are we ready to rent talent? are we there yet?
OTOH, nothing attracts a crowd like a crowd, so if we put Deebo in G&W, who else might follow, right?
Update: Deebo Samuel has officially ask to be traded
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are we ready to rent talent? are we there yet?
OTOH, nothing attracts a crowd like a crowd, so if we put Deebo in G&W, who else might follow, right?
I here ya. I'd just rather give him 10 seconds to throw instead. with time any receiver can get open.
you know who we have seen that with for 25 years
that would be yet another nifty bit of sleight of hand by douglas especially since i could see him moving off davis in '23 anyway..
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Well, they just spent first rounders on OL two years in a row. And they shelled out $40 million to solidify RG.
And you know there is no bigger proponent for building up the OL than me.
But this team has done that. It has made that investment.
I can possibly see this happening on draft nite:
we take our pick at 4. Most likely Ekwonu
we hold our pick at 10 for JJ. If he isn’t there, we deal down for a later first an extra second.
If JJ is still there at 10, we take him
In the first scenario, ( JJ gone) we deal the later extra first (and perhaps the last second for Deebo, leaving us 2 seconds and 1 first used on Ekwonu
in the second scenario (JJ picked) , we dump Becton for an early second ( now we have 3 seconds). This would have to be pre arraigned on day one
Then we move our first And second picks in round 2 to move back up to the first round , trade that pick for Deebo (and possibly a 4th) leaving us back to 1 second round picks ( albeit later pick),
All in all, 3 picks in the first 2 rounds + plus Deebo
JD likes to get cute on draft day, but lots on moving parts in this scenario. And no… I don’t have the trade points chart. The potential extra picks would be determined by who we trade with and the actual pick number
Drafting Ekwonu leaves us no choice but to dump Becton. No way is Becton or Ekwonu riding pine. Too much invested in those picks not to be a contributor, and I personally think Saleh really likes Fant, so he would be locked in at LT
we take our pick at 4. Most likely Ekwonu
we hold our pick at 10 for JJ. If he isn’t there, we deal down for a later first an extra second.
If JJ is still there at 10, we take him
In the first scenario, ( JJ gone) we deal the later extra first (and perhaps the last second for Deebo, leaving us 2 seconds and 1 first used on Ekwonu
in the second scenario (JJ picked) , we dump Becton for an early second ( now we have 3 seconds). This would have to be pre arraigned on day one
Then we move our first And second picks in round 2 to move back up to the first round , trade that pick for Deebo (and possibly a 4th) leaving us back to 1 second round picks ( albeit later pick),
All in all, 3 picks in the first 2 rounds + plus Deebo
JD likes to get cute on draft day, but lots on moving parts in this scenario. And no… I don’t have the trade points chart. The potential extra picks would be determined by who we trade with and the actual pick number
Drafting Ekwonu leaves us no choice but to dump Becton. No way is Becton or Ekwonu riding pine. Too much invested in those picks not to be a contributor, and I personally think Saleh really likes Fant, so he would be locked in at LT
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From profootballtalk.nbcsports.com
Deebo Samuel decries people talking “about a situation they know nothing about”
Posted by Michael David Smith on April 27, 2022, 12:57 PM EDT
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San Francisco wide receiver Deebo Samuel has once again used social media to talk about his ongoing issues with the 49ers, without actually clearing anything up.
This time, Samuel posted on Twitter to complain that people are talking about his situation without knowing the facts. Unfortunately, Samuel didn’t explain what the facts are.
“To real to entertain half the stuff y’all be saying but it do be funny though,” Samuel wrote, “everybody want they voice to be heard about a situation they know nothing about and just be saying whatever the next person say. Have a blessed day.”
But if Samuel doesn’t want people talking about a situation they know nothing about, why doesn’t Samuel himself just clear the air? If he wants to be traded by the 49ers, he could say so. If he wants a new contract to stay with the 49ers, he could say so. If he dislikes the way the 49ers’ offense uses him, he could say so.
He is saying none of those things. Instead, he’s posting cryptic social media messages.
However, cryptic social media messages have become the way NFL players show that they’re not happy with their current teams. Samuel seems to be hinting that he wants out, even if he isn’t directly saying so.
Deebo Samuel decries people talking "about a situation they know nothing about" - ProFootballTalk
San Francisco wide receiver Deebo Samuel has once again used social media to talk about his ongoing issues with the 49ers, without actually clearing anything up.This time, Samuel posted on Twitter to complain that people are talking about his situation without knowing the facts. Unfortunately...
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OK folks.
Not for nothing, but if you check the newswires there is no mention of Trey Wingo's "hot scoop".
He has a podcast and is working for Caesar's in Vegas, but I couldn't find anything specific about this story.
Is there a link to it, or is it just some writer massaging himself into ecstasy?
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Not for nothing, but if you check the newswires there is no mention of Trey Wingo's "hot scoop".
He has a podcast and is working for Caesar's in Vegas, but I couldn't find anything specific about this story.
