Start Bridgewater or Darnold?

[TonyFtLaud]

You are certainly correct that Teddy's value would go up if another team loses their starter and didn't have a quality back up. They might make him their starter or he might just become their back up. No way to know how that would work out. Unless he becomes our starter and we give him a new deal to keep him here after the seasons over we are going to lose him to free agency and get nothing in return. Like I said I like Teddy and if he became our starter I am good with that and let Darnold sit behind him for awhile and continue to compete for the starting job. If he doesn't become our starter with a new contract we will lose him. So I guess what I'm saying is that if we are going to lose him, do it now, when he can very possibly be the means of us acquiring a quality edge rusher or left tackle which we all know are dire needs. Another thing to consider is how many other ( on the bubble ) QBs might become available via trade after the season starts like Manning for instance or Foles. I'm just trying to look at the whole picture and see what could be done to improve the team. I think Teddy, if he stays healthy, could take a team to the super bowl, but I also think with some experience Darnold could do the same. It's an unusual situation for the Jets to be in. It will interesting to see how they handle it.

Manning is not becoming available . They have chosen to ride out the future with him. Bad decision but done. Foles , as I have stated before , is the primary competition to Teddy in a trade scenario. That's been the case since we signed Teddy. Fortunately Foles has not looked very good and was injured. Ironically, if Foles injury lingers, and Went has any setback at all, even minor, the Eagles may actually be the team that comes calling on Teddy. I can see a third and an o lineman being offered.
I have to agree, it's definitely interesting to see how it is handled. Nice to have viable options at QB vs Geno,Petty,Hack....
Hopefully it's a long time before we are looking at starting a QB who is damn near in our age bracket.

 

[TonyFtLaud]

Can someone explain to me why TBs trade value is only a third rounder? How come that bum Sam Bradford was worth more when Eagles traded him.
Eagles got a 1st and conditional 4th because Minnesota lost their starting QB. Teddy's value will go up comparably if another team looses their starter.

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

Can someone explain to me why TBs trade value is only a third rounder? How come that bum Sam Bradford was worth more when Eagles traded him.
Eagles got a 1st and conditional 4th because Minnesota lost their starting QB. Teddy's value will go up comparably if another team looses their starter.

I’ve got to think that most, if not every team is committed to a QB at this point. A QB who’s been working within their own systems for a while, developed chemistry with receivers, etc. I agree that a situation of desperation will change things regarding TB. If a team loses their starter for an extended amount of time, the compensation will be greater.

 

[jets82]

Can someone explain to me why TBs trade value is only a third rounder? How come that bum Sam Bradford was worth more when Eagles traded him.
Eagles got a 1st and conditional 4th because Minnesota lost their starting QB. Teddy's value will go up comparably if another team looses their starter.

Clearly TB’s ceiling is higher then Bradford so he’ll definitely be a higher value. Minnesota set the standard on that when that trade went down. So if a contending team ESPECIALLY loses a starter before and at the beginning of the season, they’ll come calling and the Jets better ask for nothing less.

 

[butterscotch]

Bridgewater will only delay the “on the job training” of the QB who will be here for the next 12-15 years. The Jets aren’t winning anything in 2018. So why keep Bridgewater? So we can lose him for no compensation in the offseason?

There are more reasons to trade TB than to keep him.

Farve will only delay the “on the job training” of the QB (sancheZ) who will be here for the next 12-15 years. The Jets aren’t winning anything in 2009. So why keep Farve?


Maybe Bridgewater will be here for ten to 12 years.....let the best man win........ If the D man fine but lets see him show it

 

[TonyFtLaud]

Clearly TB’s ceiling is higher then Bradford so he’ll definitely be a higher value. Minnesota set the standard on that when that trade went down. So if a contending team ESPECIALLY loses a starter before and at the beginning of the season, they’ll come calling and the Jets better ask for nothing less.

