Big Petty supporters

[Mainejet]

I agree, if we happen to land a TOP 5 Pick nothing will stop us from draft a Jones or Hackenberg if we are in a position to take a blue-chip QB prospect of that caliber regardless of how Mac and Bowles feel about Petty's potential.

But that said, I'll be shocked and bitterly disappointed if this team is in a position to draft that caliber of QB next year. I look at this roster now, and the relatively weak schedule we've been dealt, and IMO anything less than 10 WINS for this team is underachieving.

So I think the real question is, will be make the necessary and costly trades to go up and get that caliber of QB next year, and thats where I think the evaluation of Petty's progress comes into play. If the braintrust feels reasonably confident that Petty is the future, they won't feel burdened to make the kind of trade thats required to move up for a franchise QB, but if they are not sold on Petty, they might, because until you find a QB you are just spinning your wheels.

The NFL is a QB driven league and the Jets do not have one.

Is there anything else to say? Does that about cover it?

With our current compliment (if you call it that) of QB's I CANNOT see this team winning more than 7 games. I understand you are looking at the truly GREAT defense the Jets should be fielding this season and that is true IMO.

But I think you may be underestimating Fitz and Geno's abilities to f*ck up a perfectly good game? How many did YOU see Geno take a dumb sack that took the Jets out of scoring range? How many games did you see Geno personally lose the game for the Jets? namely multiple interception games? How often did you see Geno successfully go through progressions and complete a pass? Because I can't recall it happening EVER.

Fitz has worn out his welcome every single place he has ever played. Giving up costly interceptions with the game on the line.

For me, these guys will find a way to give the game to the opponent more often than not.

So no matter how well our defense plays our offense will need to man up and score points and our running game will not be able to sustain us alone.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

I understand you are looking at the truly GREAT defense the Jets should be fielding this season and that is true IMO.

But I think you may be underestimating Fitz and Geno's abilities to f*ck up a perfectly good game?

LOL I can't argue with that.

Thats why I've qualified every positive prediction I've made for 2015 with ... "provided the QB doesn't stink"

 

[lounap23]

Bottom line is this.... Petty has all the physical attributes you look for in a QB. The one and only knock on him is the fact that he ran a spread offense in College. The difference between Him and Mariota is running ability. Size, arm, smarts and production is very similar. The other thing is this Petty might have the best throwing motion out of all the QB's in this draft class.

His knock is all about taking snaps from under center and being able to read defenses at the line of scrimmage.

Hack and Cook have everything Petty has but the big advantage over Petty is that they have is they run Pro-style offenses. The take snaps from under center, they show the ability to read defenses at the line of scrimmage and call audibles. If Petty can show that he can do that well over the next year, no reason to even consider a QB next year.

If he can't and his development is taking longer and we are in a position to draft one of those guys we might have to.

My gut says Petty will be fine. Not even a thought about a QB next year... We got our guy!!

 

[OCCH]

The NFL is a QB driven league and the Jets do not have one.

Is there anything else to say? Does that about cover it?

With our current compliment (if you call it that) of QB's I CANNOT see this team winning more than 7 games. I understand you are looking at the truly GREAT defense the Jets should be fielding this season and that is true IMO.

But I think you may be underestimating Fitz and Geno's abilities to f*ck up a perfectly good game? How many did YOU see Geno take a dumb sack that took the Jets out of scoring range? How many games did you see Geno personally lose the game for the Jets? namely multiple interception games? How often did you see Geno successfully go through progressions and complete a pass? Because I can't recall it happening EVER.

Fitz has worn out his welcome every single place he has ever played. Giving up costly interceptions with the game on the line.

For me, these guys will find a way to give the game to the opponent more often than not.

So no matter how well our defense plays our offense will need to man up and score points and our running game will not be able to sustain us alone.

Do you have any specific examples of this?

