"NFL Draft 2015 - Everything Draft Related (Trades, Picks, Team/Pick Breakdown, etc)"

nycdan

5th Year Team Option
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Yes, you have listed all of the Heisman QB's drafted in the first round since 2007. Tebow and Manziel I think are clearly complete busts. I would include Bradford and RGIII in the bust category as well, although they aren't quite dead yet. Only Newton has a chance of not being a bust, I think, but he has been in the league only 4 years. Made the playoffs twice, and has a playoff record of 1-2. Not definitely bad, but potentially bad. Let's talk about Newton in about 2 years. I'm sure all of these guys were drafted in the first round with the expectation they would become franchise QB's. So far, none of them has achieved it, in my judgment.

Now, let's think of this from a different angle. Think about all the great QB's over the last several decades. Guys like Montana, Brady, Marino, Rodgers, Favre, Elway, etc, etc. Not a Heisman among them. And then excellent QB's who may not be great, but are clear franchise QB's, like Phil Simms, Philip Rivers, Drew Brees, Joe Flacco, etc, etc. Again, not a Heisman among them.

Coincidence? I don't think so.

In all fairness, if Bradford wasn't an egg back there, he might have had a real shot to be a great QB. I think Newton still has a legit chance. It's not a lot, but that's what I got.
 

OCCH

Pro Bowl 1st Team
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Not to speak for RI, but I'd agree if he's saying winning the Heisman can lead to an overvaluation of a player, which in turn leads to less than expected results more often than not.

However, I do not agree that the trophy has some "Brady Bunch totem curse" that dooms all winners to future bustdom . . .
 

Sarge

Pro Bowl 1st Team
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3 positions Jets won't spend a draft pick on (after #6)

3 positions Jets won't spend a draft pick on (after #6)

All positions are the table at #6 , but the Jets WILL NOT draft a player at the following 3 positions after pick number 6

1 - Wide Receiver - We could take Cooper or White, but we have very good depth at WR with 4 or 5 very solid potential contributors (Evans, Owusu, Enunuwa, etc) and I doubt we take a WR if we pass on one at #6

2 - Offensive Line - Scherff is a possibility at 6, maybe Peat, but we have 5 + potentially good backup linemen already on the roster - Aboushi, Winters, Freeman, Dozier, Johnson, etc. A backup OL is not a need

3 - Cornerback - I doubt we take a CB at 6 or any other round

We WILL draft these positions in rounds 2-7 depending what we do at 6

S, ILB, OLB, RB

possible drafts positions are

QB, TE
 

jetfandreamer

Jets Groupie
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ILL say La'iel Collins no SCHERFF.....no COLLINS...

L COLLINS OT LSU


(Way out of box pick ELI HAROLD....he will not be there at 37
 

jetfandreamer

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All positions are the table at #6 , but the Jets WILL NOT draft a player at the following 3 positions after pick number 6

1 - Wide Receiver - We could take Cooper or White, but we have very good depth at WR with 4 or 5 very solid potential contributors (Evans, Owusu, Enunuwa, etc) and I doubt we take a WR if we pass on one at #6

2 - Offensive Line - Scherff is a possibility at 6, maybe Peat, but we have 5 + potentially good backup linemen already on the roster - Aboushi, Winters, Freeman, Dozier, Johnson, etc. A backup OL is not a need

3 - Cornerback - I doubt we take a CB at 6 or any other round

We WILL draft these positions in rounds 2-7 depending what we do at 6

S, ILB, OLB, RB

possible drafts positions are

QB, TE

Don't totally agree Sarge with everything..if they don't pick a WR at 6..I still think WR is on board down line..especially one that can return kicks/punts....but if they do take WR at 6, then I think you are right on saying..they wont address it again.....

Also think they do take some sort of CB somewhere down the line....but like you said...I doubt it will be at 6

also I think somewhere they take a young OL..Breno..might be gone next year...Winters/Oboushi are mediocre..Colon is old.....and Brick might have too a prohibitive salary after this year...

a lot of this depends on if they make any trades to get other picks.....
 

NickSINYC

Veteran
Jet Fanatics
JMHO I think all this Heisman talk is silly and after this year one or both of the top QBs will put an end to it. Time will tell.
 

Superman55

Franchise Tagged
Jet Fanatics
I don't agree with any of Sarge picks.

3 positions we won't draft after 6

Center
Kicker
Punter

If I had to pick more - TE, FB, and S

I believe the Jets will take a CB in this draft.
 

NickSINYC

Veteran
Jet Fanatics
I believe Maccagnan has shown so that he is totally rebuilding this team in his and Bowles image so I do no think any position is off limits in any round.
 

Jet Fan RI

Pro Bowl 1st Team
Jet Fanatics
In all fairness, if Bradford wasn't an egg back there, he might have had a real shot to be a great QB. I think Newton still has a legit chance. It's not a lot, but that's what I got.

Sounds a lot like the apologists for Carson Palmer who all seem to say he was on his way to being great, until he wasn't.

I can agree with one thing about that. He wasn't, and isn't, great.
 

Jet Fan RI

Pro Bowl 1st Team
Jet Fanatics
Not to speak for RI, but I'd agree if he's saying winning the Heisman can lead to an overvaluation of a player, which in turn leads to less than expected results more often than not.

However, I do not agree that the trophy has some "Brady Bunch totem curse" that dooms all winners to future bustdom . . .

Please carefully review what I have said on this topic. Never have I mentioned a curse, or any other hocus pocus, when it comes to Heisman QB failures. My arguments are based purely on history, not mysticism.
 

Jet Fan RI

Pro Bowl 1st Team
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JMHO I think all this Heisman talk is silly and after this year one or both of the top QBs will put an end to it. Time will tell.

I really hate the "silly" argument, which is itself, well, silly. We have some 50 years of history to go on that Heisman QB's will bust in the NFL. Let's try to confine the discussion to why the past 50 years of history or so can't be used to predict the likelihood that the next Heisman QB won't be a bust, OK? Instead of just saying the historical argument is silly. Personally, I think ignoring 50 years of history is silly. Now, can we drop the "silly" argument and just stick to the facts?
 

TebowCan'tThrow

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The problem I have is if Mariota was so good then there is no way Tennessee trades away the opportunity to pick him. We traded up for a QB and that worked out horribly and hurt our depth. Same thing would happen here. If he falls to us then maybe we take him, but not one draft pick should be traded to get Mariota.
 
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