What do we do ? This guy is a real stud !! DL is not a true need of ours .... Draft him? Trade back a few for extra picks?
If DT- Leonard Williams is on the board when we pick @ #6 ....
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Leonard Williams and Amari Cooper are the two safest picks in the draft, IMO.
It's not a need, but how can you argue with this monster. Our defensive line would be ridiculous.
Its a good question because you never know, its highly unlikely he falls to 6, but anything is possible.
If it happens he would be real hard to pass on, but if we take him that means switching to a base 4-3, which is fine with me because we're talking about a super unit on the front four, and with our rebuilt secondary that spells H-E-L-L for QB's.
BASE FRONT FOUR
DE Mo Wilkerson
DT Sheldon Richardson
DT Leonard Williams
DE Quinton Coples
Or you could go Williams & Coples at the ends, Wilkerson and Sheldon inside.
SHORT YARD/GOAL LINE
DE Mo Wilkerson
DT Sheldon Richardson
DT Snacks
DE Leonard Williams
Its a great five man rotation too because Snacks can sub in for all four of them, whoever needs a blow, because all of our D-Tackles have DE versatility, so any one of them can shift outside if he subs for an end, and in todays NFL your DL's all need a blow, its too taxing in the trenches, if they play every down they'll be sucking wind in the 4th Qtr, so your 5th Man is like the Nickel in todays NFL, a quasi starter, another justification for taking Williams if he slides to 6.
Lastly, taking Williams and shifting to a base 4-3 essentially eliminates the need for a 3-4 Rush OLB. Now we can just draft a 4-3 OLB later in the draft, and those guys (unlike the 3-4 edge rushers) are not at a premium, so you can get a damn good one after the first round.
If it happens he would be real hard to pass on, but if we take him that means switching to a base 4-3, which is fine with me because we're talking about a super unit on the front four, and with our rebuilt secondary that spells H-E-L-L for QB's.
BASE FRONT FOUR
DE Mo Wilkerson
DT Sheldon Richardson
DT Leonard Williams
DE Quinton Coples
Or you could go Williams & Coples at the ends, Wilkerson and Sheldon inside.
SHORT YARD/GOAL LINE
DE Mo Wilkerson
DT Sheldon Richardson
DT Snacks
DE Leonard Williams
Its a great five man rotation too because Snacks can sub in for all four of them, whoever needs a blow, because all of our D-Tackles have DE versatility, so any one of them can shift outside if he subs for an end, and in todays NFL your DL's all need a blow, its too taxing in the trenches, if they play every down they'll be sucking wind in the 4th Qtr, so your 5th Man is like the Nickel in todays NFL, a quasi starter, another justification for taking Williams if he slides to 6.
Lastly, taking Williams and shifting to a base 4-3 essentially eliminates the need for a 3-4 Rush OLB. Now we can just draft a 4-3 OLB later in the draft, and those guys (unlike the 3-4 edge rushers) are not at a premium, so you can get a damn good one after the first round.
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Predictably, we will see comments towards BPA and "you can never have enough quality DT's" but the reality would be that one of your guys sits and that's the kind of move that gets a GM fired. Good luck explaining to Woody that you don't have any sacks or QB pressures because you wanted to get an "extra" star DT. This is sheer fantasy bordering Madden-like mentality.
People said the same thing about the Giants until they beat the unbeatable in the SB . . .
This potential scenario could play out as follows: ......
1- Tampa Bay - Jameis Winston
2- Tennessee - Marcus Mariota
3- Jacksonville - Dante Fowler Jr.
4- Oakland - Amari Cooper
5- Washington - Brandon Scherff
6- NY Jets - Leonard Williams (?????)
1- Tampa Bay - Jameis Winston
2- Tennessee - Marcus Mariota
3- Jacksonville - Dante Fowler Jr.
4- Oakland - Amari Cooper
5- Washington - Brandon Scherff
6- NY Jets - Leonard Williams (?????)
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it worked for the giants so I wouldn't mind barring a trade down is not possible.
Is Scherff really a top 5 pick? from what I read of him, it would be too high of a pick to spend on him as there isn't that many great o linemen in this year's draft
There is no way in hell we are taking Leonard Williams. Yes, I would bet my house on it. We have arguably the best DL in the NFL. On the other hand, we have one of the oldest and slowest LB groups, our OL is average at best, and we probably have one of the 5 worst QB units in the NFL. But let's ignore all that and make sure we add some more depth on our DL that's already stacked with pro-bowl caliber players.
To me this is like the Packers trading their 1st round pick for Tom Brady. Ya, they just acquired one of the 10 best players in the league but got absolutely no better on the field.
