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[butterscotch]

and Butter, I'm not saying brady stinks. that would be stupid. he is one of the greatest qb's ever. can't even argue against that. if he ever retires, he wil hold every record there is. he will probably even be sacked more then any other qb because he will have played 4 times as many games as anyone else. Like Montana said, it's a different game now. as long as its a penalty to hit brady, no reason hecan't play indefinately
I'm just saying this,
if I had a team and was only missing a QB, and I had the best defense and offensive line. and I also wanted to humiliate the rest of the league by beating them by 50, I would pick brady as my QB hands down

if I had a pretty good team with an average defense and offensive line and wanted to win and still be liked by everyone, I would not pick Brady. I would pick Montana or Manning. or if Mahommes sticks around at his current level of play, then Mahommes too. love to watch that kid.

If Majommes wins the next 10 superbowls and remains the same kid he is now, I don't think many people are going to hate him like they hate brady.
one is a good kid. the other an arrogant bastard
one is a good winner and loser. the other is a poor winner and even a worse loser.

doesn't mean brady isn't one of the greatest

and my other point has always been, that any number of good qb's would have been a whole lot better had they played on belichicks team for 20 years. no need to disagree with this DWC, I know you disagree already

no doubt brady is a top qb of all time. just not my number one because he has had an easier path then anyone else. I don't see how anyone can argue that

Bottom line is we have Sack Wilson for the next 16 years

 

[butterscotch]

This.
Later

Look Jeter was a bad loser too.....when he said if you don't win each year you are failing.......well tell that to the Pirates with their payroll. Nice to say that when you are surrounded with $$$$ players & never left the team to try to lift another team to the top. People pick the best when they can

 

[cheaterhater]

Bottom line is we have Sack Wilson for the next 16 years

Or 2 more

 

[cheaterhater]

I agree with 80% of this too.....Look I think Warner had a chance to be the greatest QB of all time if things had gone right for him. Fitz vs Rice. Fitz had bad QB,s for 75% of his playing time. yes warner for a few years & Carson for a couple but other then that nothing Zero's. Rice had montana & Young for 90% of his playing time....who is better iMO Fitz.....But those are the breaks Companies hire the best people when they hire....so Brady picking his team the second time was the same thing. Luck plays a role too. If Jacques Plante had stayed in Montreal he would have won 12 cups but he did not. If Ruth had not pitched or Willams five years in the Army etc etc etc. If the Jets had hired me ....who knows lol

I forgot Drew Brees also. Other than SB wins, he had better career numbers in less games than brady. Of course brady did/will break them cause of way more games.

Loved watching him too. And a lovable guy

 

[cheaterhater]

Oh. I'm disagreeing all right (and rightfully so). Because I know the truth. I've studied the truth.

Kosar (11-18),
Philcox (2-3),
Tomczak (4-4),
Testaverde (17-15),
Rypien (2-2),
Zeier (1-3),
Bledsoe (5-13),
Cassel (10-5),
Garoppolo (2-0),
Brissett (1-1).
Newton (7-8)
Hoyer (0-1).
Jones (10-8).

It's super funny how Tom Brady All-Time is 278-87 (.761%) with 7 Super Bowl Championships.

But yet Bill Belichick with 13 other QBs (not named Tom Brady) is a career loser with a losing record of 72-81 (.470%) and only 1-2 in the playoffs without Tom Brady and has never ever made it past the 2nd round without Tom Brady despite 13 QBs and 9.2 years later

Belichick has a .500 or below losing record with 9 different QBs but you want to know who isn't a fraud? And who has a winning and above .500 record with just about every single QB who he's ever gotten his hands on? ANDY REID. Andy Reid is a much better Football coach than Bill Belichick and unlike Bill Belichick witthout Tom Brady; Andy Reid isn't a fraud without Patrick Mahomes (he's got a winning record without Patrick Mahomes).


Tom Brady without "Bill Belichick" after two years = 29-10 (.743%) with 1 SB Title and a QB Rating of 102.1 (83 TDs/24 INTs).

Vs.

Bill Belichick without Tom Brady after 9.2 years = 72-81 (.470%) with 0 SB Titles (can't even escape the 2nd round) and has been exposed as a complete fraudulent fraud.



Tom Brady doesn't need Bill Belichick but Bill Belichick always needed Tom Brady; and that's the difference.

Why don't you compare qb numbers on only the qbs that played with the same guys brady played with. That is a fair comparison.
Garapollo 2-0
Cassel. 11-5
Brissett 1-1
Total 14-6
And none of those guys had ever played a game before.
Brady left when the team had its first lull in 22 years. And he didn't get past Vrabel in the playoffs. And then covid decimated them last year. Now they are rebuilding and 10-7 isn't a bad start I would say

 

[cheaterhater]

Drew Brees also got to put up 50% of his numbers in a dome under perfect playing conditions.

