Maybe its Wilson and Not Lafluer

[gmf1369]

I may have missed it, but do we have splits on ZW's performance in the pocket and out? One thing also to consider is that the OL is playing much better in the last three games than earlier in the season.

the OL are better because of the situation... A true pocket passer is under center... So their assignments are in front of them and anchoring down...

With Zach the pocket is moving because he is an improviser type QB which is better outside rather in the pocket.

 

[NewMFS62]

It could be one game only, but as a disgruntled fan its was exciting.

This game elevated my feelings about the team to gruntled.
Later

 

[Seaver41]

one thing for sure - the OC finally made 1st qtr changes and went pass heavy. that was on him. Now would Zach have been patient to take the short stuff like White did? Debatable. Watching helps to slow it down - Sam played better his rookie year after he had to sit a few games. I hope Zach made one simple mental note -the game is way too hard not to take what is given.

 

[skop]

Did anyone catch "where" LaFleur was yesterday?

That is a massive deal...10 years from now, he might call the game from field level, but he needs to be in the box to see the layers of the D and the depth of the layers.

it was not an accident that we saw correct plays being called to have our receivers to run freely in open spaces.

this game allowed Zach to see what the offense looks like when executed properly.
But it was also a game in which LaFleur saw what to call and when to call it...and Saleh said in his presser, that is where he will stay.

 

[skop]

Am, i excited to see White have an almost flawless game? Yes.
In fact, i will go one step further and blame the picks he had on those deserving of blame, because he should have had a perfect PFF game.

I am looking forward to a couple of other things:

1.) To see how White & LaFleur will do when a D has tape of him. White knew where to exploit and what he could get away with from seeing the game from side. The holes in coverage he saw Sunday are going to be filled on Thurs...lets see how he deals with crowded passing lanes before we put a Fur Coat and Panty Hose on him.

2.) I look forward to seeing how fast Zach gets back...not that he'll be allowed to play unless cleared, but by being a leader and saying "if it were up to me, i'd already be playing." ...in short, this could get ugly, and i want to see how down far down in the dirt Goldie Locks is willing to go.

 

[cheaterhater]

The problem with that is only one of the Jets QB's has shown himself to be good.

come on. Zach had that one nice play!

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

Lets also remember when GVR came out threw Zach under the bus. We all hated GVR for that because he sucks, but maybe thats the sentiment in the locker room about Zach.

 

[jets82]

He doesn't need to sit 3 years because of talent. Wilson needs to sit because he doesn't know how to be a leader and thats not something he will learn on the fly. He needs to see others do it to learn it. He tried to fool them with his WOW throws. Players are smarter than this. They had a different enthusiasm for White yesterday. White is definitely limited and he didn't play for 3 years for many reasons, but if he is winning and keeping the team competitive then he should play. Everyone seems to forget Zach almost got benched in college because of his turnovers so I see a pattern here. Its ok to go off script, but Zach is not good enough of an athlete or big enough to do it often. He was in college because he never played against an NFL quality player so his weaknesses are being exposed now.

I didn't watch the entire game yesterday, but I did listen to the second half and I could hear the excitement for this team that wasn't there since Fitz. It could be one game only, but as a disgruntled fan its was exciting. I watched week one and the Falcons game and never was excited watching Wilson. I'm tired of rooting for draft position. We can do that with hoping the Panthers or Seattle lose which in typical Jets fashion they both won yesterday.

How can you not be excited watching Wilson, especially the first game? Yes they lost but Wilson played well that game. Especially the second half. The Falcons game he didn’t play well at all. So I get that game and the Panthers game???

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

I was

How can you not be excited watching Wilson, especially the first game? Yes they lost but Wilson played well that game. Especially the second half. The Falcons game he didn’t play well at all. So I get that game and the Panthers game???

