Rumors heating up that J. Allen is our guy!
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My biggest fear is that Bosa and Allen go 1 and 2, then we're practically forced to take Quinnen Williams.
That wouldn't be a bad thing if we drafted Q and switched to a 4-3 so Leo and Q are put in the best position to be the impact players they are, instead of neutralizing their pass rushing skills in the 3-4. If we draft Q and made that switch, I would LOVE the pick because IMO Q is the best player in the draft.
If you look at my big board you'll see that I ranked Q #1, Bosa #2 and Allen #3, but I think Bosa is a better 4-3 DE while Allen is a better 3-4 OLB.
So if we are determined to stay in a base 3-4 then despite Q being the best player in the draft, Allen or Bosa is the best player for us.
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That is worst case. If that happens, and teams have their choice of Murray or Haskins, the Jets deal.
Cimini says he has nothing concrete, but he’s hearing from multiple people that Josh Allen is the guy for the Jets. They don’t want that to be too obvious. But it just makes sense. Value: check. Need: check.
Quinnen Williams just had a meeting with the 49ers. They met at IHOP. Yes, IHOP. Apparently he chose the restaurant. The 49ers could go anywhere at #2. Williams, Bosa, or Allen. I hope they take Williams. And then the Jets will have their choice of Allen, Bosa, or a Herschel Walker type trade. Lots of high draft picks or Allen= Yahtzee!
Quinnen Williams just had a meeting with the 49ers. They met at IHOP. Yes, IHOP. Apparently he chose the restaurant. The 49ers could go anywhere at #2. Williams, Bosa, or Allen. I hope they take Williams. And then the Jets will have their choice of Allen, Bosa, or a Herschel Walker type trade. Lots of high draft picks or Allen= Yahtzee!
I agree that it's the worst case scenario, but I'm only trading back if someone makes me a good offer. If not then I am not trading back just for the sake of trading back. I would take the best player in the draft in my view, Quinnen Williams, and let Gregg Williams make the switch to the 4-3 which is really his preference anyway, he's always been a 4-3 Guy, he was just willing to stay in the 3-4 because he assumed we would sign a FA edge rusher or draft one, maybe both, but it could be neither (Thank You Anthony Barr, you sniveling little weasel).
If Allen and Bosa are gone and nobody makes a good offer, I'm taking Q and making the switch to a base 4-3.
DE Leonard Williams
DT Quinnen Williams
DT Steve McClendon
DE Henry Anderson
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WLB Darron Lee
MLB Mosley or Avery
SLB Mosley or Avery
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The same way people are reporting the Jets love Josh Allen, rumors have been flying for about a week that the 49ers LOVE Quinnen Williams, and why shouldn't they, he's the most dominant college DT I have seen in quite some time, best player in the draft in my view, blew up the combine, and they run a base 4-3 so he's a great scheme fit for the 49ers as well. It makes perfect sense that the 49ers would love him, the kid is a wrecking machine.
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So many great choices. At this point because I know they won't be trading the #3 down, I don’t care which way the Jets go just as long as it’s the right decision. I personally wouldn’t want to be the GM because if he gets this wrong it’s going to be hell on wheels for him. I think if Allen is still available you can’t go wrong but if Q. Williams or Bosa is there also then what do you do? Perfect scenario would be if both of those other guys went 1 and 2, then the choice is easy but it will never be that easy will it!
If Q and Allen are on the board and Bosa is gone, I have to take Allen because he's a better scheme fit if we want to remain in a base 3-4. IMO you are limiting Q to a degree if you stick him in the 3-4. In the 4-3 he can do his thing and really get after the QB with an inside rush. Could be the next Aaron Donald, or close, in the 4-3.
But if we want to stay in a 3-4 the most important position, the one you CANNOT have a dominant defense without, is 3-4 RUSH OLB and IMO that is Allen's ideal position.
Now if it's Bosa and Allen, I know most fans would prefer Bosa, but IMO Bosa would be a better 4-3 DE than Allen and Allen would be a better 3-4 OLB than Bosa.
That said, I'd do everything in my power to leak that the Jets love Bosa, not Allen, because the Raiders play a base 4-3 and I believe they agree that Bosa is a better fit than Allen at 4-3 DE, more of a sure thing in the trenches because he's more powerful than Allen, while Allen is more athletic.
Anyway if I can convince the Raiders we're taking Bosa, I'd tell them we're wiling to swap picks, 3 and 4, provided they cough-up their 2nd RD Pick. With three 1's they might bite, because I believe Bosa is the player they would take if they had the #1 overall pick, he's that close to a sure thing to be a dominant 4-3 DE and they're still getting killed for trading Khalil Mack. If they bite, I'm confident they will take Bosa, then we take Allen at #4 and recoup that early 2 we lost for Darnold.