Not really. Teddy was really a game manager behind AP. His best season with a good knee was 14 TDs to 9 interceptions.
Bradford's was 20 TDs to 5 interceptions. Bradford was a good QB with a history of injuries. Teddy was a young QB with potential who nearly lost his leg. If a team that has a real chance to compete this year loses its starter. Teddy could fetch a 1, maybe. Thinking a 1and conditional 4 plus is a bit much.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

Cash in on Teddy B if possible. Darnold has way more upside than Teddy B. 14 TD's for two years that he has played is not impressive at all. He is a pretty limited QB without much upside.

 

[TonyFtLaud]

Love Teddy, his story, his arm, his smarts. Perhaps his injury has made him a more intelligent QB like Aaron Rodgers, only take off if the defense leaves you a lane and then get down/OOB rather than challenging a LB/safety. If we knew what we know now I would have not traded up, taken the guard with the #1, and used the two #2s to fill some of the other holes. But we bet the farm on Darnold and it is what it is, we have to ride it to its logical conclusion. Which means trading Teddy (but NOT in our Division) and going with McCown/Darnold.

Bridgwater/Darnold makes no sense because Teddy could start for the next ten years in which case the Darnold pick will be totally wasted.

Teddy has always been a smart QB. Pocket passer. Never a dual threat running QB.
At the time signing Teddy and then trading up was the right move. Teddy's knee was a big question mark, there was no way to know if it would hold up or not.Still not sure how well it holds up to a full season. It looked fine last season between Oct and Dec before swelling became an issue.
As far as Teddy /Darnold, if Teddy becomes a 10 year starter , Darnold would bring a huge return down the line. Jimmy G could have brought NE the first pick and first pick in round 2 but they turned it down and he didn't have near the hype of Darnold. It's a moot point though as the Jets are going to go with Darnold .He's getting the majority of the first team snaps.
Hopefully Teddy brings something in return and that can be used for the O line.

 

[TonyFtLaud]

Cash in on Teddy B if possible. Darnold has way more upside than Teddy B. 14 TD's for two years that he has played is not impressive at all. He is a pretty limited QB without much upside.

It's actually 28 TDs for 2 years, 14 per season, but he was used as a game manager in a very conservative system, run first with Peterson.
Comparing their college stats Teddy edges him out and looking at completion pct,
TD-interception , QBR and progression from year one to year 2. Teddy has as much upside as Darnold , in fact more. Remember, Darnold has extremely limited experience in the game.played a few games in HS. Total of 20 games lifetime. There is alot for him to learn. Watching him and Teddy on the field is night and day.
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USC	Pac-12	FR	QB	13	246	366	67.2	3086	8.4	9.0	31	9	161.1
USC	Pac-12	SO	QB	14	303	480	63.1	4143	8.6	8.5	26	13	148.1

Sam Passing
Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate
* 2016
* 2017

Louisville	Big East	SO	QB	13	287	419	68.5	3718	8.9	9.3	27	8	160.5
Louisville	American	JR	QB	13	303	427	71.0	3970	9.3	10.3	31	4	171.1

Teddy Passing
Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate
* 2012
* 2013

Left first season of both off as Sam did not get on the field and didn't want to skew the results in favor of Teddy.

 

[cheaterhater]

Dilemma-dilemma, Jets faithful! It’s been two preseason games and both these guys look good. Obviously Bridgewater looks better and has all the looks of being a franchise guy. He’s only 25 years old and he wants to play, he wants to start. He wants to be a cornerstone of the franchise and rightfully so. Darnold on the other hand is the golden boy rookie first round pick and it looks like he’s ready to go also. I say it once again that no he’s not as ready as Bridgewater but he’s close enough to keep your competitive and still learn while he’s on the field.

So what do the Jets do, do they start Darnold and sit Bridgewater until a trade offer comes in? Or do they start Bridgewater and let the chips fall where they may as far as that is concerned? Problem you have with that is if Bridgewater plays good enough then you may not want to get rid of him. Because he could be that much of an assest. Or are you taking a chance on him getting injured again or his play declining and then nobody wanting to trade for him or offer as much for him. So what do the Jets do?

I think that their 3rd preseason game will tell a whole lot. They still have the rest of the preseason and practices to go to make a decision, but for right now it seems pretty clear that both of these quarterbacks should be on the field. This is the dilemma that the Jets have never had and will probably never have it again. Knowing our luck. So what do Jets do in the situation, I ask you? Seems pretty obvious to me that McCown doesn’t need to be on the field and he can just play mentor and prepare for his future coaching career.