I was excited listening to that game yesterday. We haven't had that much excitement in a game in a decade. I hope Wilson figures it out, but I'm just as hopeful that Mike White is a QB in the perfect system. I also hope we win every game with him. What I don't hope is that they hand the keys back over to Zach unless he has figured it out or if White flames out.

 

[cheaterhater]

Lets also remember when GVR came out threw Zach under the bus. We all hated GVR for that because he sucks, but maybe thats the sentiment in the locker room about Zach.

you have to wonder

 

[cheaterhater]

I was


I was excited listening to that game yesterday. We haven't had that much excitement in a game in a decade. I hope Wilson figures it out, but I'm just as hopeful that Mike White is a QB in the perfect system. I also hope we win every game with him. What I don't hope is that they hand the keys back over to Zach unless he has figured it out or if White flames out.

I'm with Tebow here.

I don't care which one of them wins more than brady, as long as one of them does. If they both do it and one is on another team, that's fine too

 

[jets82]

I was


I was excited listening to that game yesterday. We haven't had that much excitement in a game in a decade. I hope Wilson figures it out, but I'm just as hopeful that Mike White is a QB in the perfect system. I also hope we win every game with him. What I don't hope is that they hand the keys back over to Zach unless he has figured it out or if White flames out.

That's fair, I will give you that! Especially if White plays that well and they win every game that Zach is hurt.

 

[Old#15]

This is an unexpected, but a very good situation to have. Competition always (well maybe not always) brings out the best in people. IMO this was an eye opener for Wilson as to how the system is best run. Now he can sulk if White takes the ball and runs with it or he can be better in the system. I think the latter will happen which is great for the team. Saleh may have raised a few eyebrows with his comments about the QB position moving forward, but competition and opportunity are his mantras. Players and competitive individuals respect that. If we end up with two great QBs, then one of them becomes a very valuable trade chip. Just saying.

 

[TebowCan'tThrow]

This is an unexpected, but a very good situation to have. Competition always (well maybe not always) brings out the best in people. IMO this was an eye opener for Wilson as to how the system is best run. Now he can sulk if White takes the ball and runs with it or he can be better in the system. I think the latter will happen which is great for the team. Saleh may have raised a few eyebrows with his comments about the QB position moving forward, but competition and opportunity are his mantras. Players and competitive individuals respect that. If we end up with two great QBs, then one of them becomes a very valuable trade chip. Just saying.

And you know the Jets will trade away the wrong one.

 

[butterscotch]

Huh? So Jets OC finally copies Pats playbook that makes Patriots Rookie QB look great and now Jets QB and Wilson is blamed? Come on guys. Jets OC after being crushed by media finally got smart copying Pats Offense against Bengals and won! Im happy Jets beat Bengals and Titans, but the big difference is play call yesterday copying Patriots Offense. I hope Jets continue to copy this Pats Offense when Zach gets back and stop treating Zach like a 10 year Vet QB. Im happy for White who also knows the OC copied Pats and it helped him just like helped Pats Rookie QB. Pats plays shows how good it makes a Rookie QB look and worked for Jets. But Zach is the guy and starting crap falls right into medias hand of build up Jets fans and rip us apart. Colts are for real but a QB still in question. Can Jets with new Patriots Offense work there? Maybe. But they might take away that short stuff and force Jets back to long pass and running game that Zachs been using.

Sack gets back. No he is on his back lol let it play out but white is more fun

 

[gastineau]

