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i fail to see the correlation between brady and montana conversation and sheldon?
Did this latest win seal the deal? Brady greatest QB of all-time?
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i fail to see the correlation between brady and montana conversation and sheldon?
And he's a score in every game from being 0-6, a yard (or a call) from being 3-3, etc., what does any of it mean?
In my eyes, Montana is the GOAT. Brady is more 'human' - you know there's a chance he'll lose. It's not just that Montana didn't lose a SB, it's that you KNEW he wouldn't. He had that Jordan thing, that you just knew he wasn't going to let it happen.
I really don't get all that is made of "doing it the cap era". Yes, it's hard to maintain the same roster. But it's hard for your opponents to maintain the same roster too. More parity means a league full of mediocre teams, relative to the TOP teams of the past. Before the salary cap, in order to reach the SB, Montana and the 49ers had to get past Cowboys, Giants, Redskins, Bears teams that were all were better than any team we've seen WIN the SB in decades. Now, you get superiority in one aspect of the game, or even a couple of HOFers, and don't let the others shoot you in the foot, and you've got a puncher's chance at least.BB and Brady are the best because they did it in the Cap era. Now just think if Hess would have stuck with BB in 1997 or Had the Tuna left in 1999 maybe BB would have stayed and the Jets could have been the winning cheaters..
IMO, it is Belichik more than Brady that is the antidote to the salary cap, as he keeps pushing the envelope and doing things differently, including both genuine innovations and breaking the rules. And in the salary cap era, those small advantages can make more of a difference.
What if Rex and Shelton had something in their contract that was sort of rule breaking??
He lost a playoff game 49-3 that feels kind of human to me..LOL His best year was 26 tds and 8 picks but he did have a 31-13 year his only year with 30+ tds.. What Montana was is clutch in big moments hence the name Joe Cool..
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well i already am not a fan of rex and if shelton or anyone else broke the rules i wouldn't be a fan of theirs either.
I would say this, Montana would take over a game. You were watching his game. Brady is different, he is meticulous at times, and isn't always on, but avoids the death blow and always finds a way to play around the teams weakness.
They played in completely different leagues and have different ways to win. I think the biggest test is if you watch Brady face a great physical defense like Montana did, Brady stinks. If the jets had any offense the pats would have never beat Rex in 6 years. Geno throws 4 picks and sucks all game and the pats win by 3. But Brady s whole mentality had been shaped by living in this current nfl and tougher rules against the defense. No more late his on qb's, so there's no real way to compare all the variables. Maybe if Brady was born in the 70's, he never would have made it, or maybe he would have adapted.
Great post and agree with everything that you said.
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hell if it wasn't for a cheating coach brady never would have made it in this era either.
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Joe Montana is still the greatest SB QB of all time.
Look at the stats first.
Montana 11 TD and 0 INT in 4 games 4-0. Also had 2 rushing TD. 2 wins were blowouts
Brady 13 TD and 4 INT IN 6 games 4-2. No rushing TD. 4 wins by 4 points or less. You can argue Seattle really helped him.
Montana 83-122 1142 yards.
Brady 164-247 1605 yards.
Montana still the man, Brady can thank Vinetieri.. And Pete Carroll
Look at the stats first.
Montana 11 TD and 0 INT in 4 games 4-0. Also had 2 rushing TD. 2 wins were blowouts
Brady 13 TD and 4 INT IN 6 games 4-2. No rushing TD. 4 wins by 4 points or less. You can argue Seattle really helped him.
Montana 83-122 1142 yards.
Brady 164-247 1605 yards.
Montana still the man, Brady can thank Vinetieri.. And Pete Carroll
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This might sound sacrilegious coming form a lifelong die hard Jets fan, but to me Dan Marino was the greatest QB I ever saw. I know he never won Super Bowl, but this is a team sport, it isn't tennis or boxing. Most of Marino's teams were floored, they either had no defense or no running game. As a Jets fan for almost 50 years, no QB ever scared me more when he dropped back to pass against us.
Also,to illustrate my point, if Pete Carroll doesn't call that pass play and lets Marshawn Lynch score on a hand-off, does that make Brady less great?
Also,to illustrate my point, if Pete Carroll doesn't call that pass play and lets Marshawn Lynch score on a hand-off, does that make Brady less great?
If you ain't cheating, you ain't trying.
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ucrenegade
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speaking of sacrilegious I hated when he went up against jim kelly
+1 To this day Im stil pissed the Jets passed on him for Kenny..With the sack exchange and Freeman, Walker,Toon and McNeil I think a bowl or 2 may have been possible..Some fine QB's have come from Pennsylvania Namath,Unitas,Montana and Marino..
O'Brien had no oline. Marino may have suffered the same fate.
In that case Terry Bradshaw won 4 Bowls and played when QB's could be hit and loaded with Pro Bowlers..
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no because marino is one the fastest QB's at getting rid of the ball. That is why the jets played poorly against him even with the sack exchange he was to hard to get at not because of miami's oline but because marino saw the field better than anyone except maybe montana that I ever saw. He could go through his progressions even before the dline got to him........
If he was playing today with the pussy rules for QB they have now marino every season would be close to 5,000 yds and prob 40 td's his speed and accuracy were insane.
One of the Kenny lovers favorite excuses..Pat Ryan had no problem and won a playoff game something Kenny never did. Kenny had a slow release and moved in the pocket like he was in cement..Pigeons sat on him they thought he was a statue.He also is the only Jet QB never to have even 1 rushing td.. Namath had 7 and he wore knee braces..Hell even career backup Ryan had one..The left Tackle on that team was Marvin Powell a 5 time Pro Bowler and 3 time All Pro,Jim Sweeney,Joe Fields Pro Bowler and All Pro,Dan Alexander etc It's funny Kenny had 2 good years never won a playoff game and some Jet fans love him..LOL
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With all due respect, that is a myth. The oline looked pretty good when Pat Ryan played QB. It also looked good with our running game. I think real problem was that O'Brien was a statue. He had no mobility and a slow release. There is a reason he never scored a rushing TD in his entire career.