Bosa at 3 or trade down?

[maxmet]

this must depend on what is offered in a trade down. If two teams really want haskins and there is competition for the 3rd pick, who knows what jets could get

for example, would the Giants give 6 and 17 for 3? Bosa wont be there at 6, but someone excellent should be.....

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

Do not trade down. We are not winning the SB any time soon. We need a pass rusher and have needed one for 2 decades. There are possibly two there and we can get one. I'm tired of bitching about not getting to QB.

 

[NCgreen12]

I'm not sure the Jets have as many player choices (with the 3rd pick in the draft) as we think being we are now a 3-4 alignment team. What makes us that is our acquisition of Mosley who will play right next to Williamson on at least 1st and 2nd down and will make a formidable inside tandem. Neither of those players are OLB's. That will be one of our strengths. Jordan Jenkins who led the team in sacks last year and is still only 24 years old will most likely be one of the OLB's. So there's one position left in our linebacking starters which was going to be Anthony Barr's. I personally am happy he's not here because even though he did it in college rushing the passer may not be his strong suit. He's had 13 sacks in 5 years, regardless of if he played out of position.

If we look at the players available in the draft - Bosa is best suited to be a 4-3 DE. In the 3-4 alignment he could play DE but at 260 that's not ideal. He could play a hybrid OLB/DE. Not sure though that coverage is his strength. Quennin Williams will be a great 3-technique DT in a 4-3 alignment. If we were a 4-3 team I would be railing hard for him as he could be the next Donald or Watt and getting that much need inside pressure. Where would Williams fit though in the 3-4. He's not a DE or a NT and his talents would be wasted playing those positions IMO. Josh Allen, however, is a 4-3 or 3-4 OLB and is probably our best fit. He can rush the passer and also work in coverage. Hoping he's there at 3 and would be overjoyed if we get him.

Also, what if we signed a Justin Houston. I think he would somewhat platoon with Allen as they play the same position and both would probably be on the field for third down.

Just interesting how a lifelong mostly 4-3 defensive coordinator is now switching to a 3-4 and IMO kind of limits our options. I know we will not strictly play a 3-4 and there will be other alignments, however, if you draft say a Quennin Williams wouldn't you want him on the field all the time. Welcome thoughts.

 

[DonMaynard]

Personally, I think because we lost out on Barr, and seem to be staying away from signing Houston ( I could be proven wrong ) it seems as though the current thinking might be to stay at three and take the OLB , Josh Allen. I’m good with that, and it’s looking more and more as though he will be there at three.

 

[McJet]

this must depend on what is offered in a trade down. If two teams really want haskins and there is competition for the 3rd pick, who knows what jets could get

for example, would the Giants give 6 and 17 for 3? Bosa wont be there at 6, but someone excellent should be.....

Let’s look at it a different way, say the Jets had the 6 th and 17th pick, would you trade them to move up to 3 to draft Bosa?

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

I'm not sure the Jets have as many player choices (with the 3rd pick in the draft) as we think being we are now a 3-4 alignment team. What makes us that is our acquisition of Mosley who will play right next to Williamson on at least 1st and 2nd down and will make a formidable inside tandem. Neither of those players are OLB's. That will be one of our strengths. Jordan Jenkins who led the team in sacks last year and is still only 24 years old will most likely be one of the OLB's. So there's one position left in our linebacking starters which was going to be Anthony Barr's. I personally am happy he's not here because even though he did it in college rushing the passer may not be his strong suit. He's had 13 sacks in 5 years, regardless of if he played out of position.

If we look at the players available in the draft - Bosa is best suited to be a 4-3 DE. In the 3-4 alignment he could play DE but at 260 that's not ideal. He could play a hybrid OLB/DE. Not sure though that coverage is his strength. Quennin Williams will be a great 3-technique DT in a 4-3 alignment. If we were a 4-3 team I would be railing hard for him as he could be the next Donald or Watt and getting that much need inside pressure. Where would Williams fit though in the 3-4. He's not a DE or a NT and his talents would be wasted playing those positions IMO. Josh Allen, however, is a 4-3 or 3-4 OLB and is probably our best fit. He can rush the passer and also work in coverage. Hoping he's there at 3 and would be overjoyed if we get him.