First, let me say, great post. I had planned to pose this question when I got home from vacation, which was last might so you beat me to it. You pretty much covered everything that I planned on saying.

Driving home disney, I listened to franseca for a while. He said to start Darnold. Then I listened to ESPN from NY and Han Solo said to start Teddy.

After reading all the posts here, I here a lot of very good points(many different) being made from a lot of people. I'll make some comments on them after this post.

So here's my thoughts. If we plan to trade Bridgewater, then we have until the trade deadline in October? I believe, to do so. So there is no hurry. I would keep him as long as possible in hopes that a starter goes down and we can get a 1st round pick, at least, for him. If we do that, then do we start him or sit him? If we start him and he gets hurt, then we are screwed. If we start him and he keeps winning, then can we really trade him? Dilemma

just because we spent most of our draft on Darnold do we have to start him even if we have a better QB on the roster? I say no. If Teddy looks great we can sign him for a longer contract while Sam is still on his rookie deal and he will still be traceable later as long as we don't sign him for too much.

Let's look at 2 other examples.

1. Luck. luck is a great QB. Could end up as one of the best, but he has a crappy team around him and a horrible oline(sound familiar) and because of this, the best he has done is gone to the playoffs and gotten killed by the cheatahs. Heck, Sanchez got to the playoffs and beat the Cheatahs. So who's better off. Then Luck also got hurt and sat out a year. Behind our oline, can anyone see the same thing happening to either Darnold or Teddy?

2. Garrapollo. He sat behind brady for a number of years. brady kept winning and Garop, kept sitting.. now he is on the 9ers and for 5 games at least looked pretty good. If we signed Teddy to a longer deal and he played great while Sam sat and learned , is this really a bad thing?

I really don't know the answer to what we should do, but I would probably let it play out as long as I could before I decided what to do if I was Mac. I'd probably start Teddy as long as he continues to play the best. This was supposed to be a QB competition where the best man wins right? Then I'd sit around and wait for a trade offer. If none came and Teddy looked like a hero I might try and sign him to a decent sized, not incredibly long deal and see what happens

 

[cheaterhater]

It's actually 28 TDs for 2 years, 14 per season, but he was used as a game manager in a very conservative system, run first with Peterson.
Comparing their college stats Teddy edges him out and looking at completion pct,
TD-interception , QBR and progression from year one to year 2. Teddy has as much upside as Darnold , in fact more. Remember, Darnold has extremely limited experience in the game.played a few games in HS. Total of 20 games lifetime. There is alot for him to learn. Watching him and Teddy on the field is night and day.
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USC	Pac-12	FR	QB	13	246	366	67.2	3086	8.4	9.0	31	9	161.1
USC	Pac-12	SO	QB	14	303	480	63.1	4143	8.6	8.5	26	13	148.1

Sam Passing
Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate
* 2016
* 2017

Louisville	Big East	SO	QB	13	287	419	68.5	3718	8.9	9.3	27	8	160.5
Louisville	American	JR	QB	13	303	427	71.0	3970	9.3	10.3	31	4	171.1

Teddy Passing
Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate
* 2012
* 2013

Left first season of both off as Sam did not get on the field and didn't want to skew the results in favor of Teddy.

Yeah. I'm not sure how we can conclude that either one has a bigger up side. Put either one behind the cheatahs oline and teach them pocket presence and either one would be the next tom brady. but on the other hand behind our oline.... Teddy may be able to play better on the run but Sam hasn't looked too bad at it either. I'd give the edge to the older kid though if forced to pick

 

[cheaterhater]

Farve will only delay the “on the job training” of the QB (sancheZ) who will be here for the next 12-15 years. The Jets aren’t winning anything in 2009. So why keep Farve?


Maybe Bridgewater will be here for ten to 12 years.....let the best man win........ If the D man fine but lets see him show it

right. You just never know what will happen, so the more weapons, the better the odds

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

Farve will only delay the “on the job training” of the QB (sancheZ) who will be here for the next 12-15 years. The Jets aren’t winning anything in 2009. So why keep Farve?