All I know about Fitzpatrick is he proved unable to live up to a big-money contract -- he's not a guy who can carry a team on his back. But I look at his stats and see a guy who is consistently over 60% completion rate, with more TDs than TOs. Yes he was benched last year, but the team was 6-6 at the time -- they didn't exactly implode with him at the helm. I don't know what talent he was surrounded with, but I doubt it was much more than he'll have here, and we know he had relative success in Gailey's scheme.

I'm not arguing with you -- I never followed the guy's career enough to care. But this idea that he'll be the reason this team won't play productive football? I just don't see it . . .

 

[ucrenegade]

Do you have any specific examples of this?

All I know about Fitzpatrick is he proved unable to live up to a big-money contract -- he's not a guy who can carry a team on his back. But I look at his stats and see a guy who is consistently over 60% completion rate, with more TDs than TOs. Yes he was benched last year, but the team was 6-6 at the time -- they didn't exactly implode with him at the helm. I don't know what talent he was surrounded with, but I doubt it was much more than he'll have here, and we know he had relative success in Gailey's scheme.

I'm not arguing with you -- I never followed the guy's career enough to care. But this idea that he'll be the reason this team won't play productive football? I just don't see it . . .

he was benched because they wanted to see what their new toy mallet had figuring he was the future then he gets injured fitz comes back in and lights it up for a few games including the 6 td game.

 

[USANYJ]

you know who you are. I admit I know a little about him but didn't scout him much thought we had a real shot at mariotta.

In your opinion do you think the petty draft prevents us from looking at cook and hack next draft?

how does petty stack up against those two because I admit I really really really really like hack

I'm in your shoes...I'm a big ten guy and huge psu supporter. I love hackenberg, he was running for his life this year so his numbers went down, but he has all the tools. Honestly think with a good year he will be touted as an Andrew luck like can't miss guy. Cook has solid ability as well. I personally would be happy to get either. In fact, I was thinking of ways to get an extra one next year to use to help trade up to get them, hackenberg more so. I'm looking forward to camp and preseason to see more of petty. But if hack is there next year and we don't try to get him, I'd be pretty pissed

 

[Superman55]

Im not a Petty supporter beyond having him as the #3 QB in the draft...does that make me a supporter?

In your opinion do you think the petty draft prevents us from looking at cook and hack next draft? The real answer is no way. The Jets will scout Hack and Cook no matter what, right? Even if Petty steps in like Foles and rips off a streak, you still scout the hell out of next year's QBs. Jets may pass as other positions fall in their lap like a stud olineman. But I think the Jets will scout next years QBs heavy, even if Geno is the one that turns us around. Next years QB's will have 2-3 NFL pro style offense prospects that people will talk about like Matt Ryan, Phillip Rivers, and Big Ben. Jets may feel positive about their converted spread QBs, but if they have a shot at one of these more pro ready QBs...they better feel 100% sold on Petty or Geno to pass on the next Matt Ryan. This young defense with a Matt Ryan like prospect would be in contention for a minute.

how does petty stack up against those two because I admit I really really really really like hack

Body, build, arm, throwing motion, and brain, he has it. He scored the highest at the combine in memory retention. Gil Brandt described this cool psychological study that studies memory retention. He was top of the draft class. He's real smart. His offense makes him extremely raw. But he's a guy that I think can be like Foles. I dont know what you think about Foles, but similar arm strength, mobility, and attack down field QB.

Jon Gruden, for what's its worth, really liked him. I think patience is the key with him.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000476322/article/jon-gruden-bryce-petty-might-have-the-best-arm-talent-in-draft

Cons: watch the video in the above link. All the throws are down the field, arm motion is quick and compact, and the ball gets there. Petty the thrower has at least Derek Carr skill sets. But on teh film, his brain is way behind. Look how he stares down WRs and never is making second or third reads. No passing progressions. Evand on a play action pass, he is looking at his WRs and never even turns to carry out the fake he's staring at the WR so hard. Definitely a one read system...and only 5 snaps in college under center. Needs to learn taking snaps and working through his drops. The entire motion is different.