To me this is like the Packers trading their 1st round pick for Tom Brady. Ya, they just acquired one of the 10 best players in the league but got absolutely no better on the field.
Exactly. Listen, I understand that the d-line is stacked, and it doesn't appear to make much sense to take Williams. But if what Macc said recently is the truth, he's interested in BPA. And under this scenario, Williams would be considered the BPA. He's projected to be a sure top three pick. If he slipped to 6, value-wise, it would be a steal.
But I don't think we'll be forced to actually make this decision, because there's a very slim chance Williams drops to us.
+1
I think we are in a position now where we should be picking BPA no matter what.
This is the kind of thinking that cracks me up. And I apologize if this comes off as being a dic as I'm really not intending that. But too many assign an arbitrary value on a player based solely off their early projection in mock drafts, done by those in the media.
Then when a player a drops, we jump up and say we HAVE to take that guy, his "value" is too good to pass up here. Listen, the "value" is imaginary. It wasn't based off anything real; it was based off of a consensus of mock drafts. Now if some of you actually do your homework and watch these guys play, then that is another story. But the bottom line is that most people claiming "Johnny X" is "too good to pass up here" has never seen more than a 3 minute highlight clip and a synopsis off of NFL.com.
The idea that Leonard Williams is going to be significantly better than Beasley or Gregory or Shelton or Goldman or Armistead is nothing but the consensus of media hacks that, more often than not, just copy Kiper's early mocks and tweak theirs slightly.
So this fantasy of forgoing actual need and players that play positions that might help us address weaknesses and become a better football team, and instead taking a DT (when we're stacked there) who some think is "too good to pass up at 6 because the VALUE is too damn high", is just that: fantasy.
It's not happening. No way Macc is THAT bad of a GM. Hell, Idzik wasn't that bad of a GM. Hell, Rich Kotite would have known better. That's how farfetched this idea is.
Never said that at all. If a player is going to be an impact guy, it doesn't matter where he's drafted. The "value" thing is so overused and arbitrary. All of these guys have risks. But this idea, that because Williams is projected as a top 3 player, we have to jump on him if he slides is stupid. No, we have to take the player that bests helps the Jets get better. And doing that involves taking great players and also taking players that round out your football team. You can't always take the BPA with no regard to your roster.
If we were just going to draft the best DT and CB every year then we should have never got rid of Rex and Idzy. Those guys were masters at doing that while ignoring the rest of our roster. We could have had the best DL in the league at 4-12 every year and everyone would be happy.
I complimented you on some recent posts and analysis, even surrendered on Winston because you sighted some very pertinent facts the media is largely ignoring, but this post is not one of your best. This is nothing like trading for or drafting a QB when you already have an elite QB, because the last time I looked there is only one QB on the field, and unless you want to reinvent the wheel, there will never be more than one. So if you have Aaron Rodgers, barring injuries any other QB on your roster is completely nullified.
OTOH Williams has DE/DT positional flexibility, as do a number of our D-linemen, so that means there are four spots you can play him if you draft him, assuming you shift to a base 4-3, and it would be ridiculous not too if you draft Williams with the strength of our D-line.
I pointed out in precise detail how Williams gets on the field as a starter, at DT or DE (take your pick), how this would give us a terrific five man rotation on a four man front, how the fifth man in a 4-3 D-line rotation is comparable to a nickel in todays NFL, which is to say he's a quasi starter, how the position flexibility of all of our D-linemen (other than Snacks) still allows Snacks to operate as the 5th Man on running downs and give any of the four starters a blow, and lastly how this would eliminate the need for an edge rushing 3-4 OLB, a primary position you usually need to address in RD 1 because the run on blue-chip 3-4 edge rushers happens in RD 1, whereas even the best 4-3 OLB's tend to linger into the second round and thats where we can draft a player like McKinney, Kendricks, Shaq Thompson or any number of highly regarded 4-3 OLB's who figure to be on the board at 37 and beyond.
Lastly, considering a secondary that now ranks amongst the elite, how does this not make us appreciably better?
DE Wilkerson or Williams
DT Williams or Wilkerson
DT Sheldon Richardson
DE Quinton Coples
5M Snacks and Coples
I listed Snacks and Coples at the 5M's because you can sub out Coples on running downs and use Wilkerson & Williams at the ends, with Snacks and Sheldon inside. So Coples and Snacks is more of a rotation than the other three who only need to come off the field when they need a blow, as ALL D-linemen do in this league, fairly often, unless you want to kill them.
Then completing the front-seven:
OLB Demario Davis
MLB David Harris
OLB Shaq Thompson, Benardrick McKinney, Eric Kendricks or other?
Now you combine that front seven with our secondary, and how is this not the front runner to be the leagues #1 defense?