This is the season we find out re: Geno
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Lakerfan80
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The Jets let it be known a couple months back that Geno would be the starter going into camp. I knew when the team drafted Petty there would be those that want a QB competition..many of the same that wanted one last year when Boyd was drafted.
Geno is probably the most ready QB we have on this roster. He has played and sucked for two years. Lets look at the main reasons why. He was thrust into the starting role his rookie year, but was hurt for most of TC. He has had some of the worst offensive talent in the league for two years with a below average aging OL. Last year they brought in a decent WR who will be in his proper spot as a second option after Marshall. They drafted a fast WR to take the top of the defense. The OL will probably be marginally better. The biggest reason for Geno failing is the coaching staff was beyond awful from the top down. A young player needs a CS that can teach a QB decision making and hold him accountable when he doesn't make progress. The CS must also tailor the offense to the QB's strengths. And they must surround him with talent. The RB's are better this year. The OL might be better. The WR's are much better. More importantly the CS is better.
I personally don't care who the QB is. I just want a guy who can cut down on TO's and let this defense win games. We haven't had that in many years since Chad. If we had Chad with this defense, then we might when a SB this year. I'm trusting that Chan who has turned Kordell Stewart and Ryan Fitzpatrick into a QB. They had way less potential than Geno. This CS is so much better for a young QB. Hopefully Petty turns into something in a year or two, but I'm still rooting for Geno as long as he is starting QB of the Jets. I will say I will cringe every time he drops back until he proves to have a grasp of being a consistent starting QB.
I personally don't care who the QB is. I just want a guy who can cut down on TO's and let this defense win games. We haven't had that in many years since Chad. If we had Chad with this defense, then we might when a SB this year. I'm trusting that Chan who has turned Kordell Stewart and Ryan Fitzpatrick into a QB. They had way less potential than Geno. This CS is so much better for a young QB. Hopefully Petty turns into something in a year or two, but I'm still rooting for Geno as long as he is starting QB of the Jets. I will say I will cringe every time he drops back until he proves to have a grasp of being a consistent starting QB.
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I admit I was one of those guys clinging to those types of posts -- willing to believe ANYTHING that suggested our long-term answer at QB was already on our roster. Personally, I have no desire to make the same mistake three years later.
Would I like to see Geno succeed? OF COURSE! But I am truly amazed at how many fans are apparently expecting it to happen . . .
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Lakerfan80
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I'm truly amazed at the number of poster hoping for a next Tom Brady and that the it'll be the Jets who land him. I'm amazed at all the fans thinking petty will be that guy when history suggest one of us has a good of chance as he does at becoming a long time starting QB
I can respect several views on Geno Smith, both pro and con. What I cannot accept is the view that he's complete garbage and hasn't shown anything in two years with the exception of one game. To me, that's using revisionist history to bolster a specific stance on a player. I also refuse to be painted with a broad brush as a "Geno lover" or "Idzik apologist" or any other weak attempt at trying to define me, simply because I defend one of them from excessive criticism. Disagreeing with a poster gets you branded by him as the complete opposite extreme. It's a fallacy.
Sometimes, things aren't so black and white.
Sometimes, things aren't so black and white.
Maybe one of us board members does not have as good a chance. But recently I looked over the records of first-round non-Heisman QB 1st-round selections since the merger, and 80% of them do not become franchise QB's. The Heisman QB 1st-round selections fail at an even higher rate than that.
Aghhhh we are doomed.
Lakerfan is right though. Petty was available in round 4 for a reason.
This is completely fair, but it also works both ways. I've already been branded a Geno-hater, but I guarantee you won't find ONE post where I speak of him in a derogatory manner or make ridiculous negative comments about him.
Truth is, for every example you point to as proof of Geno's "potential", there are MULTIPLE examples that would seem to contradict it.
I don't mind fans who would rather focus on the former, but it doesn't mean the latter doesn't exist, or that it isn't likely to rear its ugly head again moving forward . . .
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We need a starting QB who can manage a game, understand the playbook, and avoid crushing things like picks, pick sixes, fumbles and backward runs for sacks when in scoring position. Neither Buttfumble (2011 and 12) nor Smith (2013 and 14) have shown the slightest evidence of being that guy.
I'm glad Smith was announced as the "for now starter" yesterday. It will give Bowles and Maccagnan a first hand close up look at Geno being Geno and make it easy to see what anyone with eyes has seen the last two seasons--NOT the answer.
Ryan Fitzpatrick will definitely be the starter when the regular season starts.
