Sam Darnold is not recognizing coverages

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Exactly what tons of folks were saying about Geno, Sanchez and Fitz. They always made it about the HC, OC, O line, etc.
........and we never fixed the O-line, we just brought in another QB and anointed him as a bum as well. Fitz was savvy enough to compensate for a weak line, at least until he got his contract.
 

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Gase: "Now Sam the guys with the big numbers are big guys. The guys with the middle numbers are in the middle & the guys with the small numbers are in the rear & sides.....but they do switch up at times."

Sam: "That's not fair">

Gase : "Football is not fair Sam & please don't cry during this meeting again. You ruined my chartbook last week".

Sam: "how should I handle these mean people."

Gase: Well Sam the little people with the small numbers like to steal the ball when it is in the air. and the mid sized guys like to rip it out of your hands & the big guys like to pile on top of you Sam".

Sam: "Coach Gase tell me again why I must run at them......it would be better for me if I could run away from them I have a 5 yard head start".

Gase: "Sam stop the tears now please!" You got to watch out for the guys with the stripes too"

Sam "I know they keep throwing these yellow things at us.....At first I thought they were tossing me a banana but they taste awful."

Gase: Now one more thing you are supposed to hold onto the ball until you pass it to one of our guys...….wearing the same color uniform remember the same uniform that you are wearing. Just because Leonard Williams played for us two weeks ago you don't give him the ball his uniform is now Blue" But if those big guys up front are going to hit you hard throw the ball to me on the side...….right to me like we are playing catch. Throwing the ball straight up is a no no Sam..

Sam: How do I remember all this & one more question coach......I thought you told me the five guys in front of me are supposed to keep those big guys away from me? They seem to let them all in at the same time. Plus one more I thought our guys are supposed to catch the ball. Also, if Bell is one of the best & he gets 2.8 yards a carry should we not run him on every play for four downs.....You see coach math was my best subect.

Gase: "Sam I am working with them too. It takes time. Remember when you were in first grade....Well that's how I am coaching these guys" Now that you are a big kid in second grade you should know that."

Sam: Thanks Coach I know you have our back we are so lucky but why don't the fans see it.

Gase " Well Sam you have heard of Grad school & getting your masters.....Well that is where they are now." you still need to catch up son

Sam Thanks again coach ......Hey do we still get ice cream if we beat the Giants.....If we do I want sprinkles on my cone.....don't forget sir

See. This is exactly why we can never be a good team. If we didn't suck, then we would never get to read hilarious posts like this. Nice work Butterscotch. Clearly you put a lot of time into that post. Setting up the microphones and stuff to get that conversation on tape had to have taken a while.

If only Gase put as much time into his game planning
 

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And yes, it may not all be Darnolds fault this organization collectively sucks sad too to bottom. but here it comes... I told you so

Before this season started, after seeing the schedule I posted a million times my concern about what would happen if we had an 0-6 start. How would Gase not lose the locker room? Would Sam be ruined by the combination of the bad start, coach losing the locker room, and the constant pummeling behind the horrible line.

NOw, I'm no psychic. I'm sure everyone here also saw this coming. So here it is. Exactly what we knew would happen. We also now what will happen next. Darnold is ruined and the coach sucks. But he will be here 3 years before we restart again. We've seen this how many times? It's not going to change
 

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And yes, it may not all be Darnolds fault this organization collectively sucks sad too to bottom. but here it comes... I told you so

Before this season started, after seeing the schedule I posted a million times my concern about what would happen if we had an 0-6 start. How would Gase not lose the locker room? Would Sam be ruined by the combination of the bad start, coach losing the locker room, and the constant pummeling behind the horrible line.

NOw, I'm no psychic. I'm sure everyone here also saw this coming. So here it is. Exactly what we knew would happen. We also now what will happen next. Darnold is ruined and the coach sucks. But he will be here 3 years before we restart again. We've seen this how many times? It's not going to change
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See. This is exactly why we can never be a good team. If we didn't suck, then we would never get to read hilarious posts like this. Nice work Butterscotch. Clearly you put a lot of time into that post. Setting up the microphones and stuff to get that conversation on tape had to have taken a while.

If only Gase put as much time into his game planning

I will tell you a little secret.....Billy boy taught me how to sneak in video & microphones
 

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You guys are brutally harsh on Darnold, and as I've said, you just can't evaluate him under these circumstances. If you've never played QB, you don't know what it's like to get rushed every play with no protection - of course your footwork is bad. Of course you're going to misread coverages because you have no time to recognize them. If you're getting coached poorly, you see the results too. If the scheme is bad, you see that too. Some of the turnovers are on Sam for sure, but taken in totality, the regression is not on him. It's on the coaching staff and porous o-line.
Sam has 35 seconds to recognize the D and call protection. You don't audible after the snap. His pre snap reads are non-existent and he's continually calling the wrong protection. He was a project coming out of USC. He had very little experience, terrible mechanics, and couldn't read a defense. He's had no help developing as a QB. Gase is expecting him to perform at the same level as a first ballot HOFer, and he thinks force feeding him clips of the Broncos Super Bowl run is going to fix him.
Sam was all about potential,not accomplished talent. Without major changes, he will not realize that potential...
 

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Sammy seems to be passive.

So advise to Gase on the first play, Line Bell in the backfield with either Griffin or Wesco play action and toss it deep to Vyncint Smith or Robby Anderson either one should get a step on the defense.

Then after that if Gase feels we need to run the ball the next 50 times so be it.