PS. If the Raiders don't bite then I have to take Allen, which will not be well received by a number of Jets fans with Bosa on the board, but again, I think Bosa is more of a sure thing at 4-3 DE and may not be quite as dominant at 3-4 OLB, while I believe the reverse is true of Allen ... but I'm not letting the Raiders know I feel that way. :global (42):
Allen is a freak with production. Bosa has limited production and an injury history. Murray #1, Quinnen #2 and we take Allen over Bosa.
Damn, I sure hope it goes that way.
I just don't think SF will take the risk of taking Allen the Bosa would compliment Ford well.
I agree that the 49ers are more likely to take Bosa over Allen if they go in that direction, because Bosa is closer to a sure thing at DE.
If they played a base 3-4 I would be more afraid of them taking Allen. In fact even if it's between Q and Allen, assuming Bosa goes #1, I think they would take Q over Allen too. Best player in the draft (IMO) and a better scheme fit for the 49ers.
IMHO if the Jets draft Allen they will have some real trade bait at LB then. Drafting Allen means our starters will be Mosley and Allen (definitely), Williams and Jenkins (I’m assuming). Which leaves Lee, Luvu, Hewitt and a few other names I can’t remember as the backups. Never a bad thing having true depth but this may be overkill, don’t you think.
So who’s the real trade bait here? Who can give us the most back in a trade. Obviously Lee is the guy and he would probably get us a third round pick. Second rounder would be a real strength IMO. So I’m thinking if the Jets throw in Lee and a sixth rounder for next years draft to someone for their second round pick this year, we may get some takers.
The Jets can then use that draft pick to hopefully draft a WR like K’Neal Harry as our #1 guy for Darnold. The receivers we have now are good but not great by any standards at all. Enunwa, Anderson and Crowder appears to all be tier two to tier three guys at best. Burnett appears to be a tier three to tier four guy at best. Look at their stats and it will tell you who they are.
The Jets need a tier one WR, a guy that can give you 75 plus catches a year, 1,000 plus yards and 10 plus TDs a year. Maybe I’m wrong but I think Harry can be that guy. Now he may never see those kind of numbers because L. Bell will get a lot of catches. C. Herndon seems to coming along very well and a healthy Enunwa, Anderson and Crowder will command their catches also.
Imagine if the Jets drafted Harry or a receiver even better then him and Darnold having all these weapons to work with. As opposed to what he had last year. Just think about what this offense could truly be like, WOW! The Jets have many holes to fill we all know but drafting a #1 WR is one of them and they don’t necessarily have to trade up in the first round to do that. There is a strong possibility that a WR like Harry might drop into the second round and the Jets better jump on it.
So who’s the real trade bait here? Who can give us the most back in a trade. Obviously Lee is the guy and he would probably get us a third round pick. Second rounder would be a real strength IMO. So I’m thinking if the Jets throw in Lee and a sixth rounder for next years draft to someone for their second round pick this year, we may get some takers.
The Jets can then use that draft pick to hopefully draft a WR like K’Neal Harry as our #1 guy for Darnold. The receivers we have now are good but not great by any standards at all. Enunwa, Anderson and Crowder appears to all be tier two to tier three guys at best. Burnett appears to be a tier three to tier four guy at best. Look at their stats and it will tell you who they are.
The Jets need a tier one WR, a guy that can give you 75 plus catches a year, 1,000 plus yards and 10 plus TDs a year. Maybe I’m wrong but I think Harry can be that guy. Now he may never see those kind of numbers because L. Bell will get a lot of catches. C. Herndon seems to coming along very well and a healthy Enunwa, Anderson and Crowder will command their catches also.
Imagine if the Jets drafted Harry or a receiver even better then him and Darnold having all these weapons to work with. As opposed to what he had last year. Just think about what this offense could truly be like, WOW! The Jets have many holes to fill we all know but drafting a #1 WR is one of them and they don’t necessarily have to trade up in the first round to do that. There is a strong possibility that a WR like Harry might drop into the second round and the Jets better jump on it.
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I don't see how Lee brings a second rounder. I wouldn't even draft Lee in the second round. I don't even think Leo would fetch a 2nd rounder. Even if we did get a 2nd rounder, Mac sucks in the 2nd round.
Yeah, I am with you. I think Allen would be a force and exactly what we've been looking for on the outside.
Very well could be true
If they do trade Lee and whatever for a second round pick, Mac better not screw it up. If a WR like Harry or someone better is staring him in the face, he better draft him.