Also, what if we signed a Justin Houston. I think he would somewhat platoon with Allen as they play the same position and both would probably be on the field for third down.

Just interesting how a lifelong mostly 4-3 defensive coordinator is now switching to a 3-4 and IMO kind of limits our options. I know we will not strictly play a 3-4 and there will be other alignments, however, if you draft say a Quennin Williams wouldn't you want him on the field all the time. Welcome thoughts.

Normally, I would welcome a trade down. I don’t know what the value chart says, but it seems like #6 and #17 would be a fair trade for the #3 pick. (Maybe a few late round pick swaps would need to happen). You can get two good prospects with those picks, and the Jets need to continue to build the young foundation around Darnold. You could draft a young tackle, a CB, maybe even a Center at 17. So I wouldn’t be opposed to the idea.

But this situation is lining up too perfectly for Maccagnan. We have a need for an edge rusher, and he’s going to be staring at one, assuming Murray goes #1 to AZ. I like Bosa and Allen, so whoever Gregg Williams feels that fits that need better should be the pick. That’s how I’m leaning.

On a side note, I think Q. Williams is off the board for the Jets. We’re running a 3-4 base, and have Leo, Anderson and McClendon signed. There’s your starters. Unless Gregg Williams thinks Q. Williams can play the NT position, which I doubt.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

Trading down would be awesome for a Ricky Williams draft trade. Otherwise you get a "dawg" at #3. At #6 they might get a good player and at 17 he might not be good. At #3 we get the 2 decade long wait of a pass rusher.

 

[Gramoah]

At this point all our defense needs to round it out is that guy we've been forever seeking, a quality pass rusher. there could be upgrades at a couple other defense positions that would be nice but that pass rusher would lift the defense dramatically. Let's not trade down. Lets see if we can get a couple picks by trading those players we know are going to get cut anyway.

 

[jets82]

The latest mock drafts that seem to be coming out on NFL.com, seem to have Bosa going number three now for the most part. They have Q. Williams going number two to the 49ers.

 

[jetgreen13]

question JFU.. has a school ever produced two 1st overall picks at QB in consecutive drafts??

 

[jets82]

question JFU.. has a school ever produced two 1st overall picks at QB in consecutive drafts??

Don’t think so but this will happen for Oklahoma.

 

[gastineau]

Jets needs Bossa or Allen badly since our CB Johnson is a unknown to play hard. No trade back since their are 2 serious franchise Sack men we really need. I'm not happy over GM spending a lot of money on a LB and RB. Lot of good RB's in draft every year thats cheaper. While the LB was over paid like Mikey did with Harris in over paying to keep him. All his moves are not wise just like his awful drafts outside the top 6th pick in round one. Cap hell and average team? Thats what it looks like with Mikey again as GM! Nothing different than last time around over paying for players and bad drafts. I dont think we are a playoff team this season. 3 over paid players in CB Johnson-and LB-RB eating a lot of cap. Maybe look at Colts rebuilds Mikey.

 

[Bigmoe]

question JFU.. has a school ever produced two 1st overall picks at QB in consecutive drafts??

Fantastic question
And had me thinking what college programs ever produced back to back # 1s never mind QBs
You think there many ,
nope
It happened only one time

1968 - Ron Yary, tackle, USC,
1969 - O.J. Simpson, running back, USC,

thats all I can find

As for the Same school producing back to back QBs

Norte Dame came close

1944 Angelo Bertelli
and then
1946 Frank Dancewicz [h=1][/h]

 

[LIJETFAN]

Just listened to interview with Josh Allen. I was really impressed with the kid. He seems to have a really good head on his shoulders and wants to win. I'm not aware of any character issues with the kid. Then, I watched some more film on him. Pretty explosive guy, far more so than Bosa in my opinion. He's lanky, but quick and strong. He's a better fit in the 3-4 than Bosa would be in my opinion. I have to say, if we did not trade down to get more picks, and he's there, we'd have to seriously consider picking him at 3, and I would be good with it. We've been burned on Kentucky players in the past - Dwayne Robertson (yikes), but this kid is different, much better athlete, more explosive and a better football player.

