"NFL Draft 2015 - Everything Draft Related (Trades, Picks, Team/Pick Breakdown, etc)"
I dont have to talk to him...he plainly said so in his interviews since he was hired...he said the same about McDougle...he's not counting on them, but hopefully they provide a surplus of talent. Saying you are not counting on a paid employee is never a good sign...
"But I would say, simply, we're very excited about Dee coming back off his injury, and making that position exceptionally deep, talented, and helping our team win. There's so much time that has to go by here. I don't really want to go down that road [of projecting whether Milliner is on the Week 1 roster or not]. I'm just focused on getting Dee back on the field and making that position extremely competitive and very talented."
http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2015/03/what_does_mike_maccagnan_think_about_cornerback_de.html
"It's a bit of an unknown," Maccagnan acknowledged on Wednesday. "It could have a negative outcome, but it could have a positive outcome. So, to me, it's kind of a wild card. It's not necessarily a negative or a positive. If he comes back well from his injury, suddenly you have a good player in him. You have to kind of prepare for the worst-case scenario, but if you do get him back and he plays well, if we go out and address that position and he comes back strongly, it just makes that position stronger.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000473364/article/jets-gm-on-dee-milliners-role-its-kind-of-a-wild-card
http://www.jetnation.com/2015/02/24/maccagnan-hopes-ailing-corners-lead-to-surplus-new-york-jets-todd-bowles-dee-milliner-dexter-mcdougle/
Yep, right now the subterfuge is flying fast and furious!
Part of a GM's Job, particularly at this time of year, is mastering the art of propaganda.
Sun Tzu and Machiavelli would have made terrific NFL GM's
That's fair. But the logic is this: No Heisman QB drafted during the Super Bowl era has become a franchise QB. That era is pushing 50 years now. I think that's more than pure coincidence. If anything has changed during the SB era, it's the rate at which Heisman QB's are being drafted in the first round, since 2007. From 1970-2006, Heisman QB's were drafted in the first round at a rate of about 33% (one out of three). From 2007-present, they have been drafted in the first round at a rate of about 85%. The one thing that has remained constant is that all of them have been busts, even those drafted in later rounds. The one thing that seems to be happening is that there has been a first-round Heisman-QB drafting hysteria since 2007. I hope the Jets' draft team can resist the hysteria,
with all dues respect, i find this thought process silly. are you saying that if andrew luck or peyton manning had won the heisman instead of finishing 2nd that they would have been bad QBs and you would pass on them?
Albert Breer @AlbertBreer · 18h18 hours agoAlso, according to info from 5 NFL teams, Shane Ray failed a drug test early on in his career at Missouri. That comes back to haunt him now.
Albert Breer @AlbertBreer · 18h18 hours agoClubs were willing to overlook Ray's failed drug test after getting to know him the last couple months. This AM's incident changes things.
oops, I meant Eric Davis, not Eric Allen.
No. If they had won the Heisman, I would still be in favor of drafting them. Of course, they didn't win, so that is really something of an academic point, no? (If pigs had wings...) So yes, I would still draft them, if the choice is made purely for football reasons. But unfortunately, non-football reasons come into play so often. For example, the Bucs have said their #1 overall pick this year would be partially based on "community relations." With that logic, they'll probably do as well as the last time they spent their #1 overall draft pick on a Heisman QB: Vinny Testaverde. No question he was was a total bust for the Bucs. And with Woody's track record, I would not be surprised if the Jets' pick is spent on a Heisman QB because of his meddling. And then I'll just have to wait and see how that turns out. Probably won't have to wait for long though.
i just don't agree with the assessment that teams make picks based on heisman trophies. if they did, gino torreta, danny weurfel, troy smith, eric croutch , jason white, chris weinke and charlie ward would have been high draft picks.
QBs (and all players) are drafted based on how teams think the player will do in the pros. like you said on luck, you would draft him for football reasons. that's why teams are looking at winston and mariota. there's a reason every so-called draft expect has winston and mariota as among the top 5 or so players in the draft, and i'm willing to bet none of the QBs i just listed above were on those lists.
now if you don't like mariota or winston because you don't think their skillsets will make them good pros or you are worried about off-field baggage, that makes sense. but to rule out a player because they won the heisman seems kind of silly.
Don't think that is true. How about all the other Heisman QB busts drafted in the first round since 2007? All selected just for football reasons? The historical first-round draft rate of 33% from 1970 to 2006 has leapt up to 85% since 2007 due to football reasons? Has the success rate of first-round Heisman QB picks since 2007 leapt up similarly?
Not Charlie Ward.
He was all about basketball from Day 1 and told NFL GMs he would NOT be playing NFL professional football.
He went on to have a 12 year career in the NBA. Smart choice, HYATT™ personally thinks.
i didn't say they were necessarily good picks. i'm assuming specifically you are talking about tebow and johnny football, since i do think bradford, cam newton and RGIII (the other post-2007 QBs) were all drafted because teams thought that they would be good QBs. do you not think that is the case?
mariota and winston aren't tim tebow.
Yes, you have listed all of the Heisman QB's drafted in the first round since 2007. Tebow and Manziel I think are clearly complete busts. I would include Bradford and RGIII in the bust category as well, although they aren't quite dead yet. Only Newton has a chance of not being a bust, I think, but he has been in the league only 4 years. Made the playoffs twice, and has a playoff record of 1-2. Not definitely bad, but potentially bad. Let's talk about Newton in about 2 years. I'm sure all of these guys were drafted in the first round with the expectation they would become franchise QB's. So far, none of them has achieved it, in my judgment.
Now, let's think of this from a different angle. Think about all the great QB's over the last several decades. Guys like Montana, Brady, Marino, Rodgers, Favre, Elway, etc, etc. Not a Heisman among them. And then excellent QB's who may not be great, but are clear franchise QB's, like Phil Simms, Philip Rivers, Drew Brees, Joe Flacco, etc, etc. Again, not a Heisman among them.
Coincidence? I don't think so.
If the Jets do something unconventional at 6, who will it be?
If the Jets do something unconventional at 6, who will it be?
The consensus says the following six are coming off the board with the first six picks:
NO PARTICULAR ORDER
Winston
Mariota
Williams
Fowler
Cooper
White
So lets say the Jets DO NOT take one of these six, which dark horse might they take at 6?
It can be anyone but one of those six, and you can only choose one player.
Alvin Dupree
Thats my dark horse, how bout you?
If the Jets do something unconventional at 6, who will it be?
The consensus says the following six are coming off the board with the first six picks:
NO PARTICULAR ORDER
Winston
Mariota
Williams
Fowler
Cooper
White
So lets say the Jets DO NOT take one of these six, which dark horse might they take at 6?
It can be anyone but one of those six, and you can only choose one player.
Alvin Dupree
Thats my dark horse, how bout you?
Danny Shelton. Bowles said today that the two most important positions on defense are NT & CB.
damaged goods...no thanks.
