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If we hadn't taken Williams at 6 (or if Washington had taken him at 5), I would have preferred getting OL over Kevin White, even if it would have been viewed as a reach . . .
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If we hadn't taken Williams at 6 (or if Washington had taken him at 5), I would have preferred getting OL over Kevin White, even if it would have been viewed as a reach . . .
If we have a plus 10 TO differential we win ten games..maybe more.....I just want a QB not to sabotage the team w TO's in our own territory especially....with this defense...whoever qb's has to know that to have to punt is a good play
If our oline cant block anyone to help our run game and prevent our QBs from getting killed (both Vick and Geno took a beating last year)...+10 wont help. I think it all starts up front. Even Geno looks good with time to throw...but Breno cant get beat like a rug by players like Werner for the Colts who isn't active in the play-offs but rings him up for 2.5 sacks in a quarter...
I hear you and you may be right. I hope your wrong but you may be right. I believe our o-line will be good enough to hold the fort. We'll see, time will tell.
I was with you until this post.
If you're saying Geno was hurt by the OL play, I'd argue the exact opposite -- that our OL had to do more than necessary because of our incompetence behind center. They'd have to block longer (because he didn't get rid of the ball) and they'd have to deal with more aggressive attacks because the defense didn't fear what Geno would counter with.
I'm not saying our OL is a strength -- I've always placed OL at the top of my priority list. But I think our OL will look better than expected with someone competent running the offense, and my fingers are crossed that Fitz (or miraculously Geno) can do that this year . . .
We'll have to agree to disagree.
Geno was the QB year 1 and year 2; however, i would argue Mangold, Colon, and Brick were all better Geno's rookie year than 2nd year, Breno was a step down from Howard (a huge step down...like putting you at RT), and Aboushi was the only step up from the year before with Winters...every offensive line position was worse last year than the year before...regardless of the name taking the snap.
This upcoming season, as I stated above, Mangold, brick, and Brena all to get worse, both OG spots hopefully get better...again, regardless of QB, just overall play...we're worse at both OT spots and C than last year or the year before that...
What can make this oline better is better play calling. Maybe Gaily will call more run plays and quick read pass plays that gets the ball out of the QBs hands faster.
Oh, and maybe we have an OC that knows how to call a screen pass and design one well. We havent had an OC be able to do that since....Paul hacket or Dan Hennings maybe? Scary.
Oh, and maybe we have an OC that knows how to call a screen pass and design one well. We havent had an OC be able to do that since....Paul hacket or Dan Hennings maybe? Scary.
I don't think you understand my point. I'm not saying our OL will BE better this year (from a talent perspective), I'm saying they'll LOOK better (or PRODUCE better) if our QB has a clue what he's doing.
Otherwise, why did Geno's stats (relatively) improve year 2? If the OL was worse, you would have expected his stats to be worse, no? But there's SO much room for improvement from the QB position that if we can reach a level of competence (BIG if), a lot of the OL's shortcomings are likely to be hidden/negated.
I'd LOVE to have an OL as strong as our DL, but we don't. And I agree that a strong OL could hide the QB's weaknesses (better than WRs can IMO). But the less weaknesses the QB has, the less the OL will be asked to cover for him . . .
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It was definitely the OL, WR, TE, RB, FB and OCs fault that the Jet offense sucked the last 2 (4) seasons dragging us down to 12-20 for 2 seasons. Everyone else on offense is blameless
These statements about D'brick's regression are a gross exaggeration. Although he's not in his peak years, when he was pro-bowl worthy, he still a good LT. He played well last season. But the "Brick's a year older, Brick's play is slipping" commentary gains steam simply because one or two people say it here. It's not true. He and Mangold are still the backbone of the line, and will be for several more years.
And I'm not saying that because he happens to be my screen name.
And I'm not saying that because he happens to be my screen name.
But even you agree he's falling from where he once was, which is usually when the good teams start planning replacements.
As much as I fear this Harrison kid's lack of love for the game, it does appear he could become an heir apparent if he decides to dedicate himself to his craft . . .
we wont be successful long term unless we get that "guy". if you have to give up the ranch in a rg3 like deal to get your guy you do it. but you better be right and he better be the next coming. 2016 draft is going to make this drafts qbs look like pop warner guys. If the jets aren't convinced about petty then getting one of hackenberg or cook is a must, preferably hackenberg.
Like someone said earlier, hack was a projected 1st rounder out of high school, he looks the part in college. He is going to be praised highly next march and april
Like someone said earlier, hack was a projected 1st rounder out of high school, he looks the part in college. He is going to be praised highly next march and april
I've not been a supporter of Petty.....but at the same time not a detractor..sort of. I've preached against Mariota due to the spread offense, but this is a case where the Jets didn't reach. They did what I wanted - take a QB to develop. So we sit back now and hope in the next 18 months he learns fast.
I can't say how wrong this is...this is a homer post.
in 2012 PFF ranked Ferguson the 13th best OT in football, last year they rated him 43 out of 72...anyone who says he hasn't slipped isnt paying attention.
interesting you mention PFF. according to them, our line wasn't that bad (13th, up from 26th the prior year), especially in pass protection, and they seemed to like giaco
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/01/08/2014-pff-offensive-line-rankings/3/
13. New York Jets (26th)
Pass Blocking Ranking: 8th, Run Blocking Ranking: 19th, Penalties Ranking: 23rd
Stud: The leader of this group, Nick Mangold, was back to his best this year and topped our center rankings before going down hurt.
Dud: Brian Winters earned his benching with a terrible -15.3 grade on only 381 snaps.
Breakdown: They got better when Oday Aboushi moved into the lineup. The move to bring in Breno Giacomini was a moderate success with him holding down the right side without being a liability. However, as a whole, the group gave whoever was behind center ample time to miss their targets.
I read that too. I felt the oline was way better with Aboushi and still think he can be a long term solution (I know some have doubt).
I was pissed they gave Breno any credit, he was worthless.
I agree with Brick in that Mangold and Brick should be "the least of our worries," but I disagree that their play isn't slipping. It is, naturally. They are the least of my worries in that they are better than everyone else...but Im guess they have 2 maybe 3 seasons until they are out of the league, IMO.
I think I agreed that Nick and Brick aren't in their prime. But why do they have to be? They're both still good players. All I'm saying is that they both can be starters for another two to three years. Yes, draft a tackle to groom next year. That would be smart to have in place when that time comes. But for now, Brick is a solid starter.
Well, no disrespect, but your argument was their game is not declining as much as implied...but Brick went from top 15 to bottom half of the league for all tackles...that's a big drop off in 2 seasons, IMO.
Now, can scheme, better decision making by the QB, and Carpenter between him and Mangold help him out? of course. But my point that he has declined isnt just me saying it, as you stated, its the guys who evaluates OTs for a living...
It's still convenient that you use a certain grading system to bash Brick, but conveniently ignore that the same method says we had a good OL last year, and Breno wasn't a disaster . . .