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I disliked Brady because he was a NE Patriot and always seemed to get a flag thrown his way if he got touched for a Roughing the QB. We also had the Brady Rule for everything else that would fall in his favor. The one QB I disliked the most to this day is Peyton Manning. He could have gone to the Jets or could have given us a haul of Draft picks in a trade, but he decided to stay in school 1 more year because he did not want to be drafted by the Jets.
 

NewMFS62

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There are only three quarterbacks I was sad when they retired, Sid Luckman (my dad told me how great he was), George Blanda and Joe Namath.
I don't give a flying rat's ass about those fuckers.
I didn't like any of them.
Later
 

CaptMyng

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There are only three quarterbacks I was sad when they retired, Sid Luckman (my dad told me how great he was), George Blanda and Joe Namath.
I don't give a flying rat's ass about those fuckers.
I didn't like any of them.
Later
"You kids get off my turf!!!!":sayhellotomylittlefriend:
 

skop

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Poor Philip Rivers. The only one of these 6 QBs who never won a SB.

He had seasons of 14-2, 13-3, 12-4 etc with prime LaDainian Tomlinson and Antonio Gates + Vincent Jackson + some pretty good SD Ds but yet could never get the job done come postseason play (Playoffs = 5-7).

Rivers was pretty awesome (always hated his weird throwing motion) but I think SD will always regret picking Rivers over Bress.


I bet you're wrong. He isn't the same QB outside. As a Penny fan, i wanted him to go to Minny to play indoors 9 games per year for the same reason Brees went to NO.

From the article:

"In regular-season and postseason games played indoors/with the roof closed, overs are 82-61-2 (57.3%) in Saints games with Brees at quarterback.
On the other hand, totals are basically split 42-41 (50.6%) when playing outdoors. While the overall record is close to 50/50, Saints outdoor games have fallen under the closing total more regularly as Brees has aged."
 

skop

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I don't know about that man because you know me. I love stats. And that article did an awful job of providing actual indoor vs. outdoor QB statistics.

Drew Brees Inside of Dome =

89-52 overall (63%).
3,731/5,348 (69.7%).
43,212 Passing Yards.
321 TDs/121 INTs.
QB Rating of 104.6.

Drew Brees while Outside =
76-56 overall (57%).
3,024/4,629 (65.3%).
33,025 Passing Yards.
224 TDs/110 INTs.
QB Rating of 92.5.
[/SPOILER]

Sports writers always need something to write about but maybe it's his O-Linemem, WRs, TEs and Defense who couldn't play outside of a done because Drew Brees had HOF numbers both inside and outside.

Both Peyton Manning and Barry Sanders played within a dome @ Indianapolis and Detroit too, which is why I don't care too much for the inside vs. outside talk because when you're great, you're great and all you need is a Football to be so.

Barry Sanders Inside of Dome =
56-39 overall (58.9%).
9,461 rushing yards.
67 rushing TDs.

Vs.

Barry Sanders while Outside =
18-40 overall (31.0%).
5,809 rushing yards.
32 rushing TDs.

But yet I've never witnessed sports writers talking about how #20 could only win when inside of a dome ala 56-39 inside but only 18-40 outside when considering him the Greatest RB of All-Time.

And what about Randy Moss?

53-24 overall inside his dome but only 67-66 overall outside because that's 68.8% (dome) vs. 50.3% (outside).

At the end of the day I believe most Chargers fans regret keeping Philip Rivers instead of Drew Brees but who knows, I could be wrong but all I know is Drew Brees balled his tail off and put up HOF numbers while playing outside (of a dome).

show me the stat for Brees not playing under Payton if he stayed in SD.
 

Bigmoe

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There are only three quarterbacks I was sad when they retired, Sid Luckman (my dad told me how great he was), George Blanda and Joe Namath.

was it when he retired ?
Or actually when he left us to go to the Rams ?

marry glickman:
“ It’s a grey dismal day at Shea
There’s a sign in the far corner
Thanks Joe “
That’s my saddest day
-in My Jet history anyway .

Ps;
Blanda was one tuff ass QB/kicker wasn’t he?
 

skop

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I don't know about that man because you know me. I love stats. And that article did an awful job of providing actual indoor vs. outdoor QB statistics.

Drew Brees Inside of Dome =

89-52 overall (63%).
3,731/5,348 (69.7%).
43,212 Passing Yards.
321 TDs/121 INTs.
QB Rating of 104.6.

Drew Brees while Outside =
76-56 overall (57%).
3,024/4,629 (65.3%).
33,025 Passing Yards.
224 TDs/110 INTs.
QB Rating of 92.5.
[/SPOILER]

BTW...you are a stat manipulator.

as a Bolt QB, he went 35-15 in outside games.
as a Saint QB, after the shoulder was put back together, his record outside was 42-41.
see the drop off?

you padded his overall numbers to minimize Rivers' stature in comparison by using his SD numbers which occurred before the injury. Post injury, he's a 50-50 Outside QB.
 

