This is the season we find out re: Geno
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Geno hasn't given much reason for people to understand this but hopefully by the end of this season, they will. Don't know if its the Sanchez effect or people just honestly don't see what some of us see but a lot of people just don't want to give him a chance. Its all on him now and he has no more excuses.
Weapons all over the place offensively, should be a decent offensive line and a killer defense. Not to mention a GM that knows what the hell he's doing and a coaching staff that appears to be A+. If he can't make something positive and consistent happen this year, he won't period and he will lose every Jets fan support I'm guessing, including me.
I think he'll be servicable. I think he'll be in the 15-18 range and if he's closer to 15, we'll be in wild card talks. If he's closer to 20, we'll look like the 2007 Vikings that had an awesome defense but Tavaris Jackson at QB leading them to 8-8. Let's hope for a play-off run.
The main thing....and pretty much the only thing .....which is more than half the battle..is to not turn the ball over, either through ints or fumbles....thats all I ask of him for now....just run the offense..throw the ball away or take a sack..and I know last year he took some ill advised sacks which took them out of FG territory in cpl games..but he will learn the difference....with their defense a punt is a good play...if he cuts down the turnovers in half....we make playoffs...
55 and Dreamer, both of you are making very valid points. As long as Geno is serviceable or a little better this year, our team is playoff bound. Baring any serious injuries. If he can play the way I think he can, he will hold his own and help this team to 10 wins at the least. He plays a little better or if the defense wins more games and we are a 11-12 win team. Not saying Geno will have a pro-bowl year, I'm not delusional to that fact but he will hold his own. I believe he is smart enough to have learned from his mistakes his first two years. Also getting his brains beat in literally and emotionally should have toughened and smartened him up. This team, coaching and management is ten times (if not more) better then his first two years so he has no more excuses. I think he will make good of this and our beloved Jets will compete hard and be a wild-card team at the least.
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Besides it supporting my optimism about Geno, what I like about this move is that is shows that the leadership of this team is building for the long term. It would be very easy to bow to the fans and media and adopt a win-now strategy and have Fitz - assuming he's healthy - be the starter and try to manage us into a playoff spot. But Bowles and Macc are focusing on how good the team can and will be not just for this year, but the next year and the year after that and etc... They want to see if they have a franchise QB in Geno.. This is a perfectly sound and reasonable way to BUILD this team IMO. He is entering his 3rd year as a starter and this is the year he needs to show what he's got. They are giving him every opportunity and if he fails, they know without any hesitation or doubt that he is not the Jets QB of the future. So, they move on, with Petty and whoever else they pick up/draft in 2016.
Make no mistake. I am confident that they believe they will be competitive this year, but they don't look at this year as make or break. They are looking long term and that is a refreshing change.
Make no mistake. I am confident that they believe they will be competitive this year, but they don't look at this year as make or break. They are looking long term and that is a refreshing change.
Agreed!
One thing that puzzles me: there seems to be a fairly large contingent here that think Fitz will be OK because he's with Gailey again - does Gailey's QB mojo only work on Fitz and the few it's worked on in the past? Why wouldn't he be able to get the most out of Geno in the same way? If you look at Fitz' numbers without Gailey, as we are with Geno, you wouldn't be anointing him anything. I'm willing to see what happens with Geno and Gailey, I think it's worth the risk, and the reps.
And regarding Petty, he's going to get very few reps, I wouldn't expect him to see much action this year, even in a lost season. If Geno and Fitz go down we'll most likely be shopping for a starter IMO.
And regarding Petty, he's going to get very few reps, I wouldn't expect him to see much action this year, even in a lost season. If Geno and Fitz go down we'll most likely be shopping for a starter IMO.
I don't mean to single you out, I'm just using your post to ask a question:
Why does THIS YEAR determine "once and for all" if Geno is the answer? It's only his first year in the system, isn't it? His first year with many of these weapons, and perhaps an OL that could use an upgrade? How do we know this year isn't setting us up for his REAL breakout season in 2016? He'll only be 25, so maybe THAT'S the year that it all comes together?