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I'm glad Smith was announced as the "for now starter" yesterday. It will give Bowles and Maccagnan a first hand close up look at Geno being Geno and make it easy to see what anyone with eyes has seen the last two seasons--NOT the answer.
Ryan Fitzpatrick will definitely be the starter when the regular season starts.
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ucrenegade
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If any oc can turn geno into a decent qb it is gailey and chip Kelly. Well we only have one of those guys I am not a geno fan at all hated the pick but you will see a improvement under gailey. The issue will be has he learned enough to hold off Fitzpatrick when he is ready to come back? Athletically geno can run circles around Fitzpatrick.
I don't know if Geno is going to take the next step or not. Watching him for two years, and we've discussed this so many times - he's been one thing, inconsistent. He shows the physical skills to play in the NFL. I don't think anyone would argue that point. He has a very strong arm, shows good mobility, is a good runner, and makes throws with touch and with velocity when he needs to gun it. His accuracy is inconsistent, but he hasn't exactly been working with Rice and Taylor, especially his first year. That was the worst receiving corps in the league. His biggest problem is decision-making and protecting the football. And that's a big problem. If he can significantly improve on that, he has a chance. And this year, he has a good receiving corps. All of these guys can play. If he doesn't figure it out, then he's a career backup. But, I agree with Gailey that there is enough talent there to work with and see if he progresses. If he doesn't, then the Jets will move on to Ryan Fitzpatrick this season.
As far as Petty is concerned, I think it's similar situation. Petty has all the physical tools, you can see that easily. Very good arm, mobile, big, strong, stands in the pocket, throws with touch and velocity. His accuracy is good, not great. He's smart and a leader. But he has never been in a pro system and his decision-making is probably not very good at this point.
I see Petty the same as Geno, a guy that has a chance to become a good NFL QB. Other than Andrew Luck, there have been no sure things to come out in the draft in many years. So taking a guy with talent and the physical and athletic ability to play the position is what you do. You hope he develops. If not, you try again.
As far as Petty is concerned, I think it's similar situation. Petty has all the physical tools, you can see that easily. Very good arm, mobile, big, strong, stands in the pocket, throws with touch and velocity. His accuracy is good, not great. He's smart and a leader. But he has never been in a pro system and his decision-making is probably not very good at this point.
I see Petty the same as Geno, a guy that has a chance to become a good NFL QB. Other than Andrew Luck, there have been no sure things to come out in the draft in many years. So taking a guy with talent and the physical and athletic ability to play the position is what you do. You hope he develops. If not, you try again.
Sometimes those reason are not always true or experts make mistakes i.e. Brady or Russell. Right system/coaches and right personnel make as much of a difference as anything.
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ucrenegade
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This given the oc now I think will make geno better.
The good thing is we have the right OC for Geno and if not we have the right OC for Fitzpatrick.
Not exactly doomed, but finding a franchise QB can take a while. Although to be without one for as long as the Jets have been seems pretty unusual. Even assuming 80% of 1st-round QB's will fail, if you spend your 1st-round pick on a QB for 3 years in a row, you have a 50% chance of getting a franchise guy. If you do it 5 years in a row, there's a 70% chance you'll get one. Now, there's no need to spend the picks in a row. But if 5 times you use a 1st-round pick on a QB, thre's a 70% chance you'll have your man.
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Lakerfan80
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http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2014/nfl-draft-round-round-quarterback-data
This goes back 20 years and yes the 1st round picks have a high bust rate, are often picked more, and have a much greater chance of becoming a great to HOF player...it was hyperbole that I was using but the 'best' 4th rounder in the last 20 years is quite possibility David Garrard..we may have just a good of chance to be a long time starter as those on that list...oh and the 2nd round has been a better place to find talent than the 4th and beyond.
10 years on the Jet board and i remember alot of those names when draft time came around...nothing since.
This goes back 20 years and yes the 1st round picks have a high bust rate, are often picked more, and have a much greater chance of becoming a great to HOF player...it was hyperbole that I was using but the 'best' 4th rounder in the last 20 years is quite possibility David Garrard..we may have just a good of chance to be a long time starter as those on that list...oh and the 2nd round has been a better place to find talent than the 4th and beyond.
10 years on the Jet board and i remember alot of those names when draft time came around...nothing since.
Hopefully Geno's mistakes have helped him grow. I know it doesn't help the confidence of fans, but we have one known average QB, one rookie and one guy in year 3 with all the weapons and CS to help him be successful. Geno is the best option of those 3.
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Lakerfan80
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I actually think a healthy Fritz is the best option for this team this season but Geno will get chance to keep his job.