Geno's Smith's up hill battle is in front of Petty, but his football IQ is highly regarded in this class. I think like Foles you have to wait 1.5 years or so, but would the Jets pass on a more likely franchise prospect? I wouldn't. two young QBs isn't a bad thing to have. I bet Titans fans are excited to see how their two fight it out.

 

[SackExchange]

Unless you have Andrew Luck, no way can you not look at a franchise QB if he's available. The draft of Petty doesn't change a thing about next draft.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

Unless you have Andrew Luck, no way can you not look at a franchise QB if he's available. The draft of Petty doesn't change a thing about next draft.

Agreed, but as I said earlier, I don't expect this team to have a TOP 10 Pick next year much less TOP 5 or TOP 3, this roster is too stacked and our schedule is too soft, so if we're drafting a blue-chip QB in next years draft (Jones, Hack or Cook), it would probably cost us a fortune to go up and get that guy, and thats where Petty's development does make a difference. If Mack & Bowles like the way he is coming along, they are are unlikely to trade a kings ransom to move up for an elite QB prospect, but if they don't like the way he's coming along and Geno shows no real improvement either, then they might trade Wilkerson and picks, whatever it takes to get their franchise QB.

Ideally we win 10+ Games, Geno plays well, Petty shows promise, and we don't have to trade the ranch.

 

[SackExchange]

Agreed, but as I said earlier, I don't expect this team to have a TOP 10 Pick next year much less TOP 5 or TOP 3, this roster is too stacked and our schedule is too soft, so if we're drafting a blue-chip QB in next years draft (Jones, Hack or Cook), it would probably cost us a fortune to go up and get that guy, and thats where Petty's development does make a difference. If Mack & Bowles like the way he is coming along, they are are likely to trade a kings ransom to move up for an elite QB prospect, but if they don't like the way he's coming along and Geno shows no real improvement either, then they might trade Wilkerson and picks, whatever it takes to get their franchise QB.

Could not agree more.

Would you sign on right now for Fitzpatrick's numbers from last year?

Slightly above 2:1 TD/INT ratio.
Completion percentage above 63%
Passer rating above 95

To me, that production with this defense and these RBs makes this a VERY competitive team for a playoff spot.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

Could not agree more.

Would you sign on right now for Fitzpatrick's numbers from last year?

Slightly above 2:1 TD/INT ratio.
Completion percentage above 63%
Passer rating above 95

To me, that production with this defense and these RBs makes this a VERY competitive team for a playoff spot.

That would be a good thing for this year and I'll enjoy winning as much as the next guy, but IMO Fitzpatrick is not the long-tern solution, we need one of these young guys to develop into a quality starter if not a franchise QB, whether its Geno or Petty. I know Petty is not playing a down this year, nor should he, but I'd like to find out for certain, one way or the other, if Geno gives us a future or its time to cut bait. If he gets a chance this year and he stinks, then I would make the switch to Fitzpatrick and Geno is OFF THE TEAM next year.

But let me say this, Geno is on a short leash, I'm not letting him wreck the season before we make a switch.

He better win the opener verses Cleveland for starters, otherwise his leash will last all of one game.

 

[SackExchange]

That would be a good thing for this year and I'll enjoy winning as much as the next guy, but IMO Fitzpatrick is not the long-tern solution, we need one of these young guys to develop into a quality starter if not a franchise QB, whether its Geno or Petty. I know Petty is not playing a down this year, not should he, but I'd like to find out for certain, one way or the other, if Geno gives us a future or its time to cut bait.

Fitzpatrick is not the long-term solution, but he can help you win now until you figure out what you have in both Petty and Geno.

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

Fitzpatrick is not the long-term solution, but he can help you win now until you figure out what you have in both Petty and Geno.

See what I added to my last post, sack. We can't see if Geno has made any improvements if we don't play him, but his leash is short, there's no way I would let him wreck the season with a team as good as this one on paper, and HE BETTER start by beating Cleveland. If he loses that game in our home opener, the Geno experiment is OVER in my mind.