Lets not fall into media BS of stirring up crap on Jets. Clearly Zach has an elite arm passing and White isnt close in that area. Ive notice all season that Players not helping Zach and being lax in games. More like Players trying to make the GMs top pick look worse than he is because of contracts issues. The Coaches under pressure for their own stupidity seem quick to throw crap on Wilsons way. Offense play calling been poor until last game copying Pats playbook that helps White. Why didnt Jets do this right away? OC is better used to Vet QBs whos been in league a few. HC non comments also concern me. Why isnt he saying that when Zach is well he is our starting QB? Undermining Zachs confidence like some players? New Coaches I get it, but you have a young QB and cant be ripping up his confidence in first 6 games by Coaches and Players not having his back. If this is how Players and Coaches are Jets just as well never draft QBs and hire Vets QB. Maybe Jets need to go after Watson hard. Look, we seen Wilsons arm talent and before Draft everyone was WOWed by it so whats changed? Its last weeks play calling of Pats playbook that made White look good along with Players giving effort unlike the week before. I wiuld like a normal Team where coaches and players helps the Rookie QB instead of blaming him for poor play calling not fit for Rookie and coaching allowing Players to look lax like they did in Pats game. Really are us Jets fans going to pile on with the Players and Coaches piss poor playing effort and play calling all on Zach? Media hopes so .

 

[skop]

This is an unexpected, but a very good situation to have. Competition always (well maybe not always) brings out the best in people. IMO this was an eye opener for Wilson as to how the system is best run. Now he can sulk if White takes the ball and runs with it or he can be better in the system. I think the latter will happen which is great for the team. Saleh may have raised a few eyebrows with his comments about the QB position moving forward, but competition and opportunity are his mantras. Players and competitive individuals respect that. If we end up with two great QBs, then one of them becomes a very valuable trade chip. Just saying.

a.) me too on Zach's response...i think Zach gets off the mat and takes this as a professional, but with a personal edge.

b.) i think White over his shoulder can be good, but i hate when QB's have their spot on the depth challenged...if perfection is what is needed to succeed, neither will, and you never have "a" QB.

c.) yes, Saleh raised brows...but he also raised some of our brows when he joked that LaFleur will be in the booth; not his choice anymore. (a.) i don't think it was a joke. (b.) it was no accident that LaFleur called his best game.

 

[skop]

Lets not fall into media BS of stirring up crap on Jets. Clearly Zach has an elite arm passing and White isnt close in that area. Ive notice all season that Players not helping Zach and being lax in games. More like Players trying to make the GMs top pick look worse than he is because of contracts issues. The Coaches under pressure for their own stupidity seem quick to throw crap on Wilsons way. Offense play calling been poor until last game copying Pats playbook that helps White. Why didnt Jets do this right away? OC is better used to Vet QBs whos been in league a few. HC non comments also concern me. Why isnt he saying that when Zach is well he is our starting QB? Undermining Zachs confidence like some players? New Coaches I get it, but you have a young QB and cant be ripping up his confidence in first 6 games by Coaches and Players not having his back. If this is how Players and Coaches are Jets just as well never draft QBs and hire Vets QB. Maybe Jets need to go after Watson hard. Look, we seen Wilsons arm talent and before Draft everyone was WOWed by it so whats changed? Its last weeks play calling of Pats playbook that made White look good along with Players giving effort unlike the week before. I wiuld like a normal Team where coaches and players helps the Rookie QB instead of blaming him for poor play calling not fit for Rookie and coaching allowing Players to look lax like they did in Pats game. Really are us Jets fans going to pile on with the Players and Coaches piss poor playing effort and play calling all on Zach? Media hopes so .

a lotta truth in this post, gents!!!

Zach isn't the only high profiled rookie on this team. The HC and The OC are too, and their responsibility is grow the QB...but it appears they are stepping on his face to save their's.

Great Call-Out, @gastineau

 

[gmf1369]