Still would love to see us move back a few spots and pick up extra picks..but if we grab him at 3, great. Parcells used to say you needed a Pass Rusher, a QB, and a franchise LT to win in the NFL. I think that is still true, and I would add a number #1 CB to that list. So if we grabbed say Allen at 3, we'd be 50% there.

 

[BlindsideD'Brick]

The Haskins situation will be a key factor in the Jets decision IMO. He looked really good throwing the ball the other day, and with Murray probably going #1, there could be an effort to move up for the next best QB. If some team wants to get past the Giants, the Jets are an ideal trading partner.

 

[jets82]

Tha Giants would be PURE idiots to let Haskins slip out their hands. Whether they had to trade up to get him or he landed in their laps at #6. Eli is shot and they need his replacement, this year not next but this year. Haskins can come in there and easily beat Eli out for the starting job. The only reason why Eli will be starting is because of pure seniority and the Giants wanting Haskins to learn from the bench a little bit. Otherwise, if Haskins couldn’t beat Eli out this year (and I truly don’t see that being an issue) but if he can’t then maybe they shouldn’t have drafted him. With the Beckham Jr trade, that will make it SO MUCH harder for Eli to make anything happen on the field. Barkley will have a harder time being effective. So they need a QB in there that can make their offense respectable this season and it ain’t Eli. Unless the Giants just want to tank for one of those other QBs coming out next year, and they think that Haskins isn’t that good, they would be pure idiots to not draft this kid.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

Tha Giants would be PURE idiots to let Haskins slip out their hands. Whether they had to trade up to get him or he landed in their laps at #6. Eli is shot and they need his replacement, this year not next but this year. Haskins can come in there and easily beat Eli out for the starting job. The only reason why Eli will be starting is because of pure seniority and the Giants wanting Haskins to learn from the bench a little bit. Otherwise, if Haskins couldn’t beat Eli out this year (and I truly don’t see that being an issue) but if he can’t then maybe they shouldn’t have drafted him. With the Beckham Jr trade, that will make it SO MUCH harder for Eli to make anything happen on the field. Barkley will have a harder time being effective. So they need a QB in there that can make their offense respectable this season and it ain’t Eli. Unless the Giants just want to tank for one of those other QBs coming out next year, and they think that Haskins isn’t that good, they would be pure idiots to not draft this kid.

Agreed, 100%, but Gettleman is one of the biggest buffoon's in the league.

You think Mac is bad? If Gettleman was our GM Jets fans would be committing suicide. :global (48):

 

[jets82]

Agreed, 100%, but Gettleman is one of the biggest buffoon's in the league.

You think Mac is bad? If Gettleman was our GM Jets fans would be committing suicide. :global (48):

Lol, true! Imagine if the Giants did do the right thing and draft Haskins. That would be a great battle between Darnold and the Jets and Haskins and the Giants over the next 15 plus years of who wins more SBs. Same would go if the Giants traded for Rosen.

 

[Namath12]

I would not trade down beyond the cutoff point of the truly elite players can be found. From what I’ve read so far, that seems to be within the top 10 picks or so. I Certainly wouldnot move back to the area of the 15th pick. I believe that Allen is whom we have been waiting for unless we get an overwhelming offer.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

I would not trade down beyond the cutoff point of the truly elite players can be found. From what I’ve read so far, that seems to be within the top 10 picks or so. I Certainly wouldnot move back to the area of the 15th pick. I believe that Allen is whom we have been waiting for unless we get an overwhelming offer.

We've needed a pass rusher for 2 decades so we would be stupid to pass on one unless a Ricky Williams deal is presented.