I'm not trying to be argumentative, but if we're going to make "valid" excuses for the past two years, I don't see why they all magically expire in 2015 .. .
Franchise QBs can make any system work IMO. They can make players better and carry a team pretty much. Most franchise QBs have it immediately but VERY VERY VERY few develop into that. I can think of Romo, Breez, Flacco, Wilson, McNabb, Bradshaw or Big Ben for example, seems like they grow into a franchise QBs. Whereas guys like Luck, Brady, Newton, Marino, P. Manning, Montana and Elway have always had it. So can someone like Geno or Petty develop into a franchise guy, only time will tell.
I think the third year is when these excuses expire. He has good weapons now and is a veteran. His learning curve won't be as steep because he now only has to focus on learning the new system. No longer has to worry about learning to take snaps under center, learning the speed of the game and the little things in between. We'll know if he has turned the corner of he has limited the mental mistakes. No more fumbling at inopportune time bc of dumb things like putting the ball behind his back, no more taking bad sacks. If he just takes what the defense gives him, I'll be happy. We have a very solid team on offense (barring any injuries to mangold and Marshall) which I think makes this his last season to put up or shut up.
If you look at Fitz's stats without Gailey, I think you'll still see a pretty major difference between them and what Geno has produced so far.
That doesn't mean Gailey can't maximize Geno's potential -- we just have no idea where that maximum level lies . . .
Fitz had a 58 QBR in his rookie year in 4 games, 4TD 8INT. A goose egg in his sophomore season, he saw action in only 1 game.
Geno's not off to a good start, and this year is make or break - I agree with that. But I think the staggering difference in hope/optimism for Fitz vs. Geno is unwarranted. I agree, we know who Fitz is, but I don't see that as a positive.
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Since it would be upsetting to interrupt this exultant meeting of the Geno fan club, all 3 or 4 of them atwitter with excitement about him being named the all important May starting QB for minicamp and the start of TC, I will instead sit back and watch as they congratulate each other on their acumen and wait until the start of the season when Ryan Fitzpatrick begins the Jets 2015 run to the playoffs
I was looking at his first two years of experience. Whether Geno should have sat or not, that boat has sailed. If you compare both player's production on the field when given opportunity, Fitz has proven to do more than Geno has thus far.
I agree Fitz's stats aren't encouraging, but they're still numbers Geno can only dream about.
If this is the year his dream comes true, awesome. But I wish people (not necessarily you) would stop acting like he's already reached a level that he's actually come nowhere near yet . . .
Good post.
I just don't know how realistic it is to think the light will just "turn on".
If a kid gets a 25% on a test and DOUBLES his score on a retest, he still got a 50%, so he still failed.
Are we content with Geno getting a 50%? Are we simply looking for improvement, even if that improvement doesn't result in wins? Because I think that scenario is VERY possible, given the poor level we're using to seeing him play at.
Hopefully I'm wrong, but I don't think this whole "make or break year" is as clear cut as many are making it out to be . . .
If my thinking in your theory is correct that Geno was 25% year one and moved up to 50% in year two then think of the where he can be in year three. Were not talking about where he will be in year three with the same team from last year with minimum improvement again this year. Rex Ryan and the rest of the coaches he had last year and Idzik as the GM. Were talking about this team he has this year, with Bowles and his gang coaching and Mac putting this team together as he has. So lets give him another 25% for instance, that will mean he is at 75% by the end of year three. I would say that is not bad and can definitely help lead us to a 10 win season at the least.
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I think that Elias and Jets82 responded as well if not better than I could to your post. Although, I suppose you could be right that he might not "breakout" to use your word until after next year. I should have said it was make or break to see if they have something in him or not as opposed to the all or nothing scenario I wrote.
I will say that your sentence "How do we know this year isn't setting us up for his REAL breakout season in 2016? He'll only be 25, so maybe THAT'S the year that it all comes together?" makes me think you might be a possible "GENO homer" after all!!!! :smiley-dance017: