The Walking Dead "Conquer" Episode Discussion (SPOILERS)

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SPOILER ALERT! If you haven't watched tonight's episode of The Walking Dead, don't read any further!

As season finales go, this one left me completely and utterly speechless. It was a subtle, yet powerful episode that was atypical in terms of shock value. There wasn't an onslaught of deaths and the violence was a bit tame for a season finale but the writing and character development was off the charts. The theme of this episode and the season overall was change. Throughout this season and more specifically in tonight's episode, we saw how our survivors attempted to change and adapt to their new community. Some of these changes were mitigated by the trauma they've experienced prior to their arrival at Alexandria while other changes were caused by the group's interactions with Deanna and her people.

"Conquer" was a complex episode of multiple layers, one which I will attempt to peel away:
RICK: The character who arguably experienced the most change since the series inception experienced yet another drastic transformation both physically and mentally during Season five. The new clean-shaven Rick wasn't playing with a full deck this season and with each passing episode, he slowly started to become unhinged from sanity. Rick in the latter half of the season most closely resembled Morgan from the season four episode "Clear" and the significance of that character's arrival in Alexandria is supposed to signal Rick's own journey back to sanity. Further, Rick's speech at the end of the episode echoes the idea that in order to survive, one must change and adapt in order to survive. Rick's ever changing persona made it possible for him to convince Deanna who after the loss of her husband that she too must change. This realization was solidified when she gave Rick permission to murder Pete.

Michonne: The character who most wanted to assimilate to the lifestyle established by the Alexandrians realized that the rules of the pre-apolocalyptic world no longer applied. She let her guard down when she hung up her katana. The price of doing so gave Pete the opportunity to steal her sword and kill Deanna's husband. It is interesting to note though, that without Michonne, Rick would have gone down a different path than the one he did in the finale. She was the one who kept him "sane" long enough to realize that taking over Alexandria was unethical and immoral. At the end of the episode we see Michonne reclaim the katana and by extension her previous persona.

Glenn: The character who refused to change. Glenn who was still reeling from the loss of Noah did not give into his temptation in murdering Nicholas in the woods even after he almost got him killed. If he had chosen to pull the trigger, he would be no different from Nicholas. In this refusal, Glenn remains, in my opinion, the most innocent character of Rick's group.

Sasha: The character who could not accept. Sasha is the archetypal character of grief. The viewers have watched Sasha through all the stages of grief. She lost Bob, Tyreese, and Noah within weeks of each other and could not accept their deaths and as a result became "dead" herself. She didn't want to feel, so she killed. That final moment when she went to Father Gabriel for repentance was her cry for help; her chance to finally accept.

Father Gabriel:The character who could not forgive. Father Gabriel was the most ironic character this season because as a priest he is supposed to provide guidance but he himself was lost due to what he had done. He could not forgive himself for choosing to sacrifice his parishioners in order to save himself and the guilt was eating him alive. He wanted to die and did everything he could to get himself killed. In a weird twist of fate it was Sasha's cry for help that made him realize that he is needed by the Alexandrians and has something to offer.

Carol: The strongest character of them all. Carol undoubtably has grown the most out of all the characters throughout the course of the show. She started as a battered wife in season one and in season five proved to be the savior. She saved everyone at Terminus and realized first that Pete was a problem. Her ingenious manipulation of the townspeople in Alexandria solidified her as a possible leader if and when Rick was ever unable to lead. She also had the best line of the episode in her confrontation with Pete, "you're a small, weak nothing and with the world the way it is, you're even weaker."

The climatic end to season five heralded in a "new" changed Alexandria that begun with the death of one of the town's original founders. How will Rick and the others shape this new community? We'll have to wait until October for season six to find out that answer.

Until then, the wolves are near...

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Awesome analysis Teach. I expected more in terms of shock value and deaths in this episode. I did still like it however. It set up the next season with a ton of questions. How will Morgan assimilate into Rick's group. Rick is his only friend and looking for him kept him a live for a while. Will he be deflated to find out that Rick has changed his morals?

Rick is in charge of Alexandria now. Will he look out after this bigger community the way he does with his "family"? Or will he use them to keep his group alive. Now that Rick is in charge will she stop the pretending she's a housewife and generally a weak person?

Glen, still confused about his character. I like your analysis that he's the most innocent. For how long? Can he resist or will he slowly change like the rest of them?

There are a ton of questions. Don't want to wait til October..


Carol is becoming stronger and stronger and a super manipulator.
 

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wow!! this show is so great when it clicks it's unbelievable!!
[MENTION=116]TeachDown[/MENTION] i'll give my thoughts on "conquer" tomorrow.. LOLz i'm going to bed!!
 

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Awesome analysis Teach. I expected more in terms of shock value and deaths in this episode. I did still like it however. It set up the next season with a ton of questions. How will Morgan assimilate into Rick's group. Rick is his only friend and looking for him kept him a live for a while. Will he be deflated to find out that Rick has changed his morals?

Rick is in charge of Alexandria now. Will he look out after this bigger community the way he does with his "family"? Or will he use them to keep his group alive. Now that Rick is in charge will she stop the pretending she's a housewife and generally a weak person?

Glen, still confused about his character. I like your analysis that he's the most innocent. For how long? Can he resist or will he slowly change like the rest of them?

There are a ton of questions. Don't want to wait til October..


Carol is becoming stronger and stronger and a super manipulator.
[MENTION=2]Elias[/MENTION] - thanks! you posed some thought provoking questions which I can only speculate the answers to...

I think that Morgan will definitely be taken aback by Rick's unscrupulous behavior considering how much he views life as precious. I think the writers are going to set it up for those two characters to be at odds for a while because Morgan still has some type of moral code in not killing humans whereas Rick will kill anyone to protect his group as Morgan witnessed at the end of the season finale.