Bigmoe

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BTW...you are a stat manipulator.

as a Bolt QB, he went 35-15 in outside games.
as a Saint QB, after the shoulder was put back together, his record outside was 42-41.
see the drop off?

you padded his overall numbers to minimize Rivers' stature in comparison by using his SD numbers which occurred before the injury. Post injury, he's a 50-50 Outside QB.
Good job
I don’t even bother to read into those stats
Boring
 

skop

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I like Brees a lot! But you completely gloss over the fact that he had a major injury to his throwing shoulder on his last play as a Bolt.
He was never the same QB outside, and your almighty stats prove it...if you look at them pre and post injury.

to not do so is a manipulation of stats.

Furthermore, you completely belittle Payton's role in the resurrection of Brees's career.
it'll take more time than to copy and paste stats, so you actually have to watch games to see Payton created an offense for Brees.
watch his greatest games, and there are many...see just how few times Brees was required to fit balls into tight windows, and how few times he had to throw outside the numbers.

I am no Brees hater. But he went to the right place at the right time to be what he became.
 

Bigmoe

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I like Brees a lot!

I am no Brees hater. But he went to the right place at the right time to be what he became.
Think it was 2005-06 he was available ?
I wanted us to get him , but if you remember he was damaged and everyone was afraid.
I often wonder how that would have turned out?
Chad was at the end for us another year after that
A lot of guys loved him I wasn’t a big fan
Oh well
Your right though, he went to the right place at the right time
Probably would have stunk with us .
 

skop

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I'm manipulating stats? But you're only posting team record and not QB statistics? So who's really the stat manipulator here?

(Tell me what Drew Bress Outdoor Stats as a Saint after his Chargers Injury were...)

QB Completion Percentage = _______
Passing Yards = _________
TDs/INTs = __________

QB Rating = __________

I don't appreciate being called a stat manipulator so please fill in those 4 blanks (above) in order so you can see HOF numbers (post injury/outside of a dome) for yourself...

the fact is that his team, and QBs get the win/loss record, were 1 game over 500 outdoors while he was a Saint.
I don't have the time to do 83 game sheets to prove my point.

nobody is saying that Brees didn't play well in those games, or at least played well in most of them.
what i am saying is that Brees had the ability to win more games indoors as he outpaced the scoring of the opposing team while he could not do so outdoors as a Saint.

The Bolts had a great run with Rivers.

I don't think they have that run with Brees...Payton wasn't there to create an offense for him, and He couldn't outscore opponents outdoor the way he did indoor after his shoulder injury. All of your stats don't diffuse that.
 
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skop

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Think it was 2005-06 he was available ?
I wanted us to get him , but if you remember he was damaged and everyone was afraid.
I often wonder how that would have turned out?
Chad was at the end for us another year after that
A lot of guys loved him I wasn’t a big fan
Oh well
Your right though, he went to the right place at the right time
Probably would have stunk with us .

Yup... even Miami passed on him to get Dante Culpepper. He and Chad had mirror injuries...Chad a few years prior.
i always wondered it Chad could have done what Brees did if he went to NO?
 

skop

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There wouldn't be a point to prove to begin with
Because Drew Brees pup up Hall of Fame individual QB Statistics (during outside games) as a Saints QB.

Anc in closing this indoor vs outdoor is such a stupid conversation for me. Because Football is Football and reading Defenses is reading Defenses

a.) QB's, and especially very good ones, can run up stats in losses. so for Brees to have HOF stats, but a 42-41 outdoor record as a Saint isn't noteworthy.

b.) Ask the '82 Jets if there is no difference in playing out doors. Don Shula and AJ Duhe are laughing their asses off about a certain game.

c.) you're making a straw man argument. nobody derided Brees's creds. I just said that the fans in SD might not have jettisoned Rivers over Brees.
 

NewMFS62

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Blanda was one tuff ass QB/kicker wasn’t he?

Blanda holds the following professional football records:

  • Passing touchdowns in a game: 7 (Tied with 7 others[13]) November 19, 1961 vs. New York Titans[14]
  • Most seasons played: 26 (1949–58, 1960–75)
  • Most seasons scoring a point: 26
  • One of two players to play in 4 different decades. Blanda played in the 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s and John Carney, who played in the 80s, 90s, 2000s and 2010s
  • Most PATs made (943) and attempted (959)
  • Most interceptions thrown, single season: 42 (1962)
  • Held record of most pass attempts in a single game: 68 (37 completions, vs. Buffalo Bills on January 11, 1964) until 1994 when Drew Bledsoe had 70
  • Oldest player to play in an NFL game: 48 years, 109 days
  • First player ever to score over 2,000 points
  • Oldest quarterback to start a title game - Broken by Tom Brady
  • Most total points accounted for (including touchdown passes) in a career: 3,418 (not an official stat) - broken by Drew Brees and Tom Brady
He is the placekicker on the All-Time All-AFL Team, and was one of only 20 players to play all ten years of the AFL,

And the best part was, supposed NFL genius George Halas cut him because he couldn't play linebacker. (And it took over 30 years for him to find Jim McMahon in 1982.)

Let's hear it for us old guys!

Later
 
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