 

[jetfandreamer]

Only in our dreams..this is the QB we would cherish next year

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qsGHAEUwvRc

 

[SackExchange]

See what I added to my last post, sack. We can't see if Geno has made any improvements if we don't play him, but his leash is short, there's no way I would let him wreck the season with a team as good as this one on paper, and HE BETTER start by beating Cleveland. If he loses that game in our home opener, the Geno experiment is OVER in my mind.

Let him beat out Fitzpatrick. If he doesn't, does it matter what he can do in games?

 

[OCCH]

I have no problem "giving up the ranch" if one of these guys really are Luck-like . . .

 

[Green Jets & Ham]

Let him beat out Fitzpatrick. If he doesn't, does it matter what he can do in games?

Obviously if Geno stinks in the preseason there's no point in even starting the season with him as the starter, but all things being equal I would prefer to give him one last chance to take this job and play like an NFL QB, but again, the grooming days are over ... ABC ... ALWAYS BE CLOSING ... he's going game by game, and as the man said in the video, its F**K OR WALK time ... WIN GAMES, starting with the opener, or take your set of steak knives and hit the bricks.

 

[sg3]

Hopefully, Petty is developed and ready to.take over the helm from Fitzpatrick in 16 after Fitzpatrick rights the QB ship this season after the last four straight seasons of turnover filled sh*tfests Jet fans have had to endure.

 

[jets82]

Were talking all this scouting for rookie QBs next year when that may not even be a possibility. With the team they have build this year, all we need is very good pass and run protection and decent QB play and this team can win 10-11 games easy. If this is the case, they should at least be a wild-card team and won't have shot at any of these rookie QBs. Mac and Bowles have build the team the right way and in doing that, we have a contending team this year. Lead by our defense and running game.

Our o-line has gotten stronger and decent QB at least from any QB and this team can contend this year. All these QBs your talking about sound like top 10, maybe even top 5 picks. Jets play ball this year the way I think they can play ball and we won't have a shot at them. Besides, I feel good about this Petty kid. Give him a full year to learn the pro-style game and I believe we have a gamer here people. Everyone seems to be real high on him. They say he just needs to sit and learn a year or two and he will be ready. If he's ready before then, then so be it but I feel good about this kid. I think we may have drafted our future QB.

 

[Superman55]

Were talking all this scouting for rookie QBs next year when that may not even be a possibility. With the team they have build this year, all we need is very good pass and run protection and decent QB play and this team can win 10-11 games easy. If this is the case, they should at least be a wild-card team and won't have shot at any of these rookie QBs. Mac and Bowles have build the team the right way and in doing that, we have a contending team this year. Lead by our defense and running game.

Our o-line has gotten stronger and decent QB at least from any QB and this team can contend this year. All these QBs your talking about sound like top 10, maybe even top 5 picks. Jets play ball this year the way I think they can play ball and we won't have a shot at them. Besides, I feel good about this Petty kid. Give him a full year to learn the pro-style game and I believe we have a gamer here people. Everyone seems to be real high on him. They say he just needs to sit and learn a year or two and he will be ready. If he's ready before then, then so be it but I feel good about this kid. I think we may have drafted our future QB.

your statements around the oline...I dont know if they are true. You're saying all we need is good run and pass blocking (every team in the NFL can say that) and our oline has gotten stronger.

Well, Mangold, Brick, and Breno are a year older...so I would actually say they have gotten worse. Carpenter may be an upgrade to Aboushi...but Aboushi likely replaces Colon...so we have upgraded 1 oline spot, Colon for Carpenter ultimately, and Aboushi may be better this year than last year (with more eperience I am sure he has improved)...but Brick's play has slipped each of the last 3 years and is on track to slip again, Breno is amongst the worst RTs in football, and Mangold is a year older...

I dont know that we can clearly state what our oline play will look like this season, IMO.