Sam is at his best when he has receivers crossing over the field from right to left. Come back routes to the sideline on either side are successful but we have seen maybe a handful of these plays each game.

why does it seem the motion we see is Montgomery & Bell switching who will be in the backfield then we run the ball.

key situational play calling is poor we all know that, but last year Sam had ability to audible, guess the Guru doesn't believe Sam knows what he sees.
 

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Sam has 35 seconds to recognize the D and call protection. You don't audible after the snap. His pre snap reads are non-existent and he's continually calling the wrong protection. He was a project coming out of USC. He had very little experience, terrible mechanics, and couldn't read a defense. He's had no help developing as a QB. Gase is expecting him to perform at the same level as a first ballot HOFer, and he thinks force feeding him clips of the Broncos Super Bowl run is going to fix him.
Sam was all about potential,not accomplished talent. Without major changes, he will not realize that potential...
35 seconds wow you being nice. the ball snapped and the defender is already massaging his ass.

blocking scheme is simply pathetic, but the spacing is either too much or not enough so players (OL) are not taking their respective jobs seriously.
 

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35 seconds wow you being nice. the ball snapped and the defender is already massaging his ass.

blocking scheme is simply pathetic, but the spacing is either too much or not enough so players (OL) are not taking their respective jobs seriously.
Pre snap.... There's no rush, no pressure. He's failing to identify the D and call the correct adjustments.
 
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Pre snap.... There's no rush, no pressure. He's failing to identify the D and call the correct adjustments.

the problem is Gase not preparing for pre snap adjustments.
same time the center is suppose to call line adjustments which are not happening.

he is either not allowed or is at this present time incapable of audible out of pre planned game plan to either a safer play or to be aggressive because he sees something that he can take advantage of. this is all about the coach, preparation and film study. Gase has his friend as OC or acting OC/QB coach. too many titles for coaching staff that have nothing to do with the team especially on game day.

we see Gase sitting alone on the bench, where is Sam, where is Loggins, where is any other fucking player on offense they are all scattered away from Gase it is starting to be another running joke. that game day no one knows who the hell this guy is.
 

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Sam's not regressing. He's too stressed out to think because he knows he's going to get hit by at least three unblocked defensive men the moment he touches the ball. It sucks to be a quarterback behind an "O" line this decrepit.
 

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Sam's not regressing. He's too stressed out to think because he knows he's going to get hit by at least three unblocked defensive men the moment he touches the ball. It sucks to be a quarterback behind an "O" line this decrepit.
so comes to down is this, will the Jets have to draft his replacement if he is seeing them ghosts before they even line up for the snap?
 

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so comes to down is this, will the Jets have to draft his replacement if he is seeing them ghosts before they even line up for the snap?

Maybe, but probably not. Right now the kid is so rattled that he can't function properly but a couple easier games should give him a chance to collect himself and maybe get out of the funk he's in. Hope, Hope, Hope.
 

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Maybe, but probably not. Right now the kid is so rattled that he can't function properly but a couple easier games should give him a chance to collect himself and maybe get out of the funk he's in. Hope, Hope, Hope.
maybe we ask our defensive players oh nevermind, they suck too...

maybe we can buy a vowel?

it comes down to this, where is the psychologist because like you said it is all in his head...

any play caller knows to get his QB in rhythm simple easy throws but lets not show our hand when doing so...

the problem the sets we run out of they know what is coming, when we are trying to disguise so we can pass they are like fuck you, you're mine bitch and laying hit after hit on Sam, I would too be rattled when the game plan is flawed and that is being nice...
 

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maybe we ask our defensive players oh nevermind, they suck too...

maybe we can buy a vowel?

it comes down to this, where is the psychologist because like you said it is all in his head...

any play caller knows to get his QB in rhythm simple easy throws but lets not show our hand when doing so...

the problem the sets we run out of they know what is coming, when we are trying to disguise so we can pass they are like fuck you, you're mine bitch and laying hit after hit on Sam, I would too be rattled when the game plan is flawed and that is being nice...

Precisely. He doesn't stand a chance in hell if they don't fix the "O" line and Gase has to be a LOT less predictable with his play calling. If he could come up with something original that he has used since Miami that would help.
 

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Precisely. He doesn't stand a chance in hell if they don't fix the "O" line and Gase has to be a LOT less predictable with his play calling. If he could come up with something original that he has used since Miami that would help.
problem he is using everything he stole from Peyton Manning in Denver over and over again in Chicago then Miami now with us... Predictable is all he has...
 

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problem he is using everything he stole from Peyton Manning in Denver over and over again in Chicago then Miami now with us... Predictable is all he has...
You hit the nail square on the head my friend. Every team we face knows exactly what we are doing every play.
 

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the problem is Gase not preparing for pre snap adjustments.
same time the center is suppose to call line adjustments which are not happening.

he is either not allowed or is at this present time incapable of audible out of pre planned game plan to either a safer play or to be aggressive because he sees something that he can take advantage of. this is all about the coach, preparation and film study. Gase has his friend as OC or acting OC/QB coach. too many titles for coaching staff that have nothing to do with the team especially on game day.

we see Gase sitting alone on the bench, where is Sam, where is Loggins, where is any other fucking player on offense they are all scattered away from Gase it is starting to be another running joke. that game day no one knows who the hell this guy is.
That's always been who Gase is. But there are audibles available to Sam. We have seen him make adjustments on occasion. Just to rarely.
 

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That's always been who Gase is. But there are audibles available to Sam. We have seen him make adjustments on occasion. Just to rarely.
yea but when he does do them he gets yelled for it... Gase, Brian Winters, D Loggins, all shake their heads in disbelief on what he is doing back there... :kickingit:
 
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