Maybe Bridgewater will be here for ten to 12 years.....let the best man win........ If the D man fine but lets see him show it

I’m not quite sure I follow the logic here. Favre was brought in with a different coach and an entirely different situation in 2008. He predictably got hurt and started to suck after a strong start, and the Jets drafted Sanchez under the new coach, Rex Ryan, the following year. Favre wanted to be in Minnesota the whole time, BTW.

What does this have to do with Bridgewater and Darnold? I don’t see the correlation.

 

[cheaterhater]

Manning is not becoming available . They have chosen to ride out the future with him. Bad decision but done. Foles , as I have stated before , is the primary competition to Teddy in a trade scenario. That's been the case since we signed Teddy. Fortunately Foles has not looked very good and was injured. Ironically, if Foles injury lingers, and Went has any setback at all, even minor, the Eagles may actually be the team that comes calling on Teddy. I can see a third and an o lineman being offered.
I have to agree, it's definitely interesting to see how it is handled. Nice to have viable options at QB vs Geno,Petty,Hack....
Hopefully it's a long time before we are looking at starting a QB who is damn near in our age bracket.

Manning is 2-0 vs. cheatahs in superbowls and with a good oline and great Rb, it's not hard to imagine him winning another. I can understand them taking a chance on the proven winner rather than choosing a young , crap shoot QB who would still need a better team around him to win. Problem is, the NFC has all the good teams. If the Giants were in the AFC and they only had one team to compete with for the superbowl, might you change your view? And, you are correct. Manning will not become available

 

[cheaterhater]

This is clearly an example of a team that needs to play the best QB. We have three pretty good ones. Well two and one average or above average QB. However; there are a few issues with that. You have a 25 year old QB coming off an major injury that’s out to prove himself in a major way. If he would have never gotten hurt he wouldn’t even be on our team. He’s still the starter for the Vikings and they might have been in the SB last year without Wentz playing.

So he’s with us now but only for a year. We can’t do anything with him after that but sign him to a major deal, if I’m correct. If we keep him all year then at the end of it, he can go wherever he wants and we get nothing for him. Best believe if he stays, he’ll rightfully win the job this year and probably takes this sorry ass team to 7-9 wins with very decent stats to get paid a boat load of cash.

The other hand we have the rookie QB they invested just about everything and he appears to be ready right now to play. No he’s not at Bridgewater’s level YET but he be there soon enough. It would be different if he obviously showed he needed half of season or more. That’s too damn easy but Darnold looks pretty damn good out there. So do they hold back a rookie that can play now and help this team be competitive from game one or do they hold back the 25 year old vet who will most likely play at a all-pro level and get nothing back for him at the end of the year?

Darnold, like Andrew Luck, might get killed behind this oline. He also might take enough blindside hits to affect him for his entire career. If Teddy stays and plays great, why would we let him go? just because we drafted a QB at 3? We might be able to sign teddy to a longer deal that doesn't break the bank if no other team comes offering big deals before the trade deadline. Then again, eddy might get killed behind our oline too and have no value, or trade value. It's a tough decision. I just worry about a young QB getting blindsided too many times and then spending the rest of his career worrying about the next blindside. brady is what he is because he rarely ever, if ever, has been blind sided. You can't stand in the pocket for 5 seconds if you are worried about getting creamed. I hope to hell, next year we buy an oline, in either case

 

[cheaterhater]

Teddy's value will really go up if / when a team loses their starter. Right now , he would be a back up and no team is likely to part with a high pick for a back up on a one year deal. But we have seen how a team will pay if they lose their starter.
I'm starting to shift to the Keep Teddy camp unless that can't refuse deal comes along.
Having 2 potential FQBs is a problem the Jets should embrace. McCown will be a coach or gone next year and Teddy could very well be our starter for this year and beyond. We have to pay another QB next year , Darnold's on his rookie deal so it's not impossible that Teddy could be resigned . I'd Darnold then beats him out, he can be traded then. Can't have too many good QBs on the roster but you sure can have too few ????

I agree.