Is there a link to it, or is it just some writer massaging himself into ecstasy?
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so you are happy with the line?
if Ikem is there at 4 do you take him?
how about center?
You know better than I , but I'm not seeing brady time to throw yet even with the new guys are you?
I'm not arguing. I'm asking. you know I always ask your opinion on oline and mensa
1.) i am better than i was this time last year... but bring on the Sky Scrapers.
2.) Yes... and if we keep 10 and Penning is there, take him too.
3.) 69... Jurgens. yes.
4.) you would see that with 1 thru 3 accomplished... and Zach would throw for 3700, +30 TDs, and MC1 would rush for over $1200. and our D would be rested in the 4th, and Moore, Cory, and Berrios would be "the biggest surprise unit in football".
now that is more like Joe and makes more sense - I like.....not giving SF the #10....F that
Ditto
Fant and 38? Would take that in a second.
Don’t the Niners ha
an all world LT and we know Fant sucks as a RT.
I don’t understand the slow burn to respectability. Let’s build this thing over 5 years and “do it right”. We’ve rebuilt the o-line, added some secondary type weapons at WR and TE, and we don’t wanna finish off the offense with the only thing left? A #1 WR.
This is an offense heavy league. You can win with average defense nowadays. We still need work on that side, but Deebo is the last piece on offense. A game changer. But we want to gamble on “maybes” like Garrit Wilson. Stop worrying about cap space! JD has set the table perfectly to absorb a big contract like this. It’s not going to ruin anything financially for this team.
This is an offense heavy league. You can win with average defense nowadays. We still need work on that side, but Deebo is the last piece on offense. A game changer. But we want to gamble on “maybes” like Garrit Wilson. Stop worrying about cap space! JD has set the table perfectly to absorb a big contract like this. It’s not going to ruin anything financially for this team.
vigorously..
No, no...I know you're not arguing. It's a legitimate discussion.
Right now, I would say the Jets OL is fringe top 10 in the game. Could be better, but a far cry from where it was when JD got here. Maccagnan never put resources into the OL, and it showed. The line JD has built for this year, as is, is absolutely good enough for a good young QB with weapons to succeed, especially with a solid young RB in MC.
I would like to see the team improve the OL, but I don't see it as a desperate need. RT is still uncertain. I prefer Fant at LT. If Becton is healthy, who plays RT? It's a discussion worth having because Fant is FAR more capable at LT than he is at RT, but would the team play Becton at RT? I don't know.
As for C, I LOVE Linderbaum. But I'm not sold on the Jets drafting him right now, for a couple reasons. McGovern has been far better than some would suggest, and he has suffered from awful guard play - on both sides in his first year, on the right in his second. You draft Linderbaum, you are playing him immediately. I am much more comfortable with a line as young as the Jets would be if they had a veteran C, as opposed to a rookie. LT needs to be the best player, but C is the one making the line calls. With a young QB and a lot of youth on the OL, I would rather have McGovern for a little while longer, draft an interior guy who can play some G and C, fill in, and develop into a long-term solution at C.
If the Jets are making a move early in the draft for OL, I would much rather for an OT, and then make a corresponding move. If the franchise has soured on Becton, bring in a tackle who can play RT for a year with Fant at LT, and then slide over to LT once he has a year under his belt, and deal Becton. If the franchise is still solid on Becton, you could trade Fant while his value is high and draft a potential franchise RT.
Brady had time with the Pats, in part because of Dante, and in part because of his own quick release. He did not have that talent his entire time in NE, nor did he have it in TB. Wilson, if his release is quick enough, absolutely should be able to live up to his abilities with this line. If he needs a line better than this to avoid failing, then part of it is on him. This is a good - not great, but good, and fringe very good - OL.
The addition of Laken Tomlinson with AVT gives the Jets perhaps the best Guard combo in the NFL. You mentioned McGovern, who got roasted by fans in 2020, but bounced back nicely last season. Fant was really good in pass pro at LT. So really it’s about Becton coming back at RT and mauling people in the ground game. This line has the potential to be absolutely ridiculous, if you ask me.
I wouldn’t draft Ekwonu, and I think he’s a fantastic prospect. Can’t miss even. That’s how confident I am in this o-line.
ok. so guess we'll find out what JD's plan is soon enough. Becton is the big question mark right now and hopefully the Jets know the answer
thanks Sack
I have scoured the internet looking for the Trey Wingo "Deebo Samuel Trade" offer the Jets proposed to S.F. The Jets #10 and another pick. After searching and checking each story it seems that Trey Wingo was a pawn used by none other than Tony Pauline. I thought I had a great line on us obtaining Deebo, but in the end, you have to consider the source. From every article I came across, it seems that the 49ers WANT the #10 pick and as of right now JD is not willing to part with that pick.
So the situation hasn't changed since I posted about my same futile internet search just about 24 hours ago (see my post above).
The last few pages of this thread have been worth exactly diddly.
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