I also think that Rick will definitely look after his new community now that Deanna is on his side. She saw how much people cannot be trusted, something that Rick has been saying all along. I do think however that the show will start to move away from human interlopers and more towards something different with the wolves...

I think they are keeping Glenn as the innocent character because they need someone who represents a connection to humanity, but you are right, I don't know how long they can do this before he too breaks.

A co-worker of mine made an interesting observation about something Michonne said in the finale. She told Rick, "something will happen, don't make it happen" and her words came true. Pete had HER katana and wound up killing Deanna's husband. This might not be a coincidence. Did Michonne set this all up to help establish Rick as a viable leader for Alexandria? This might explain why at the end of the episode she reclaimed her sword. Definitely something to think about.

I definitely can't wait until October for more dead. Good thing AMC decided to air the spinoff of The Walking Dead this coming summer. This should hold us over till season six!

BTW - the season finale was the second most watched episode with 16 million viewers!
[MENTION=45]jetgreen13[/MENTION] - what say you about the finale!? Curious to here your thoughts!
 

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[MENTION=116]TeachDown[/MENTION] i thought "conquer" was one of my favorite episodes ever.. lennie james as morgan is absolutely awsome.. i mean how fantastic was he?? loved how good he was with the bow staff!! the rick & michonne interaction was really cool.. i definitely & i like how the writer's kinda teased that michonne was really angry with rick but it turned out to be the opposite.. i could go on & on & i just might in another post.. but wow, what a fantastic season finale!! did you like the fear the walking dead trailer, BTW??
 

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In season 1 Dale was asked why he bothered to keep track of time. He replied with a story from William Faulkner.

“I like what the father said to the son when he gave him a watch that had been handed down through generations. He said: ‘I give you a mausoleum of all hope and desire which will fit your individual needs, no better than it did mine and my father before me. I give it to you not that you may remember time, but that you may forget it. For a moment, now and then, and not spend all of your breath trying to conquer it.'”

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Read this , can't take credit, but interesting
So much for different teams it's all about team Rick

How true
Merle to Carol: “You’re a late bloomer.”
 

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For Trekkies original series

Here's one I came up with
The RED poncho dude , daryl and Aaron were tracking.
Get his throat slashed and ends up a deadhead at the end
Reference to Star Trek " red shirts" on away missions?
Always get killed
 

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For Trekkies original series

Here's one I came up with
The RED poncho dude , daryl and Aaron were tracking.
Get his throat slashed and ends up a deadhead at the end
Reference to Star Trek " red shirts" on away missions?
Always get killed
or little "red" riding hood gets killed by the big bad "wolves??"
 

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Nice write up TeachDown. It stinks that we have to wait until October, but we'll have "Fear the Walking Dead" this summer to help fill the void.
 

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“I like what the father said to the son when he gave him a watch that had been handed down through generations. He said: ‘I give you a mausoleum of all hope and desire which will fit your individual needs, no better than it did mine and my father before me. I give it to you not that you may remember time, but that you may forget it. For a moment, now and then, and not spend all of your breath trying to conquer it.'”

Wow, I didn't catch the significance of this quote. It does contain the last five episode titles of this past season in sequential order. Time is such an important element within The Walking Dead.

There are constant references to it and not just by Dale. Rick gave his watch to Carol during season four when she was exiled and upon entering Alexandria, Rick and Deanna had an extensive discussion about knowing the time.

Time is directly tied to life. Regardless as to whether we are in or out of an apocalypse, time dictates life and death. It's precious and just like death, we can't conquer it. We don't get much time in this world and what matters is how we use it.

Another reason why I love this show. It's so layered and always has me thinking. I can't wait for more. So sad that there's no new episode this Sunday.
[MENTION=45]jetgreen13[/MENTION] I did catch that trailer for the spinoff. I don't know what to think about it just yet. I'm a bit weary because it won't be directly related to the comics and I fear (no pun intended) it might be overkill to have to shows about the same subject matter going on at the same time. I am however really interesting in knowing about the backstory as to how the virus came to be and what it was like in the first few days of the outbreak. I have faith in AMC and the writers and the added bonus is that we will have more walking dead throughout the year. What are your thoughts about it?
 

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Wow, I didn't catch the significance of this quote. It does contain the last five episode titles of this past season in sequential order. Time is such an important element within The Walking Dead.

There are constant references to it and not just by Dale. Rick gave his watch to Carol during season four when she was exiled and upon entering Alexandria, Rick and Deanna had an extensive discussion about knowing the time.

Time is directly tied to life. Regardless as to whether we are in or out of an apocalypse, time dictates life and death. It's precious and just like death, we can't conquer it. We don't get much time in this world and what matters is how we use it.

Another reason why I love this show. It's so layered and always has me thinking. I can't wait for more. So sad that there's no new episode this Sunday.
[MENTION=45]jetgreen13[/MENTION] I did catch that trailer for the spinoff. I don't know what to think about it just yet. I'm a bit weary because it won't be directly related to the comics and I fear (no pun intended) it might be overkill to have to shows about the same subject matter going on at the same time. I am however really interesting in knowing about the backstory as to how the virus came to be and what it was like in the first few days of the outbreak. I have faith in AMC and the writers and the added bonus is that we will have more walking dead throughout the year. What are your thoughts about it?
cautiously optimistic because of the same things you're interested in seeing with the show teach..

some sort of origin story for the virus & what things were like at the very beginning of the outbreak.. LOLz i think we'll only get one out of two, BTW..

i doubt kirkman signed of on creating an origin his comics never gave.. will see..
 
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