Unlike Tom Brady who had to put up his numbers in rain, snow and mud with wind too.

There is no comparison imo.

Do u atleast agree Brees is a loveable guy?

 

[cheaterhater]

Why don't you compare qb numbers on only the qbs that played with the same guys brady played with. That is a fair comparison.
Garapollo 2-0
Cassel. 11-5
Brissett 1-1
Total 14-6
And none of those guys had ever played a game before.
Brady left when the team had its first lull in 22 years. And he didn't get past Vrabel in the playoffs. And then covid decimated them last year. Now they are rebuilding and 10-7 isn't a bad start I would say

And then compare Cassels numbers to bradys the next year

 

[cheaterhater]

Because this is about Bill Belichick.

Kosar (11-18),
Philcox (2-3),
Tomczak (4-4),
Testaverde (17-15),
Rypien (2-2),
Zeier (1-3),
Bledsoe (5-13),
Cassel (10-5),
Garoppolo (2-0),
Brissett (1-1).
Newton (7-8)
Hoyer (0-1).
Jones (10-8).

Bill Belichick with 13 other QBs (not named Tom Brady) is a career loser with a losing record of 72-81 (.470%) and only 1-2 in the playoffs without Tom Brady and has never even ever made it past the 2nd round without Tom Brady (despite 13 QBs and 9.2 years later).

You know what I can do though too? I can post all of the players on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers who never made the playoffs as a Buccaneer until Tom Brady arrived and then immediately won a SB because of hin (Mike Evans and so many more). Brady took a TB Franchise who hadn't made the playoffs in 13+ years and immediately led them to back to back playoff appearances and 1 SB (And I know, because I live in Tampa Bay).

It's about brady and beljchick. Belichjck just missed the playoffs with not much talent and a rookie qb in a stacked afc.
Brady went to a stacked team that restocked for Brady, in the nfc with not many good teams in acovid depleted season. A d he beat Mahommes who was down 2 offensive lineman and who has no defense. And the Sb was a home game for Brady.
Year before Brady, TB was a few Winston it's from the playoffs without bradys allstars

 

[butterscotch]

Because this is about Bill Belichick.

Kosar (11-18),
Philcox (2-3),
Tomczak (4-4),
Testaverde (17-15),
Rypien (2-2),
Zeier (1-3),
Bledsoe (5-13),
Cassel (10-5),
Garoppolo (2-0),
Brissett (1-1).
Newton (7-8)
Hoyer (0-1).
Jones (10-8).

Bill Belichick with 13 other QBs (not named Tom Brady) is a career loser with a losing record of 72-81 (.470%) and only 1-2 in the playoffs without Tom Brady and has never even ever made it past the 2nd round without Tom Brady (despite 13 QBs and 9.2 years later).

You know what I can do though too? I can post all of the players on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers who never made the playoffs as a Buccaneer until Tom Brady arrived and then immediately won a SB because of hin (Mike Evans and so many more). Brady took a TB Franchise who hadn't made the playoffs in 13+ years and immediately led them to back to back playoff appearances and 1 SB (And I know, because I live in Tampa Bay).

i agree

 

[skop]

Bill Belichick doesn't deserve any credit for Mac Jones. That's all on Josh McDaniels dude ala both of Mac Jones Offensive Coordinator and QB coach.

Andy Reid deserves credit for Patrick Mahomes but Bill Belichick deserves nothingness in regards to Tom Brady.

Andy Reid is the real QB legend. Bill is a freaking fraud.

i cannot freakin' believe you have me defending Belli-fuck but you're so wrong, its' crazy.

Seriously, brother...google "A Football Life The Cleveland Browns 1995"... watch with an open mind. see what distinguished NFL Front Office and Successful Coaches say about the "fraud".

Josh McDaniels is a punchline to a joke! Belli-fuck created that offense. Belli-fuck created that defense...it's all him.
do you ever see them looking different year after year...no. know why? because his coords run his schemes the best that his players can, or the coords are gone.

Crennel goes to CLEVE...D looks the same, right?
Weiss goes to Notre Dame...O looks the same, right?
Matt Patricia leaves for DETR...D looks the same, right?
McDoofus F's up DENV...but the NE O is the same, right?
O'Brien goes to HOUS...O looks the same, right?
McDoofus comes back...O looks the same, right?
Mangini goes to NYJ...D looks the same, right?

getting the picture?