Lets not fall into media BS of stirring up crap on Jets. Clearly Zach has an elite arm passing and White isnt close in that area. Ive notice all season that Players not helping Zach and being lax in games. More like Players trying to make the GMs top pick look worse than he is because of contracts issues. The Coaches under pressure for their own stupidity seem quick to throw crap on Wilsons way. Offense play calling been poor until last game copying Pats playbook that helps White. Why didnt Jets do this right away? OC is better used to Vet QBs whos been in league a few. HC non comments also concern me. Why isnt he saying that when Zach is well he is our starting QB? Undermining Zachs confidence like some players? New Coaches I get it, but you have a young QB and cant be ripping up his confidence in first 6 games by Coaches and Players not having his back. If this is how Players and Coaches are Jets just as well never draft QBs and hire Vets QB. Maybe Jets need to go after Watson hard. Look, we seen Wilsons arm talent and before Draft everyone was WOWed by it so whats changed? Its last weeks play calling of Pats playbook that made White look good along with Players giving effort unlike the week before. I wiuld like a normal Team where coaches and players helps the Rookie QB instead of blaming him for poor play calling not fit for Rookie and coaching allowing Players to look lax like they did in Pats game. Really are us Jets fans going to pile on with the Players and Coaches piss poor playing effort and play calling all on Zach? Media hopes so .

every QB has the ability who were drafted and even not drafted to be successful in this league lets get that straight, it is the coaching staff that will determine if a player will succeed...

Tony Romo Draft FA he had one helluva career had good coaching made him worthy
Mike White drafted by that same team never got his chance but has all the tools in the shed to be successful especially in this current playbook/game plan
Zach Wilson has failed to this point, yes he has a great arm but discipline in the pocket, poise in the pocket <<< these things he has failed to this point... Can he turn those things around, eventually but only time will tell...

as for right now after 1 and 1/2 games White proved to the fans that Mike LaFleur's playbook and game plan can be successful and other players on the roster actually finally showed up and executed...

so is there a controversy, no but you don't go away from the hot hand even though you drafted the future it is because he plays like gun slinger, pretty boy rocker that he put himself in a position to get hurt... so for now if Mike White continues to succeed then it should be Mike White under center when Wilson is healthy he will be the number two or at least that is what it should be...

Controversy from the media, no but for here it is a discussion on a discussion board to give us something to talk about...

It wasn't the media that started this so called controversy it was actually a former player that stated it first..

 

[Namath12]

When I was watching the game, my first impression was “Damn, what do you know? LaFleur finally has a 21st century game plan!” I was so sick of watching run, run, pass on 3rd and 8,” which was what happened to start the previous game, and had been a general pattern in all of the previous games.
Also, where were the screen passes, the designed short passes to the backs, the slants, the route trees that developed quickly, etc. in all of the previous games? I know that some of the plays were designed to take shots, and that some of the short passes were check downs by White (and it was smart by White to make those check downs), but I kept asking myself, “Why wasn’t this the game plan with our *rookie* quarterback?”

This is not to take anything away from Mike White, who played perhaps the best game I have seen from a Jets QB in 20 years. This is an indictment of LaFleur. I am also not excusing Zack for his poor decisions, his poor passes on some short throws, and his inclination to hold the ball too long at times, and therefore to be late on some of his throws, except to say that he is a *rookie!*. But he also throws the deep out of 15-20 yards better than any QB I have ever seen, and I have seen them all since Johnny Unitas. And the mistakes that I delineated above should gradually be reduced by good coaching.
However, I am not convinced at all that LaFleur is capable of coaching this out of Wilson. The main job of any coach, particularly with a rookie QB is to put him in the best possible position to succeed. Can anyone possibly say that LaFleur has done this? Now *if* Zack becomes the starter again, and *if* LaFleur dials up a QB-friendly game plan, and *if* Zack stinks it up, then he can fairly be blamed. As of now, I put most of the blame on LaFleur.

Moving forward, it seems obvious to me that White has to play as long as he stays hot. Otherwise, Saleh would lose the locker room. I actually think that it will benefit Zack greatly to watch for a while to absorb how White runs the game. We all know that Zack is a film junkie. I believe that Zack will learn from this, and will be less frenetic when he returns. Now Zack has a basis of comparison on tape. I can see him saying to himself, “Ah, now I see where to go with the ball when I get a particular read.” It should be noted that Zack was more excited than anyone about how well Mike played. The kid has character.
Now if White plays great the rest of the season, we have a champagne problem. There are worse problems to have, especially for Jets fans.