn't, he'll be a terrific backup and mentor.

Finally, the reason why Petty hasn't started is because he's had trouble mastering an NFL system, reading coverages etc. Hackenberg's issues are a little different - his issues seem to be accuracy and decision-making. From what very little I've seen of him, he appears to hesitate, which in the NFL is a problem because players are so fast. If he ever puts all together and figures it out, with his physical skills, he could be a very good player. A lot of ifs..but certainly not impossible. Look at it this way, McCown is playing the best football of his career after what 15 years in the league? Hackenberg and Petty might both get their shots one day. It will be interesting to see what happens in the offseason.

 

[jetgreen13]

Do you really believe that both:

- Bryce Petty is a legit franchise QB, and
- Todd Bowles is refusing to let a franchise QB have a shot?

Why? What would Todd Bowles' motivation be to stifle a franchise QB?

That's basically the case you are making, and it makes zero sense. So either Bowles is looking to destroy the franchise he is coaching by not playing a potential franchise QB, or he and his coaching staff know better than either you or I do about where Petty stands right now.

wait wut?? so now the only way i can justify my position in your eyes, is to say i believe petty is a franchise QB??

fine, you win.. enjoy bowles' extension, mccown's resigning & him starting every game in '18, regardless of who we draft at QB in april.. i don't feel like running around in a circle with you tonight..

 

[gmf1369]

of the three quarterbacks entering this season, only Josh McCown had more grasp into what the offensive game plan was being he is a JAG and has been around the block over and over again... but it is his chemistry with QB Coach Bates and RB Matt Forte, that he was and is the favorite this year to be the starter...

Petty is entering his second offensive coordinator and game plan, he has made a huge leap from his second to third year but learning a brand new scheme while he was trying to work on his mechanics, footwork and pre recognition of defensive fronts is a lot for any young signal caller to handle with little to no experience under his belt... Is Petty a franchise, no one knows yet but because nowadays QBs are playing well into their late 30s he has plenty of time to establish himself...

As for Hackenberg, they knew when they drafted him that he was a project with immense potential... We seen what he can do when he has confidence in his players, himself and the scheme... When Christian has time in the pocket he can step into the throw and place it perfectly down field to where a player like RA can go get it... I am not endorsing him or Petty just stating there is no rush to put them into the fire when the supporting cast is still working on becoming a proven entity on this team...

If we bring back McCown so be it, he is a good locker room presence and he does everything to teach and be a leader on and off the field... We may draft someone but we don't need to mortgage everything to go after a Baker Mayfield or Josh Allen who are likely to the top two in this year's draft... Most expect Darnold and Rosen will return to school...

 

[Namath12]

I haven't personally spoken to Josh Rosen, but I would be shocked if he returned to UCLA. First of all, he has an excellent chance to be the first overall pick. Secondly, Chip Kelly will be the new coach at UCLA. Why would Rosen choose to spend next year learning a new offense and then have to pick up another new offense in his rookie year in the NFL?

 

[gmf1369]

I haven't personally spoken to Josh Rosen, but I would be shocked if he returned to UCLA. First of all, he has an excellent chance to be the first overall pick. Secondly, Chip Kelly will be the new coach at UCLA. Why would Rosen choose to spend next year learning a new offense and then have to pick up another new offense in his rookie year in the NFL?

again a chance to win the Heisman is more than enough to a competitor to return... yes he wants to play in the NFL but a chance at awards and cementing his legacy with a coach that has a track record with turning QBs into success stories is more than enough...

 

[Namath12]

We'll have to agree to disagree. When you return for the extra year, you risk millions of dollars in case of injury. Plus, I have never once heard a player say that he's returning ti try to win the Heisman. To hopefully win a national championship? Yes. To win the Heisman? Absolutely not. As for Chip Kelly, what is his track record with NFL QBs? How did he do with the Eagles? Where is his story of turning a bust into a star, as McVay has done with Jared Goff? If anything, I believe that the hiring of Kelly, who runs a radically different system, would be an incentive for Rosen to leave, not stay.

 

[gmf1369]

We'll have to agree to disagree. When you return for the extra year, you risk millions of dollars in case of injury. Plus, I have never once heard a player say that he's returning ti try to win the Heisman. To hopefully win a national championship? Yes. To win the Heisman? Absolutely not. As for Chip Kelly, what is his track record with NFL QBs? How did he do with the Eagles? Where is his story of turning a bust into a star, as McVay has done with Jared Goff? If anything, I believe that the hiring of Kelly, who runs a radically different system, would be an incentive for Rosen to leave, not stay.

the risk of millions is irrelevant just because of the rookie wage scale... yea so what first four years mean nothing, if he is going to be that good the kid will be paid one way or another, the endorsements will come in as well regardless where he is drafted...

 

[gmf1369]

Rosen comes from a “wealthy, affluent, educated family” per his own words in an interview with Sports Illustrated in 2016. A former tennis prodigy, Rosen is something of a renaissance man that has a vast array of interests outside of football. One scout thinks he will “get bored of football” and focus on “changing the world” within three or four years within the NFL lifestyle.

Josh Rosen is cerebral, and a bit of a maverick – neither of which quality plays well within a league becoming more rigid, celebrating flexibility and personality-less and less with each coming season. Rosen has opined on many topics, treading willfully in controversial waters and would be loathed to strap on the pads under the guise of an opinion that is not fully his.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

McCown broke his hand/wrist. Finally we can move on.

 

[jets82]

McCown broke his hand/wrist. Finally we can move on.

Hate to be excited about a player getting injured but this appears to be the only way the Jets would have moved forward in the right direction. Which is a shame in itself IMO. So I have to agree but we truly haven’t moved on yet. We’ve moved on when we draft a first round QB and he’s the right one. To hopefully start year one-game one. Might take a new HC, GM and scouting team for that to happen. Hopefully we atleast get a chance to see that Petty and Hack aren’t the guys so we know where to go from there.

 

[Mainejet]

McCown broke his hand/wrist. Finally we can move on.

So where will we be picking? Does anyone know? Now, that McCown is most likely out for the season, I figure our remaining games are all losses? So we finish 5-11 and the fans get to see what's on the roster. My belief is that both Petty and Hack will never be the future. Part of me thinks Petty might be good depth? But Hack IMO is as bad as Ryan Leaf. There's nothing there.

 

[Old#15]

So where will we be picking? Does anyone know? Now, that McCown is most likely out for the season, I figure our remaining games are all losses? So we finish 5-11 and the fans get to see what's on the roster. My belief is that both Petty and Hack will never be the future. Part of me thinks Petty might be good depth? But Hack IMO is as bad as Ryan Leaf. There's nothing there.

You might very well be right, and the sad thing is in a good-great year for OL in the draft, we will be picking a QB that will get killed behind what we currently have on the OL. I'm hoping that the QB we want is in a spot that we don't have to trade up for, thus allowing us to spend #2s on OL.

 

[Elias]

So where will we be picking? Does anyone know? Now, that McCown is most likely out for the season, I figure our remaining games are all losses? So we finish 5-11 and the fans get to see what's on the roster. My belief is that both Petty and Hack will never be the future. Part of me thinks Petty might be good depth? But Hack IMO is as bad as Ryan Leaf. There's nothing there.

Right now we are picking 10th.