 

[cheaterhater]

Love Teddy, his story, his arm, his smarts. Perhaps his injury has made him a more intelligent QB like Aaron Rodgers, only take off if the defense leaves you a lane and then get down/OOB rather than challenging a LB/safety. If we knew what we know now I would have not traded up, taken the guard with the #1, and used the two #2s to fill some of the other holes. But we bet the farm on Darnold and it is what it is, we have to ride it to its logical conclusion. Which means trading Teddy (but NOT in our Division) and going with McCown/Darnold.

Bridgwater/Darnold makes no sense because Teddy could start for the next ten years in which case the Darnold pick will be totally wasted.

I think you and I had the draft going that way in the first place but the Jets didn't agree. I agree with you, except that, Teddy is on our team. If he is a franchise QB and we could resign him mid term, why not keep him around? Does our #3 pick have to be the franchise QB if someone else already is? Garapollo sat behind brady waiting for a long time. Sam can sit around a little too.

of course, we both know that neither will be a star until the oline is addressed.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

It's actually 28 TDs for 2 years, 14 per season, but he was used as a game manager in a very conservative system, run first with Peterson.
Comparing their college stats Teddy edges him out and looking at completion pct,
TD-interception , QBR and progression from year one to year 2. Teddy has as much upside as Darnold , in fact more. Remember, Darnold has extremely limited experience in the game.played a few games in HS. Total of 20 games lifetime. There is alot for him to learn. Watching him and Teddy on the field is night and day.
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USC	Pac-12	FR	QB	13	246	366	67.2	3086	8.4	9.0	31	9	161.1
USC	Pac-12	SO	QB	14	303	480	63.1	4143	8.6	8.5	26	13	148.1

Louisville	Big East	SO	QB	13	287	419	68.5	3718	8.9	9.3	27	8	160.5
Louisville	American	JR	QB	13	303	427	71.0	3970	9.3	10.3	31	4	171.1

Left first season of both off as Sam did not get on the field and didn't want to skew the results in favor of Teddy.

Thats what I meant 14 TD's per season which is pretty pedestrian. He may have the same upside as Darnold, but I think Teddy B is only a game manager because of his limitations not because of the scheme.

 

[TonyFtLaud]

That's sort of what I'm getting at. By the same token Darnold could win, emphasis on possibly only, 6 or 7 but would gain much valuable experience. Would we be any worse off ? Of course we might also want to consider that if we got that edge rusher we need in exchange for Teddy, what would that do for our win/loss record. I think you put it well concerning the high price we paid to get Darnold and that has to be weighing heavy on the minds of the front office. At any rate we are going to find out soon, I'm sure, how confident they are that they made the right pick.

Another benefit is Draft position. Darnold starting gets him a much needed year of experience and the difference between 5-6 wins and 7-9 wins cold be the difference between getting a blue Chip player in the draft.
i have very mixed feelings but ultimately, if Sam is the future. Then go all in on him from day 1 and then stick with him.

 

[TonyFtLaud]

Yeah. I'm not sure how we can conclude that either one has a bigger up side. Put either one behind the cheatahs oline and teach them pocket presence and either one would be the next tom brady. but on the other hand behind our oline.... Teddy may be able to play better on the run but Sam hasn't looked too bad at it either. I'd give the edge to the older kid though if forced to pick

I say Teddy has more immediate upside as he has years of experience over Darnold. The difference between the two is very evident when you see them on the field. It's not close. Teddy has 4 years in the NFL to 0 for Darnold. 3 years college experience to Darnold's 2. 4 years High School at one of the best area for NCAA and NFL talent to 4 games for Darnold plus 7-8 years of pee wee football. Numerous high profile QB camps. He can read NFL defenses, audible, look off defenders. All things Sam has yet to learn.
Teddy has never been a running QB. He has always been a pocket passer. Sam is more likely to take off and run.
Teddy has a much quicker release , is more accurate, especially deep.
Darnold has struggled with the deep ball in practice, lots of under thrown balls. This has continued through this week. That's probably why Bates has not had him pushing the ball down field in the first 2 games.
I don't think Teddy has had the opportunity to show his ceiling. He played in an ultra conservative system so at this point, both Darnold and Teddy's ceilings are unknown.