Do you ever watch documentaries about Brady and Belli-fuck when they were still besties? you see Brady in Belli's office breaking down opposing D's. Brady is as close to a perfect QB as there has ever been, but he learned about holes in Defenses by one of the greats D coords in the history of the game.

 

[cheaterhater]

Are you sure you want to do this?



There is (and was) no comparison.

N.E went 18-1 with Brady and only 10-5 the next year with Cassel .

2007: Tom Brady.
18-1 (SB loss).
398/578 (68.9%).
4,806 passing yards.
50 TD passes.
8 INT's (same as 2019).
21 sacks.
117.2 QB Rating.

2008: Matt Cassel.
11-5 (completely missed the playoffs).
327/516 (63.4%).
3,693 yards.
21 TD passes.
11 INT's.
47 sacks.
QB Rating of 89.4.

I just compared Brady's numbers to Cassel's and Cassel couldn't hold Tom Brady's jock strap

But you know what's even funnier? Once Andy Reid got his hands on Cassel? Cassel had a career year and made the Pro Bowl under Andy Reid (once escaping Belly).

PS: Bill Belichick never deserved credit for anything Tom Brady/Matt Cassel related because Bill Belichick has never called an Offensive Play. Only the likes of Charlie Weis and Josh McDaniels deserve QB credit in N.E because unlike Andy Reid? Bill Belichick has never been no QB whisperer.

2009

 

[cheaterhater]

i agree

you agree? belichick built the team around brady and when any other qb stepped in to that team while brady was out, their combined record was 14-6 with the same team brady had

 

[cheaterhater]

i cannot freakin' believe you have me defending Belli-fuck but you're so wrong, its' crazy.

Seriously, brother...google "A Football Life The Cleveland Browns 1995"... watch with an open mind. see what distinguished NFL Front Office and Successful Coaches say about the "fraud".

Josh McDaniels is a punchline to a joke! Belli-fuck created that offense. Belli-fuck created that defense...it's all him.
do you ever see them looking different year after year...no. know why? because his coords run his schemes the best that his players can, or the coords are gone.

Crennel goes to CLEVE...D looks the same, right?
Weiss goes to Notre Dame...O looks the same, right?
Matt Patricia leaves for DETR...D looks the same, right?
McDoofus F's up DENV...but the NE O is the same, right?
O'Brien goes to HOUS...O looks the same, right?
McDoofus comes back...O looks the same, right?
Mangini goes to NYJ...D looks the same, right?

getting the picture?

Do you ever watch documentaries about Brady and Belli-fuck when they were still besties? you see Brady in Belli's office breaking down opposing D's. Brady is as close to a perfect QB as there has ever been, but he learned about holes in Defenses by one of the greats D coords in the history of the game.

I feel like I should be paying you as my defense attorney. you have more patience then me for sure. and I agree. defending belichick sucks, but truth is truth and just because brady created an all star team to play on after leaving belichick, belichick never knew a thing about football. insane!

 

[cheaterhater]

ok guys. so in conclusion:

dwc thinks belichick sucks and he loves brady

skop lives in the same reality as me... and

Butterscotch only listens to Genesis

 

[butterscotch]

you agree? belichick built the team around brady and when any other qb stepped in to that team while brady was out, their combined record was 14-6 with the same team brady had

That is a good manager & good system.did any of those other qbs win anywhere else

 

[butterscotch]

I feel like I should be paying you as my defense attorney. you have more patience then me for sure. and I agree. defending belichick sucks, but truth is truth and just because brady created an all star team to play on after leaving belichick, belichick never knew a thing about football. insane!

They are like an Arthur Avenue Italian combo great together

 

[butterscotch]

ok guys. so in conclusion:

dwc thinks belichick sucks and he loves brady

skop lives in the same reality as me... and

Butterscotch only listens to Genesis

That is not true I listen to Mike & the mechanics. Peter Gabriel, Tony banks. Steve hackett. Brand x & Anthony Phillips, Phil collins plus Christmas music

 

[butterscotch]

So manning not letting the Jets draft him makes him a good qb? A good guy? Or was he looking for a better team??? Ray boruque left Boston for Colorado did that make him a bad person or a smart one.

 

[butterscotch]

Wr can pick anything we want too & distortion of the records. But when you add it up he holds all the records , greatness , luck, cheating what ever he holds the records & has the rings. I would not want h I m on my team because I don't like him but with me winning is not everything

 

[butterscotch]

Look at base ball Roger Maris is the only legal substance batter to hit 60 Homer's but mantle if healthy may have had the record. As far as being healthy for brady so was hank Aaron (up until the shot lol) so longevity plays a part too.